eccles Posted January 21, 2002 Hi there, I was wondering how similar this species is to cubensis when it comes to propagation? eg, would you be able to follow a rye grain procedure pretty much the same as for cubensis? The Greenhouse at Earthpod seems to be offering the only spores around atm and they are not cubensis, so I thought I'd better find out before ordering them. I do have cubensis prints, but as I made them myself and have never used them I am not certain about how 'clean' they are. So if anyone could tell me how easy these are compared to cubensis, and whether they are more suceptible to contams, or take longer then the info'd be most welcome! Or perhaps someone would be willing to part with some spores? or even prepare a spore syringe? (for trade or cash?) thanks [This message has been edited by eccles (edited 21 January 2002).] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eccles Posted January 21, 2002 Also, does anyone have any suggestions about syringes? I have some very small ones (with approx 1" needles on them) but I'd really like to try to find some bigger, more appropriate ones. I am also having probs finding jars (without contents). If I was doing the rice cake method I'd use allowrie jam jars, but I want ones with screw-on lids. (If I was going to grow them I'd try to follow pretty closely the mush-mush method). Thanks! [This message has been edited by eccles (edited 21 January 2002).] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rkundalini Posted January 22, 2002 Hello, unfortunately (for you) it is quite different to P. cubensis. It eats wood. This means that it would probably have to be fruited on woodchips, like you can read on the web for P. azurescens and P. cyanescens. I still haven't heard of anyone getting subaeruginosa to fruit but probably people have and just haven't made it widely known... most people seem to think treating it much like azurescens would work. Again unfortunately (for you), the best way to do that is to create an outdoor bed in spring, and wait til the next autumn/winter for the mushrooms... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted January 22, 2002 I can't remember where I read it but something along the same lines as what RK mentioned. Get a culture going which should'nt be too hard or illegal, then throw the culture out into a conveniently pre-prepared mulch bed (thus avoiding legal probs . I'd be happy to go and dig up several tanbark piles and send you ready made maedium, however I must state I don't condone growing these mushrooms. I am however happy to give you information including: the excact spp. of woodchip that is used, the approximate time of decomposition before fruiting occurs and any other information I feel relevant. I am convinced that in some gardens the tanbark is actually caring the mycelium before it is spread, maybe before puchase. AFOAF's creation story: Several years ago, in a local gardens there were several large piles of woodchips. It was pressumed that these were piles of woodchips from eucalypt species that were raped from virgin forrests not so far away. Anyhow, one nice day in Autumn I decided to run up and down in all of these piles of woodchips......well....cause face it, its just plain fun Coincidently earlier that day I had being excercising my leg muscles by kicking mushrooms which is also just plain fun, especially the ones that stain blue A year passed and another fine Autumn day arrived. I went to find the piles of woodchips to get my "jollies" and low and behold they were all gone On my walk home I was begining to feel sad, and then I saw some of the woodchips, only they had been spread out all over the place No sooner had I noticed the woodchips, I was kicking dozens of those blue staining shrooms. As a tradition I now go on an anual shroom kicking mission. Last season there were literally thousands of blue stumps where shrooms had once stood and my bluelegs are soooo strong too. [This message has been edited by Adrian (edited 22 January 2002).] [This message has been edited by Adrian (edited 22 January 2002).] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby Posted January 22, 2002 there is a brand of jam called bonne maman, it comes in the type of jars your'e after it used to be at franklins at marrickville metro, but that's woolworths now and i don't know any more ,maybe another franklins with a foreign food section, or definately any good deli, but you'd better like the jam$$$$ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterdragon Posted January 23, 2002 adrian - would you be good enough to put a sub growing tek with some specifics? ie something good enough to archive or print out for future reference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian Posted January 23, 2002 Love to WD. Its going to take a little while to get it togeter though and it will be pretty rough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reville Posted January 23, 2002 Go to www.mushmush.nl for good methods for growing any outdoor woodlover. fully illustrated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Saccharomyces Posted January 27, 2002 Originally posted by rkundalini:I still haven't heard of anyone getting subaeruginosa to fruit but probably people have and just haven't made it widely known... most people seem to think treating it much like azurescens would work. I haven't succeeded either, but one theory I am entertaining is that these things actually prefer light. Last season, I was horrified to find that my favourite pine forest had been logged during the Autumn. As it turned out, it was just as productive as ever, if not more so. Adding weight to this theory, I decided to take a look in the most mature, overgrown part of the forest. I initially thought that these would be optimal conditions, with more pine needle casing, more decomposed wood, and more chance for the spawn to have established itself, but there was almost nothing there except the odd Amanita. There was almost no light reaching the floor covering. Otherwise, as is well-known, a cold snap is required (in Adelaide terms, that seems to be a couple of 5C nights). The closest I have come to succeeding with home cultivation was quite by accident. Back in my ignorant past, I thought compost might be an appropriate growing medium. I was also experimenting with a number of different casings such as peat moss and vermiculite. At one point, I took it into my head to place a fibrous door-mat over the compost as a means of protecting the mycelium from the sun. I was suprised to see that the mat became colonised within 2 weeks in the winter outdoors, and was threatening to fruit. And then, because I still had this misconception that a casing was necessary, I took the mat off and replaced it with something else. And that was the end of the story Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jalien Posted February 6, 2002 i also have been trying to propogate the subs for a number of years but no fruiting as far as i know (a few years ago i sprayed the spores around auckland public bark gardens like crazy some of this may have taken) the current fantasy is mycelium threaded bark from locale where they grow vigorously mixed 50/50 with dry/damp cardboard (from a plain ripped up corrogated box nothing could be easier of cheaper to find) this mixture was then loosely piled in a clear plastic plant propogator & THE CARDBOARD WAS QUICKLY COLONISED (i had tried plastic bags prior with less success) a few weeks ago this mix was planted out in 1 metre cubed planter boxes each already containing a large plant mixed with decomposed mulch from native tree trimming i feel optimistic about some fruiting this season & think it would be phenomenal if some of the planter box colonies worked out i have notice that these babies fruit vigorously when they reach a solid boundary (as a way of reaching out beyond the existing web i imagine) so hope that planter boxes may prove efficient in this regard will keep you updated elftrance.com [This message has been edited by jalien (edited 05 February 2002).] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reville Posted February 6, 2002 http://www.shroomery.org/wwwthreads/showfl...&sb=5&o=&fpart= I really dont think that subs will prove to be hard at all. we just need to be using the best practices in suitable climates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites