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all i meant to say is that sometimes concept & symbolism are an important part of the trip & preparation, and we need not always be appealing to the logical mind..these journeys are often very much about taking ourselves past that, and the limitations so frequently imposed thereby...i am certainly not an animist...but if the symbolism of "marriage" was important to me, and i had no "tryptamine supply" problems, and the effects of the brew resulting from this preparation were not found to be subjectively inferior, then this confluence of factors would lead me as such, regardless of prudence & our more advanced understanding..fuck double blind studies also, by settling their differences..in a way i meant this as a cooking metaphor - one aspect of this is simply the way it cooks down.. if one cooks a bowl of rice, and also cooks a pot of soup..mixing the rice into the soup then eating this blend, is quite different to cooking the rice in the soup..the homogeneity of the latter preparation is much easier to digest. but heck, never mind maria sabina obviously had no idea about dosing procedures outside of the usual ritual she'd practised since childhood..because of the delayed psilocybin onset (due to a different vehicle of delivery), she was worried, confused & doubting..she may not have had a problem with the difference once hoffman upped her dosage (because of his inability to communicate the dynamics of the situation) but perhaps by saying "spirit" of the mushroom, she meant the essence..ie, the most predominantly active constituent. however, she also said other strange contradictory stuff, such as that the mushrooms would question & reprimand her if she didn't eat their "feet" (the dirty bottom bits)..i never read of her saying anything about the mushrooms being annoyed that this time she had forsaken their body.. [This message has been edited by coin (edited 04 August 2002).]

perhaps they also appreciate a possible metaphysical union or alchemical marriage that takes place.. also possibly the long, slow, cooking time allows the two plants & admixtures to "settle their differences" in the pot

hi mesq, i have some obtusifolia seed.. had em for a few years..dont know how long they are viable..? email me an address if you're interested.

in the past few weeks i've come across a couple of ppl who've just found out they've been underpaid for quite some time..in both cases they've been receiving award wage, but that of an award that had expired years ago..a lot of employers don't realise

TMC & GGMM are available in a lot of public libraries.

that's not a great idea besides, gnomes are sometimes known for their generosity, and give them away to the right people..err gnomes. seeing as this thread is "woodloving species", we can assume you meant "the golden oak mushroom", or another one so delicious it should be illegal.. if anyone has these dried shiitake, and some to share with Tlaloc, click his email.

thanks for sharing your observations rev..can really appreciate that & find it extremely interesting i've emailed ya herbmajik

Oh yeah! It gets me horny as hell. ahh, hence the quest for l-dopa (?)

i think generally, yes they have been stronger in the past.. eg up to 250ug as opposed to today's 80ug, or whatever and i think that this perception of speedy acid, etc, is mostly due to low doses...the initial effects of lsd are adrenergic. some people are just not oriented toward visual phenomena, though they may hit upon it once or a few times due to extraneous circumstances & dosage.. some speculate & bring in the 'breakdown chemicals' factor, to which effects such as body load & generally non-descript grunginess is attributed.. iso-lsd, etc..don't know anything about this

oh, i have chilli accidents pretty frequently..i never wear gloves...then you forget & rub your eyes, etc.. but i have to admit that i kinda like the watering eyes onion attack and the chilli sensation fizzles out quick enough (sambal oelek in the eyes does kinda make me wince tho), it does feel strange/uncomfortable under hot water with that indeterminate hot/cold feeling.. anyway, if you're going for the genitalia i'd recommend diluted clove or cinnamon oil

re quan yin - some objective investigation is required.. http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu...nrms/schhi.html i've been studying as much as possible about these inner light/sound movements...mostly it's origins, which are quite fascinating & brilliantly expounded but i find it's current state of western propagation is kinda disconcerting.. you really have to delve into these schools of thought to assess them efficiently Quan Yin, MasterPath, Sant Mat are a few permutations of the light/sound 'teachings' i can recall now....i had this passing impression that dragonfyre has been doing MasterPath corespondence for a little while, but anyhoo... go the table drums

