khat self seeding

[Guest Monkey Shines]

Is the short leaved variety of khat self seeding?

[Guest reville]

Im curious.

Heres what ive found.

Seed thrown out as 'chaff' in a pot germinated well in june in perth. However the soil was fertile and moist.

The soil around the mature khat trees ive seen is the usual perth sandplain crap - water repellant, dirt poor.

*if* the plant was in good garden soil and *if* we had a warm winter combined with good soil moisture then i think this is highly likely as khat produces masses of flowers here

[Guest Monkey Shines]

There is a khat tree that is in rich garden soil with a huge amount of flowers, the garden was only cleared last year which would have prevented seedlings coming up before beacause the ground was entirely covered, so there might be some seedlings this year. Is there any easy way to collect the seed or would i have to pick them up from the ground? Most of the flowers are far up on the tree which is about 6m tall.

[Guest reville]

is this tree in hilton by chance?

[Guest Monkey Shines]

nah, so many khat trees around perth, what do the seed look like and how big are they?

[Guest reville]

Small rusty brown coloured seed with a papery wing that separates easily.

It is actually quite difficult to get all the seedd out of their capsules even when dry. Id suggest just taking all the trusses and putting them aina bag and drying then bashing it to dislodge the seed which will accumualte on the bottom

[planthelper]

i allways look for selfseedlings,

especialy under big trees, but all

there is... if you are lucky are

little plants produced by root-shoots.

try do dig up as much of its root

system as you can!

catha might self seed but not under the

umbrella of a big plant, look further

downhill where the water runs of...

those seedcapsules open and the winged

seeds could fly very far indeed before

resting somewhere and now only need

to get washed to an occasional wet

location.

try to climb, break down branches to get

those seeds, chances are slim you find

good seeds under a tree.

bye

[Ed Dunkel]

Planthelper, have you got any beautiful pictures of some of yours (or other's) big Catha trees?

[Guest Monkey Shines]

I can give you a picture of the tree if you want and if i can get this picture thing to work, not very good quality but I can take a better one.

sorry, cant get it to work

http://www.shaman-australis.com/~pic/Cosmic/cathaleaf.jpg

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[Guest reville]

so how do you post pictures?

i did a search and no result

i have a few nice ones

[coin]

if you wanna email pics to [email protected] i'll put them up

[jetblack]

testing...

[jetblack]

posting pics is:

[img~]http://www.blahblah.jpg/gif or whatever[/img]

without the ~ of course

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[jetblack]

but it doesn't work for geocities, tripod, etc

[coin]

to post pictures, if you don't have your own webspace

you need to get an FTP client, or perhaps find a free one on the web.

i dont know what's available, but i use cuteftp myself ... www.cuteftp.com

connect to server: www.shaman-australis.com

username: [email protected]

password: upload

posting pics is as jetblack showed above, but the address is www.shaman-australis.com/~pic

if it sounds confusing or if you need the images resized, etc, just email them to me..i check it every day, or every second day

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[coin]

here are Rev's Khat pictures -

Rev, the pedro pic didn't come through properly (the end was cut off).. it's a pretty big file, so i'll just link it ... here

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[Ed Dunkel]

Was this the "Mother Load" ?

The seedlings are showing the same leave shape and colour.

E D

[Guest reville]

Yes it was one of them - they all seem to be the same strain in Perth

Thanks heaps coin. You could dump that pedro pic and ill send you a smaller edition - i didnt realise id saved it as the original size.

[Ed Dunkel]

Did your elf try a taste and how did he find it?

E D

[Guest reville]

yup. just fine.Though ive been told that more was needed to experince the full sectrum of effects.

It is the mainstay of Perhhs somali, Jenyan and ethiopian poulation who appear out of the woodwork according to a tree-lopping friend hauling away the debris into their cars

[t st tantra]

rev,maybe you could try pollarding?

t s t .