eccles Posted February 24, 2002 I thought I'd compile and maintain a list of the new names for all the plants previously belonging to the genus Trichocereus. I only have info on 12 so far, but I am hoping to add to this when I get time to sit down and work on it (at home). I'd be grateful for any additions (including the reference). Here is what I have so far: Trichocereus arboricola Echinopsis arboricola http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...arboricola.html Trichocereus pasacana Echinopsis atacamensis spp. Pasacana http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...s_pasacana.html Trichocereus candicans Echinopsis candicans http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac..._candicans.html Trichocereus chilensis Echinopsis chiloensis http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...s_borealis.html Trichocereus huascha Echinopsis huascha http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...is_huascha.html Trichocereus grandiflorus Echinopsis huascha http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...is_huascha.html Trichocereus pachanoi Echinopsis pachanoi http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...s_pachanoi.html Trichocereus peruvianus Echinopsis pachanoi http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...s_pachanoi.html Trichocereus spachianus Echinopsis spachiana http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...spachianus.html Trichocereus terscheckii Echinopsis terscheckii http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...erscheckii.html Trichocereus thelegonus Echinopsis thelegona http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...thelegonus.html Trichocereus validus Echinopsis valida http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cac...us_validus.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eccles Posted February 24, 2002 ok, that came out looking a bit of a mess... Trichocereus arboricola Echinopsis arboricola Trichocereus pasacana Echinopsis atacamensis spp. Pasacana Trichocereus candicans Echinopsis candicans Trichocereus chilensis Echinopsis chiloensis Trichocereus huascha Echinopsis huascha Trichocereus grandiflorus Echinopsis huascha Trichocereus pachanoi Echinopsis pachanoi Trichocereus peruvianus Echinopsis pachanoi Trichocereus spachianus Echinopsis spachiana Trichocereus terscheckii Echinopsis terscheckii Trichocereus thelegonus Echinopsis thelegona Trichocereus validus Echinopsis valida Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eccles Posted February 24, 2002 ARGH! well you get the idea. if anyone is interested I'll put the info up on a webpage... gotta start getting some good resources going for people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted February 24, 2002 I won't question the majority of these off the cuff, as they appear correct and I would need to look over my own resources, but I will in regards to E. peruviana (T. peruvianus) being synonymous with E. pachanoi (T. pachanoi). I would question Desert Tropicals source for their stating the two are synonymous. They have clearly been seperated in the past and even in the most recent tome on the subject, Anderson's The Cactus Family. E. peruviana has been clearly seen as coming from Matucana, Peru, while E. pachanois original range is no longer known due to its relations with man. Don't forget T. bridgesii becoming E. lageniformis. There are quite a few other T. to E. as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eccles Posted February 24, 2002 thanks for the addition and the comments! if you feel like adding some more then that would be wonderful! I don't know what source they used, but the guy from the Cactus Garage in Victoria also told me that pachanoi and peruvianus are now classed as E. pachanoi. That book that you mentioned was actually mentioned by him in an email to me... I will go into it further to find out. could he have a later addition? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted February 25, 2002 There's a long list in the CITES Cactaceae Checklist 2nd edition, but it will take me a little while to find the time to type it out, so i'll post that in a day or two. The other one I would question above is that they seem to have made both T. huascha and T. grandiflorus synonymous as Echinopsis huascha. I don't have much hands on experience with these two but I was under the impression they are distinct species, even though the T. grandiflorus/Helianthocereus grandiflorus/Lobivia grandiflora thing is a bit confusing. MS or anyone else have comments on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted February 25, 2002 Check out http://www.troutsnotes.com and particularly http://trout.yage.net/sc/Trichocereus_List_1.htm "More than you need to know" for sure. Let me look into something and I will come back on that huascha/grandiflorus question. Doesn't sound right to me as I have both and they are quite distinct from each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eccles Posted February 25, 2002 wow! what an incredible site! I am a bit out of my depth here. I have lots to learn and lots to get exposed to. (and many more cacti I'd love to grow). It's a real shame that none of the links to albums.photopoint.com worked... is this usual? I am willing to donate webspace if neccisary to host images or whatever... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted February 26, 2002 Yeah, I know what you mean about being out of your depth. I've been a grower of Trichocereus since 1992 or so and I still don't have the catogorizing and research skills for hard facts that K. Trout does. He is truly a wonder. And to think that his ability here carries over to all other reputable entheogenic plants. I'm not to sure of why the links don't work. I also wasn't unable to get into his PhotoPoint site which has more pictures than you would believe, but I will ask him about it. In the meantime check out my own Yahoo Group which contains many interesting pictures. You can find the pictures in the "Messages" section and can use the search function from the Home Page. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EntheogenImages Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted February 26, 2002 Apparently Photopoint closed up shop and disappeared, without notifying their customers. I found this out from Trout after wondering for a month or so why I couldn't get to my photopoint page. Particularly annoying because early last year they charged for the service for the first time, Trout and myself both dutifully paid up, and we still had several months left that we'd paid for, when this happened. Fortunately the photopoint copies weren't the only copies I had. It's a shame you missed Trout's page, he had so many great photos up. I used to sit all night looking through the photos and still not get even half-way through. Drool material! This is the CITES listing for the Trichocereus -> Echinopsis shifts - T. angelesii - E. angelesiae T. antezanae - E. antezanae T. arboricola - E. arboricola T. bertramianus - E. bertramiana T. bridgesii - E. lageniformis T. bruchii - E. bruchii T. cabrerae - E. x cabrerae [sp.?] T. callianthus - E. sp. T. camarguensis - E. camarguensis T. candicans - E. candicans T. catamarcensis - E. huascha T. caulescens [illegal name] - E. sp. T. cephalomacrostibas - E. cephalomacrostibas T. chalaensis - E. chalaensis T. chiloensis - E. chiloensis T. chuquisacanus [illegal name] - E. sp. T. clavatus - E. clavatus T. conaconensis - E. conaconensis T. coquimbanus - E. coquimbana T. courantii - E. candicans T. crassicostatus [illegal name] - E. sp. T. cuzcoensis - E. cuzcoensis T. deserticola - E. deserticola T. eremophilus - E. atacamensis ssp. pasacana T. escayachensis - E. escayachensis T. fabrisii - E. fabrisii T. fascicularis - Werberbauerocereus weberbaueri T. formosus - E. formosa T. fulvilanus - E. deserticola T. glaucus - E. glauca T. grandiflorus - E. huascha T. grandis - E. bruchii T. herzogianus - E. tarijensis ssp. herzogianus T. huascha - E. huascha T. ingens - E. bruchii T. knuthianus - E. knuthiana T. korethroides - E. korethroides T. lamprochlorus - E. lamprochlora T. litoralis - E. litoralis T. lobivioides - E. huascha T. macrogonus - E. macrogona T. manguinii - E. schickendantzii T. narvaecensis - ?E. tarijensis T. neolamprochlorus - E. candicans T. nigripilis - E. sp. T. orurensis - ?E. ferox T. pachanoi - E. pachanoi T. pasacana - E. atacamensis ssp. pasacana T. peruvianus - E. peruviana ssp. peruviana T. poco - E. tarijensis T. pseudocandicans [illegal name] - E. candicans T. puquiensis - E. peruviana ssp. puquiensis T. quadratiumbonatus - E. quadratiumbonatus T. randallii - E. formosa T. riomizquensis [illegal name] - E. sp. T. rivierei - E. atacamensis ssp. pasacana T. rowleyi - E. huascha T. rubinghianus [illegal name] - E. thelegonoides T. santaensis - E. santaensis T. santiaguensis - E. spachiana T. schickendantzii - E. schickendantzii T. schoenii - E. schoenii T. scopulicola - E. scopulicola T. serenanus - E. coquimbana T. schaferi - E. schickendantzii T. skottsbergii - E. slottsbergii T. smrzianus - E. smrziana T. spachianus - E. spachiana T. spinibarbis - E. spinibarbis T. strigosus - E. strigosa T. tacaquirensis - E. tacaquirensis T. tacnaensis - E. peruviana ssp. peruviana T. taquimbalensis - E. tacaquirensis ssp. taquimbalensis T. taratensis - E. taratensis T. tarijensis - E. tarijensis T. tarmaensis - E. tarmaensis T. tenuispinus - E. bridgesii T. terscheckii - E. terscheckii T. terscheckioides - E. sp. T. thelegonoides - E. thelegonoides T. thelegonus - E. thelegona T. torataensis - E. peruviana ssp. peruviana T. totorensis - E. tarijensis ssp. totorensis T. trichosus - E. trichosa T. tulhuayacensis - E. tulhuayacensis T. tunariensis - E. tunariensis T. uyupampensis - E. uyupampensis T. validus - ?E. uyupampensis T. vasquezii - E. vasquezii T. vatteri - E. vatteri T. volcanensis - E. schickendantzii T. vollianus - E. volliana T. walteri - E. walteri T. werdermannianus - E. terscheckii There are a few I would question on that list, for example werdermannianus = terscheckii. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woof woof woof Posted March 2, 2002 v.glaucus kk 336 ...... Can anyone tell me about the alkaloid profile of this cactus...? I am placing an order.... And want to know if I really want this trichcereus. Zanks! B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted March 3, 2002 It does not appear that this plant (Echinopsis glauca) has ever received a formal alkaloid analysis. But don't let this keep you from getting this nice plant. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woof woof woof Posted March 4, 2002 . T.glaucus is a var from T.peruvianus Ms Smith, what can you tell me of Trichocerues Glaucus? What is V< Glaucus.... are t and v glaucus different cacti??? Trying to find out if it is a TypO... or that they are indeed TWO DIFFERENT SPECIES. pre thanks Brian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted March 4, 2002 Certainly they are two quite different species. If you go to my Yahoogroup you can put "gluacus" in the home pages search and find a picture or two I posted there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EntheogenImages Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