i'm just gonna ramble here also..if i put any bad images in anyone's head, i'm quite happy to edit & issue the appropriate apologies ...the following is all fictional.. should also point out that i'm not all that experienced & have only been with one partner (who i'm still with) i would guess the gaba system would relate to inhibitions - that is, sealing them all in an envelope & mailing them to tomorrow..reducing the urgency/anxiety of that adrenaline bugger ie, kava inclines me toward being really snuggly & playful, down to earth & empathetic..easier to relax..mild serotonergic effect here...but you may end up being quite happy to play a little, hug & talk (not much increase in desire) if i resume taking tyrosine after a break, the first effect i notice is increase in libido..lustful & sortof aggressive...this is very much enhanced by pot (but yeah, what isn't? hehe T i thought you weren't into green) ..no suprises there i guess (tobacco will negate this effect for me..but smoking tobacco can trigger little panic attacks in me..tho i'm prone to these) while it's usually recommended that 5-htp be taken during the evening to assist sound sleep, i found it would delay sleep with distractions such as contented floaty feelings, reverie, spontaneous giggling, and the sort of parasympathetic relaxation initially required to get turned on...sex was a lot more relaxed and enjoyable, and less "goal oriented"..very blissful & a confirmation (one little lightbulb moment) that i'd let my neurostatus slide..i spose this intimacy is the arena in which i first started noticing mental improvements i'm pretty "quick off the mark" ..i find no problem getting/maintaining an erection with speed & MDMA..i have much more control (than when i'm undermedicated) at a physiological level, but the altered mental state & perception/awareness of sensation can stick around for a couple days to learn from. with MDMA, unfortunately my serotonin usually conks out before i peak and i get a sorta square-wave high/depressed vascillation..have tried pre/post loading, etc, but it just doesn't work out well.. my partner has no 'hair trigger' type problems but often can't get it up with MDMA after around 2 hours maybe..but enjoys the heightened sensation none the less.. same with speed cept he's much more aggresive and flaccid or not, i know my jaw is gonna hurt the next day.. fewer probs with MDA shrooms..have been a strange one for us..he says that sometimes it feels as though his libido has been drained & he gets distracted/scattered..he'd rather drift and cuddle...he may be reconsidering his position after a recent experience..may be revisiting possibilities here..(i'm working on this one ) basically he found it more enjoyable to concentrate on just pleasuring me.. one general difficulty for me with shrooms, is staying concentrated/centered..there's that tendency to get really dreamy & tangential, train of associational thought..only sometimes minor distractions with sex tho moderate-high doses for more out-there experience, but as stated, things can get weird (moreso if there's a sense of expectation, 'trying' to make it work) ...or low dose (& little pot) for a more workable scenario..i find the pot opens up that dopamine aspect and sorta lends a more relaxed mood - ie, easier to let go of thought loops & distractions/fixation on particular concepts, etc acid, much easier to concentrate..adrenergic/dopaminergic component here...sex is fantastic..totally in control.. heaps of energy, more euphoria ..if i haven't had sex while on acid, i get incredibly horny coming down and the rest of the day (ie release seems crucial) ..fantastic little winter tonic woodrose - amazingly blissful, ripply & wavy, ecstatic/euphoric & heaps of laughing (happiness, wonderment and sometimes disbelief hehe)..this one suprised me...'He' is kinda wary of HBWR after having some mildly scary constriction side effects (leg muscles locking up, jaw locking up so much that speaking was difficult) i'd be especially interested to hear others accounts of this one common phenomena between shrooms, acid, woodrose - a feeling that vital energy is centrapetal - spiralling inward to collect at my solar plexus..from here it concentrates, expands and sorta spills/splashes & [over]flows down to my dick moreso with the lysergamides though. limited experience with foxy - non-event..hehe seemed kinda..awkward/strained..things felt strange & rubbery..most likely determined by psych factors, but didnt bother persuing this as i found my feeling toward this one in general, was pretty neutral....ketamine & methadone also coming under this non-event category..former being a light bit of fun, latter being hmmm strange yohimbe - i also had strong side effects..strangely, being a fairly anxious type of person though, i was able to view the discomfort quite impartially...had to take some time to ensure my heart didn't burst..i probably should have been more cautious to lay off the tyrosine altogether but i've never rushed (very short lived) that hard or been so ecstatic (it shouldve been scary)..'desired' effect was quite prominent but couldn't play much/take full advantage..couldn't sleep, didn't wanna eat, exhausted for a day or two afterwards..still i think i'm ready to repeat this low level salvia/salvia return, have experienced some sort of mega-horny state here, and without opening a can o' worms passed it's 'best before', i'd often find an enveloped, light, spiritual & Maternal nurturance....there is one standout self-love experience most deeply moving for me is concentration on heart connection & eye gazing, which just humbles & amazes me to no end..this is serotonergic..the impression is one of an infinite outpouring (flowing like oil) of loving kindness, compassion & blessings..sometimes those moments, my eyes get all teary (no, i don't have allergies) exercise, yoga, relaxation, meditation & concentration-holding exercises work wonders for enhancing performance & perception these extended states must do a nice job of bathing the brain and imbuing the cerebrospinal fluid with some lovely, revitalising neuropeptides [This message has been edited by coin (edited 24 July 2002).]

