tripsis Posted January 25, 2010 Has anyone ever made kougoed or perfromed an extract from Aptenia cordifolia? My girlfriend has a large patch growing in her yard. It contains mesembrine alkaloids, in appreciable quanitites, as demonstrated in this article (although I've only read the abstract). Any first hand information would be appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) *shameless plug for Snu's Garden of Eden - buy it if you haven't yet* I had a play with it and got a tiny bit of black oil which was interesting but not worth the effort IMO. Think planthelper found that DCM or chloroform was really needed to get the actives out in an AB, I didn't find DCM pulled much at all. I think I remember planthelper playing with it and posting some good details, maybe see if you can find his posts in the pharm and chem forum. "Aptenia cordifolia is used by Zulu healers in S. Africa as one of their important medicinal plants. The leaves may be infused to relieve sore throat and perspiration; the herb is also anxiolytic, and acts as an antiinflammatory when applied externally.Interestingly, a black powder prepared from the plant is reputedly endowed with magical properties, and used to protect agains sorcery (Van Wyk & Gericke 2000, Van Wyk et al. 1997) Prepared in the same manner as Sceletium spp., this common and attractive ornamental plant has been found to have similar effect to S. tortuosum, but is of lower potency (pers. comms.)... Aptenia cordifolia may contain significant levels of mesembrine-type alkaloids, as compared to other Aizoaceae, though still only 13.6% of the levels found in Sceletium tortuosum. Mesembrine [c. 9.7% of the extract], 4'-O-demethylmesembranol [c. 14.4% of extract] and three unidentified compounds were observed; 2 of these, comprising c.4.8% of the extract, appear to be indoles (Smith, M.T. et. al. 1998)" Edited January 25, 2010 by Alchemica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted January 25, 2010 Why didn't I look there first? I guess I wasn't at home when I made this thread... Hmm, 13.6% of the levels in S. tortuosum is pretty poor. I'll go read Snu's book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted January 27, 2010 http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1833&st=0 http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2024&view=&hl=sceletium&fromsearch=1 the 2nd link is fractals work, i could not find my own extraction report, anyway you need chloroform, nothing else will pull proper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted January 27, 2010 Thanks for the links PH. Where and how does one acquire chloroform? Would ether work in its place? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted January 28, 2010 ether would not work much. chloroform you can buy/order from the pharmacy, it's expensive stuff, 250ml is enough for the job. avoid the fumes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yeti101 Posted January 18, 2011 Apparently it's edible - https://secure.diggersgardenclub.com.au/p-517-baby-sun-rose.aspx That would indicate a low(ish) level of oxalates (maybe)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alice Posted January 18, 2011 Yes most definitely edible, great in salads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
occidentalis Posted January 18, 2011 I did a Aptenia extraction with Fractal years ago We used DCM as I recall and produced a yellow oil, which was smoked with no effect other than a headache. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yeti101 Posted January 20, 2011 Tasty though, thanks Alice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
