Pachanoi "Etienne"

Bretloth · November 27, 2011

Got a Pachanoi "Etienne" that i've had for a few years which comes from the Fremantle public gardens via Funky Fungus, and is supposed to be 'probably' the ordinary pc pach according to the owner of Funky Fungus. Not sure myself, but anyway looks to be a good match for the typical short spined pach getting around but now the older growth has started producing long spines. According to Britton and Roses description of pachanoi "spines often wanting, when present few, 3 to 7, unequal, the longest 1 to 2 cm. long, dark yellow to brown" it seems a good match to me. And the bloody thing has never flowered, never flowered for the owner of FF either and I believe pc flowers readily? Would love to hear peoples thoughts on if this pach is pc or whether it's bonifide pach. Cheers

Edited November 28, 2011 by Bretloth

C_T · November 27, 2011

can't see unrealistic long spines for the heat/light condition? just my 2 cents, far from an expert...

TommyChesnutt · November 27, 2011

maybe it's a PC cross?

those spines are a little different, but the rest of the specimen is similiar.

shruman · November 27, 2011

I have one that came from SAB around 2001-2 I do'nt remember Torsten having clone names on his plants back then, I think I remeber just buying it as pachanoi along with bridgesii & a cordobensis. Anyway this one has always appeared a little different, slightly longer spines only just noticeable & usualy more spines per areole & has a general overall different 'feel' but it also produces these signafacantly longer spines very much like in your pics, just measured the longest one I could find on my plant & it was 22mm long compared to the 5mm to 10mm length of most others.

The longer spines are always secondary spines apearing on the lower older sections of the plant.

I remember a Walien had a post here were they rescued parts of a big pach from land that was to be redevloped?, an abandoned houseblock anyway & the lower parts had the same long spines. None of my other pachs in the same/similiar conditions do it.

Tis a mystery.

Bretloth · November 27, 2011

Cheers for the replies guys! Much appreciatted. The long spines are best depicted in the last pic for those looking. It seems to have aspects of both pc and actual pach, but also seems something different. I don't know. Enjoyable mental masterbation none the less lol. I'll take more pics tommorrow showing the different aspects on the plant, morphs a bit. Would be nice to get to the bottom of it.

Edited November 27, 2011 by Bretloth

M S Smith · November 27, 2011

Bretioth, that's a nice plant! I think I agree with hunnicutt about it being a pc cross. Those pups are a dead giveaway as a pc of sorts, but that tip throws it off as a pure PC if you ask me.

Here's an average T. pachanoi plant showing some fearsome spines towards the base.

~Michael~

Edited November 27, 2011 by M S Smith

Bretloth · November 28, 2011

Cheers Michael! So I guess it's safe to say it's not pc, albiet pc aligned. Got this info off the owner of FF ~ "Is ex fremantle community gardens 2001, which is ex a guy called Etienne, who had it for 12 years. He'd gotten it from South australia from and old lady who said she'd gotten them from a collector who got it from south america", bit of a mystery, doubt I'll be able to track down any more info as "Etienne" is now dead I believe. Here's some more pics showing the different aspects.