can anyone id this

[in_spirit]

found a few of these at a mates, look good for what i dont know, do you???

Edited May 23, 2006 by evil

[Dirty Old Man]

Looks like some kind of datura to me. Don't know which one though.

[Rev]

nice find

please do keep an eye on it and post an equally good shot of the seedpod

its not D stramonium which is 90% of all datura youll find

which means its more interesting straight away

there is maybe a slight chance its D leichhardtii

which would be sweet as a few of us would like to add it to the collection

speaking of which im keen on a D meteloides plant, seeds or fat roots (as root cuttings) and D wrightii seed/plant in spring and ill swap either for a pedro cut

pm me if you are interested

to anyone considering growing datura ihighly reccomend the meteloides for its blooms, fragrance and hardiness

its a perrennial too

[apothecary]

My guess is evil came here suspecting a Datura

Dom is definitely right, no idea about the species ...

I love how they follow humans around

[Gunter]

Smooth leaf edges, what does the underside look like? A little bit fuzzy?

And the seed pods, how do they look and hang?

It seems to be close to wrightii ( I have seeds of that and stramonium) but seems to be a bit different as well.

[in_spirit]

Yeah you're right Apoth I did suspect Datura but I had no idea which one, the plant has a very strong pungent odor to it, my mate said he was going to chop them out and i told him no F%^#^# way , wait till it seeds for me!! I was going to transplant one into a pot but they look so healthy and they chose the spot they come up in... Any way as the photo shows the house is brand new and they are pretty much growing in a sand pit ] clay pit as no lawns yet Will post photos of seed caps asap..

[Happy Cadaver]

Datura inoxia

[Andrew]

Hi Darcy

I thought innoxia was a synonym for meteloides.

[Happy Cadaver]

Hi Andrew,

D. meteloides is a synonym of D. inoxia, check out this

[Happy Cadaver]

D. leichardtii has small flowers which don't open fully, so it's not that.

[Andrew]

Hi Andrew,

D. meteloides is a synonym of D. inoxia, check out this

Thanks darcy,I thought about this today and was

just about to say I made a mistake and the synonym for innoxia

is wrightii but your link showed I was right the first time though

it has been misapplied to wrightii before.I just looked at the pictures and to

me it looks to be 100% innoxia/meteloides going on acouple of plants that

i,ve been growing till this year when they died for some reason.I have seeds

if anyone is interested,Rev your welcome to some.There is a picture in

the brug and dat book by Ulrike and Hans-Georg Preissel,I think Darcy,that

you or mandragora has this book too.Great book if you like brugs and datura,s.

[Andrew]

please dont request the datura meteloides seed because I cant

find them,I had at least 50 - 100 seeds put away somewhere.

Oh well if I find them I,ll offer them again.All I could find was

some d.wrightii seeds from a few years ago and some stipa robusta

seeds from someone calling themselves

Shamans apprentice,seeds-information -plants.Lol.

[in_spirit]

I think Inoxia looking at this

[mescalito]

Yep definitely metel/innoxia.The leaves stink but the flowers are intoxicating

I've just harvested a huge plant and will have PLENTY of seed available.Just not now due to temporary personal constraints.

Rev, I've left the rootstock and one small limb in the ground so when I GMST!(soon ) I'll dig her up for ya.

[Gunter]

So then it looks a bit like D. wrightii, but lacks some of the lavender tones in the flower and doesn't have thick taproots that it comes back from in a perennial manner?

http://tomclothier.hort.net/album/dbluish.htm

Edited May 25, 2006 by Archaea

[Andrew]

So then it looks a bit like D. wrightii, but lacks some of the lavender tones in the flower and doesn't have thick taproots that it comes back from in a perennial manner?

The plants I grew that i was given as d.meteloides had taproots that they came back

from each year for about 4 years then died,probably from neglect on my part.The

flowers,to me,looked to be white,no lavender.

[mescalito]

I think you actually gave me the seed Andrew and the flowers were pure white.

[Gunter]

I am starting to wonder if there is some confusion over Datura species. I know I am confused.

http://www.brugmansia.dk/how_to_identify_datura.htm

It seems D. metel, D. inoxia and D. wrightii are very hard to tell apart.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_fastuosa.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_inoxia.shtml

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=DAWR2

Plant Synonyms:

Datura wrightii Regel

DAINQ Datura inoxia P. Mill. ssp. quinquecuspida (Torr.) Barcl.

DAMEQ Datura metel L. var. quinquecuspida Torr.

DAME2 Datura meteloides auct. p.p., non Dunal

Edited May 29, 2006 by Archaea

[apothecary]

I have many stories of postgrad students getting their horticulture postgrad work messed up by picking a D. innoxia to grow/study and then halfway through a taxonomist declares it's D. wrightii.

[Gunter]

What a fun headache!

I need to grow more datura, this much is obvious.

I am pretty sure the native one I grow is wrightii, and the non-native is stramonium.

I am thinking that a nice brug would be fun too.

If I am not breaking any laws i could see myself taking very small amounts for anti-emetic purposes.

[apothecary]

I hear smoking the dried flowers on the come up of a cactus experience is very nice, illegality has hindered my own experiments...

[Alice]

daturas and brugs are simply stunning plants, and should be grown regardless of whether they are intended for consumption or not :D

can't beat those flowers for a good show.

[Gunter]

No kidding those flowers are some of the best in the world!

[Happy Cadaver]

Check out the habit of D. inoxia versus D. wrightii, inoxia is much more upright with pure white flowers and wrightii is semiprostrate with the lavender tones u described, i think the pod shape maybe different too but haven't checked.

They certainly are a great ornamental

[Gunter]

Wrightii seems to have more of a fuzzy coating too, and is more cold tolerant than inoxia.

I did look at the ranges which is why I suspect that I can be confident I have wrightii.