Diplopterys cab

[mauve]

Baphomet, the pics in your links aren't pictures of Chaliponga but P.Viridis (Chacruna).

[baphomet]

Which ones do you think are P. viridis? As you said links (plural) I am assuming you meant both.. are you sure?

Icaro's DNA may have made a typo and looking back at it, those photo's do look a lot like viridis but..

Click HERE and go to "Collecting Diplopterys cabrerana Iquitos-Loreto-Peru December 2002".

As for the second link.. are you sure P.viridis has RED flowers? The only time I have seen a plant labeled as P.viridis with red flowers was on biopark and I think it was a mistake, I started a thread about it.

I would not be surprised if not all the photo's are of diplopterys but I would be surprised if they were all P.viridis, then again, I'm no expert.

A question that needs to be asked is.. Do any of these plants look like the ones that Alan Shoemaker is growing?

Edited November 3, 2008 by baphomet

[shoemaker]

Baphomet, the "Collecting Diplo Cab. Iquitos 2002" photos? Resembles chaliponga but I don't think it is. .. but I'll get the plant specialist at the University here to take a look and get back. Hey, I'd love to wrong as we all want it to flower, right?

[baphomet]

Yes that would be great, thank you very much.

[mutant]

mauve, which pics do you mean? the icarus link? heck, my plant in propably not this, that is psychotria

Well there are also some itnerestin points here about when, and where and how often plants 'choose' to set seed..

I will update my pics in the other thread tonight

Edited November 3, 2008 by mutant

[baphomet]

A picture of a friends cutting OS .

Edited November 3, 2008 by baphomet

[mauve]

Mutant, i was speaking about the pictures on the Icaro's dna pages.

Baphomet, if you look closely you'll notice that those bushes aren't vines. D.C is a vine.

It looks like a sister of Caapi and shares many caracteristics, it even has the "rope" aspect when mature. In cultivation it does looks like a bush.

P.Viridis leaves have a waxy feeling, D.C leaves have a "leathery" one. They are totally different plants.

The last pic you posted (the cutting) could be a Diplopterys C.

Diplopterys Cabrerana:

Psychotria Viridis:

Unfortunately, all the cuttings i took of this Diplo never rooted

[Torsten]

Baphomet, if you look closely you'll notice that those bushes aren't vines. D.C is a vine.

Diplo appears to be rather bushy in any pics I've seen. It is often free standing and doesn't seem to put out long 'grabs' like caapi.

Alan, could you confirm what Diplo looks like in comparison to caapi? Is it as twiney/viney? Can you also please just check the pic I posted to confirm that it is DC?

[mauve]

What i could observe (on just one mature specimen) it looked like a Caapi who had nothing to climb on: entvined on itself. Then there are straight shoots starting from the main rope; it looks like a vine with straight branches. Unique ! It is visible on the two pics i posted.

But it's true that i don't know if it would climb on something...so maybe it is just "vine-like" rather than vine...?

Edited November 4, 2008 by mauve

[shoemaker]

Mauve,

In your photo above, post #82, that's b. caapi. (first photo shown in the group.)

Edited November 6, 2008 by shoemaker

[mauve]

Well let's say ...i disagree. They were many Caapi plants in differents stages in this garden and i am sure this is not Caapi.

It really looks like Ayahuasca but the growth habits, texture, smell and perfume when burning dried leaves were very different.

Edited November 6, 2008 by mauve

[Torsten]

Mauve,

In your photo above, post #82, that's b. caapi. (first photo shown in the group.)

I agree that this is unlikely to be Diplo. Neither the leaves nor the growth structure are anything like Diplo. Plenty of other species in those genera that it could be, but not Diplopterys cabrerana.

[mauve]

I am puzzled, then (and humbled lol)

[planthelper]

whilst we have alan still around...

one person i met said he has diplo aya and it only made him horny, and the facilitators, replied to it, "we call it dog ayahuasca" and rather hold it's value very low compared to aya brewed with viridis and caapi.

if this is true, i will naturaly not bother much trying to grow diplo.

so how does diplo brew compare to viridis?

[Nobun]

Plant helper'

there is no comparison between the experience of Chagrpanga and Chacruna'

Chacruna is very soft' comes on gently' sybtle colours' you would never get out fo your depth with Chacruna'

Chagropanga can take you completley' a poweful experience can be expected each time' It takes a lot of skill and working with' Chagropanga can be a hard task master for those that no listen' no very forgiving'

So the above comments' in my experience would seem to hold no substance' as to the effects only making you horney'

far from it'

"Blasted across your own known universe an then some is more like it"

The experience stands out on it's own amongst the light plants'

A most awesome plant teacher indeed'

Ez

Nobunoni +

[planthelper]

i allways found it strange that this person managed to engage into the act, after all one can't realy move much after consuming aya, anyway most definately was not a very strong brew.

cheers for your input nobun.