theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted July 16, 2011 Hey guys. Wierdest wrong place wrong time ever for me today. I live in an industrial area and slept in til about midday. When I drove out to get coffee me and my girl noticed that every street was sectioned off and cops everywhere... we were then pulled over and notified by 2 detectives we were in a crime scene as a young kid was abducted... they now have all out personal info, work, phone, addresses etc and what we were doing. Without telling us anything they sent us on our way... My concerns are, are we suspects or were they just collecting info for their reports etc... I just want to know if to expect a visit or whatnot as they told us absolutely no more than I've shared here... anybody had a similar experience? Thanks guys, D00d Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bℓσωηG Posted July 16, 2011 theyll hack your computer next ... and watch all your homemade porn flicks , ( just doin their job) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alice Posted July 16, 2011 If you were a suspect they probably wouldn't have sent you on your way. More likely they got your details so they could ask you something later, for example maybe you saw someone or heard something which could be useful to the investigation, maybe you didn't even realise it was important etc etc. If it was my kid that went missing I'd hope the cops did there jobs properly and talked to every single person near the crimescene area. I realise it's a bit unnerving and no-one ever likes having all there details recorded especially without much explaination, but if a kid really had been abducted then what else can you do but help? You never know, you may have seen a parked car or something that puts the abductor at the crimescene and is crucial evidence that nails the bastard. Or something. But yeah, I probably would have my house in a state where if I had an unexpected knock at the door then I could quickly stash anything dodgy looking (bongs etc), because they may just pop in to ask you more questions that might help their investigation. I had a friend some years ago who got randomly door knock by the cops because some investigation unrelated to him. Billy and bowl on the table, flat wreaked of cannabis smoke etc. Cops just said we don't care about that, we just want to ask you if you heard anything etc. No doubt would be different if there was a pound of bud on the table, but you get the point. Bottom line is, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted July 16, 2011 Thanks Alice, oh we do understand re the kid and investigation, more or less as you said a bit unnerved and wondering as to what may happen up the track! Thanks again, we've got nothing to hide if they come anyways ill even show em thru the cacti collection hehe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faustus Posted July 16, 2011 in the central names index, there will be a record that you and your girl were questioned by detectives over the abduction of a child. the next time the police look up your name, e.g. over a routine traffic stop, the way they treat you may be influenced by this information. record of you being questioned, but not arrested for a serious crime = potentially big invisible stain again your name. and yes, i speak from experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted July 16, 2011 in the central names index, there will be a record that you and your girl were questioned by detectives over the abduction of a child. the next time the police look up your name, e.g. over a routine traffic stop, the way they treat you may be influenced by this information. record of you being questioned, but not arrested for a serious crime = potentially big invisible stain again your name. and yes, i speak from experience. this is what I was worried about, very big grey area that scares me tbh... I have a clean record, and work in management full time. my problem is I rock a mowhawk, 25yr old leather jacket and chunky docs... my image with the central names index places me straight to the doubt category as a few friends told me (no experience just how they believed it to be also). No point sounding as if I never knew the system would actually work against me Is there anything one can do in this situation, or just keep on truckin' and doin good? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faustus Posted July 16, 2011 Is there anything one can do in this situation, or just keep on truckin' and doin good? apply under the freedom of information act to be given everything that's written in the CNI about you. you'll know you're really fuct if they decline to give you the information on the grounds that it "may prejudice current or future investigations against you" ... either that, or they refuse to give it to everyone. my suggestion is to enjoy the paranoia of expecting to get searched every time you get pulled over by the cops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7baz Posted July 16, 2011 take them to court and have the record deleted. its all bs... i have never been charged.. arrested nor caught with any drugs in my entire life... i dont even have a criminal record for any involvement nor crimes nor offenses to do with drugs. yet everytime i have ever been question by police they some how try to associate me with the word drugs ??? why ??? because i know from my past they ( the police ) have put some kind of memo against my name.. possible drug involvemtn etc etc blah blah.. you get the idea. next time there is a abduction in your area watch how fast your name appears on a suspect list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sallubrious Posted July 16, 