pickled ginger (sliced ginger, squeeze lemon, grind rock salt) & hot 'tea'.. have to concur with the unreliability of gel caps..especially if they're compressed/packed really tight..not a good idea..very annoying..all sorts of strange low level time-release, etc solubility differences with gelatine caps vs vege caps? [This message has been edited by coin (edited 22 July 2002).]

www.mushmush.nl http://utenti.lycos.it/azurescens/

it's the 'perfect master' thing that irks me.. here's one person's take on that http://vm.mtsac.edu/~dlane/turban1.html yeah, "the divine sound current" (nada brahma) is part of nada/shabda yoga..sant mat is said to be shabda (shabd) yoga..nada, shabda & laya (absorption) yoga are the three main branches of kriya yoga.. the differences elude me..? [This message has been edited by coin (edited 18 June 2002).]

i'm not familiar with sant mat meditation... mantra meditation is sometimes known as japa yoga.. meditation on the inner sound is sometimes known as nada yoga.. the first involves the generation of a subtle (inner) sound-form energy upon which the concentration is focused, and whose vibrations are imposed upon & resonate/reshape the consciousness.. the second is an awareness meditation upon naturally occuring phenomena..these forms of meditation seem to be becoming more popular, as their exponents claim they are superior, not relying on a 'crutch' (something self-generated, handed to you by a guru)..this practise of focused passive awareness furthers one's development of equanimity in the face of the world's transient phenomena. i doubt that sant mat involves mantra..i'll probably attend the talk tomorrow night [This message has been edited by coin (edited 17 June 2002).]

back to Sant Mat meditation tour details melbourne & sydney, sant thakar singh will be giving several talks in the next few days..this is the inner light and sound meditation..all events are free of charge

that worm's kindof old, but obviously it's still getting around...i only knew it was Klez cos you mentioned the word 'flash'. there's a security flaw in outlook express that allows an attachment to run itself without being launched by the user..that is, you don't need to open the malicious attachment, it opens itself as soon as you view the email. some versions use spoofing..ie, it can fake the 'from' address, using an address from your inbox- someone you know, or even email addresses it finds from webpages in your browser's cache.. follow the instructions here: http://www.techtv.com/news/security/story/...3382892,00.html to get the removal tool..but you must also get the Outlook patch from micro$oft so you're no longer susceptible.. (both linked from that page) hope it doesn't cause too much grief.. ciao

i think you'd maybe wanna be more careful with peyote than trichs

gomaos, was the subject something like "so cool a flash,enjoy it" ?? if so, it sounds like a Klez worm (email virus)..

try the homeopathic route..you can dilute a small amount of it til you get used to the taste..you want the morning's first..mid-stream. taste-tip: avoid caffeine (well you wouldnt want to be drinking it if it's filled with a heap of funky metabolites..other than the usuals)..heck, those indians probably douche it through their nostrils at times

ahh..ignore my confusion i have some works by bartok on cd, but they're fairly conventional... i'll try to download mikrokosmos tho..i always had the impression that it was just a few books of piano studies.. so anyway, thanks a lot..i love these sort of leads oops, and sorry bout messing this thread [This message has been edited by coin (edited 13 June 2002).]

kafka & bartok..was about to say thanks for the hmm edification...but wasn't it you who wrote about bartok's compositions? *scratches head* or do i just need sleep..?

hehe hey mr g, how's life?

okeydoke..excellent hehe gotta look up that punkshated librum thing tho