Mesa Garden T pachanoi

[Gunter]

I planted 500 seeds of MG's T. pachanoi a while back and the plants look like T. peruvianus, or at least peruvianoid.

Might anyone know where the seeds were collected?

Are they similar to T. pachanoi 'North Peru'?

Are they open pollinated or?

They have a tremendous amount of variation in the population, very desirable and beautiful plants, I wish I knew more about their origins.

[Salvi]

How old are they? I believe when they're young seedlings, they tend to look more like peruvianus.

[teonanacatl]

yeah when young they have big spines for their size but these stop growing.

[Gunter]

The larger ones are about 6 inches tall and 2 inches wide, a bit more than two seasons old.

Some spines are rather long and stout, though none more than an inch thus far. The thing is the extreme variation.

T. pachanoi 'North Peru" has long spines doesn't it?

Might it be the case that as that some plants are called short spined peruvianus, there could be long spined pachanoi?

[spunwhirllin]

I've noticed the exact same thing in regards to MG seed.

both pach and peru seeds were sown at the same time,now 3/4 yrs. later they look identical,pach may even display longer spines.

they're now fat and about 4 to 8 in. tall.

[woof woof woof]

The Pachanoi seedlings I have are furry. Most patchanoi should not have long spines. Most patchanoi's I have seen do not have long spines, but very short,at first galce almost unnoticable.