2011 take them to court and have the record deleted. its all bs... i have never been charged.. arrested nor caught with any drugs in my entire life... i dont even have a criminal record for any involvement nor crimes nor offenses to do with drugs. yet everytime i have ever been question by police they some how try to associate me with the word drugs ??? why ??? because i know from my past they ( the police ) have put some kind of memo against my name.. possible drug involvemtn etc etc blah blah.. you get the idea. next time there is a abduction in your area watch how fast your name appears on a suspect list. That's the problem with the CNI, you can't get the access to the information (unless you know a crooked cop) or have it deleted. Your name will most likely be associated any similar cases that come up in the future automatically. That's not say you will be implicated, but if other factors from other information sources can place you in the area of a similar situation you could get a knock on the door. Dear Mr YYYYYYY, Thank you for your letter regarding the "Central Name Index". We advise, firstly, that we are unable to provide you with legal advice. We can, however, try to provide you with some General Advice regarding what we know as the Central Name Index (CNI) and the information about you that you say is stored on this Index. It is our understanding that a CNI number is assigned to a person who interacts in some way with NSW Police, for example, a person reporting a crime or seeking police assistance would be assigned a CNI number and their details would be stores on a database. We suggest that you contact NSW Police for more information how how the CNI works, and in what circumstances a CNI would be assigned to a person. We do not know how or if a person's details may be expunged from Police records. We suspect that they cannot. We advise that we do not know who 'owns' the data on the CNI, nor do we know of the name of the computer server that this is information is held on. Again, we suggest that you contact NSW Police to obtain this information. NSW Police are exempt from complying with the Information Protection Principles in the Privacy Information Protection Act 1998 (NSW), under section 27. We are not aware, in recent memory, of any complaints about the CNI being brough to Privacy NSW, and thus, have not had cause to investigate the Police in relation to their handling of personal information contained within the CNI. If you have experienced any problems as a result of your information being available on the CNI, for example, if you believe someone has improperly used this information, then please write to me with a complaint and we will try to assist you. If you have any quieries, please contact Deborah Caminiti at Privacy NSW on (02) 8688-8585. Yours Sincerely, Philippa O'Dowd, Acting Privacy Commissioner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted July 16, 2011 Thanks for all your replys guys, man we are getting like the US with stuff like this... SallyD, thanks for the letter, I guess you still haven't been given the information? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sallubrious Posted July 17, 2011 Thanks for all your replys guys, man we are getting like the US with stuff like this... SallyD, thanks for the letter, I guess you still haven't been given the information? It's funny you say that we are getting like the US, the NSA has files on everyone, criminal or not. They mine databases and build profiles on everyone and anyone, no matter where you live. Data storage is so cheap now that they can keeps records of everything they can access forever. I can't see ASIO or the AFP being much different. That letter wasn't addressed to me, I got that off a website when I looked into the CNI a while ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted July 17, 2011 ah ok, still very usefull thank you! yes it is very worrying what innocent people are being recorded as, I feel part of the fail comes from these police officers/detectives being given personal discretion. I dont know how you are meant to monitor somebody's irrational or skewed views, especially a cops..! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabaelthazar Posted July 18, 2011 From my experience, being questioned for a crime you had nothing to do with doesn't have any lasting issues. I was a "suspect" in the Gary Silk/Rod Miller murders in the late nineties because I'd had an accident in my car which left me with a big spiderweb crack that I couldn't afford to fix. Some helpful neighbour called the police and advised that there was a man with a bullet hole in his windscreen living in their street and the next thing I know, I'm entertaining two detectives in my living room being asked a bunch of questions about a double cop murder. It was pretty obvious that I had nothing to do with the crime (had plenty of evidence explaining why my windscreen was cracked) and the detectives were really good about the whole thing, but my statement would have been kept on record. That incident has not once been brought up in an interaction with the police since nor have I been treated unfairly in any way. I wouldn't worry too much about it, thed00dabides. Your mohawk is more likely to get you hassled. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted July 19, 2011 thanks alot Rabaelthazar. yeh she does get me noticed, but not harassed... in saying that a coppa threatened to taser me about 1 and a half years ago after ignoring a 'move on notice' (he refused to right the notice ) itll be interesting moving forward thats for sure! thanks for everyones input its really appreciated!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
