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  3. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    yes, 0,5g is the threshold dose, but there is also no risk with 2g and of course there are also sub-threshold effects possible, however it is quite save if no alcohol is consumed and thats the problem in the clubs, but don't get me wrong, the dosage is always important.

    The book "Psychedelische Chemie" from Daniel Trachsel and Nicolas Richard describes it as save and very acute antidepressant.

    It is also used medicinally under the name "Xyrem" against narcolepsy because after the GHB-induced sleep narcoleptic patients feel very active.

    And of course we ourself produce it and there are also GHB-receptors, which are more responsible for the negative effects of a high GHB-dose. The pleasurable effects are caused by the action on extrasynaptic GABA-A receptors of the type α4β1δ

    The dangers are the consumption with alcohol and other sedatives, very high doses in the wrong setting and regular use for a longer period. In the mentioned book was stated that it has no risk of addiction, this is wrong.

    With regular use there is surely a psychological addiction possible and there are new studies indicating a physical addiction after long-time use.

    According to the Nymphaea I remember the old egyptians, putting lotus flowers in red wine, both containing GHB (of course there was no finding specific in Nymphaea caerulea, but in N. lotus)

  5. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    GHB was found in low concentrations in a few plants, also in Nymphaea lotus:

    I hope the pdf-link works

    name of the study from 2007: "CONSTITUENTS OF NYMPHAEA LOTUS LINN."

    https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unilag.edu.ng%2Fopendoc.php%3Fsno%3D17620%26doctype%3Dpdf%26docname%3D%24&ei=mjwzUcyKOeuQ4gSFoIDYDw&usg=AFQjCNHJm-0l9rfI7x6s2nuklNt04o5cNA&bvm=bv.43148975,d.bGE

    GHB (gamma hydroxy butyric acid) is mentioned in this study with the synonym "4-hydroxy butanoic acid"

    Nymphaea lotus often has its leaves under water (in contrast to N. caerulea and Nelumbo sp.) and is available as plant in aquaristic stores

    GHB was also found in Quercus suber, fermented products like aged meat, tobacco and wine and Hippocrepis comosa, GHB-glucosides in Anoectochilus and Goodyera species

    The GHB-precursor GBL (metabolically converted to GHB) was also found in plants like Rhododendron ponticum and Zanthoxylum piperitum (suspension culture).

    The GHB-analog Funebrin was found in Rosita de Cacao (Quararibea funebris)- flowers

    Of course this is only for scientific information, anyway an extraction would be inefficient, regarding the low amounts in these plants.

  6. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    also a psychoactive aromatic and highly valued plant: Costus (Saussurea lappa):

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    Costus root has its native range in the Himalaya and a complex animalic musk-hair-like, strong odor. It contains an alkaloid (Saussurine) with sedative anticolvulsant action. The plant is also regarded as aphrodisiac and bronchodilatory. The main odor compounds are Costunolide and Costol.

    It should be only bought with certificate from cultivation, because the wild plant is endangered.

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  9. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    Helichrysum foetidum is a very interesting plant, also the thread you have linked. I heard of it long time ago, Rätsch also mentions it, but I never experienced with it, but I will make good for it.

    I do use the essential oil of the related, but European Helichrysum italicum (Immortelle), wich has a lifting effect on me.

    I think the effects must be similar to another Southafrican plant: Alepidea amatymbica, which is steadily gaining popularity. It really has a psychoactive scent and I have used it in perfumes.

    According to this study: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305197811000470

    ...the main constituent of Helichrysum foetidum is the kaurene-type diterpene kaur-16-en-18-oic acid

    The main constituents of Alepidea amatymbica are also kaurene-type diterpenes like ent-16-kaurene-19-oic acid, which is synonymous with kaur-16-en-19-oic acid: http://www.plantzafrica.com/medmonographs/alepideaatym.pdf

    Alepidea amatymbica-root (very hazy and aromatic):

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    Teucrium melans was a typing error from Guest_Thelema, I think.

    Teucrium marum (cat thyme) has indeed a psychoactive smell on me, once I had it as plant, but maybe I am allergic to it, for me it was really irritating and I was sneezing after inhaling the scent of the fresh leaves. I made a tincture, maybe this will be less irritating.

    It contains (among others) the new clerodane-diterpene Teumarin B, Nepetalactones and the methylcyclopentanoid monoterpene Teucrein. It has attractive effects on cats.

    My Teucrium marum- plants:

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  11. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    Labdanum should not be mixed up with Laudanum ;-)

    ...then we have more 'anums' like Olibanum and Galbanum

    The old-famous Laudanum also has its very own scent from various components like poppies, saffron, juniper, cloves, coriander, camphor and henbane root.

    The original Coca-Cola got its scent from cocaleaf, colanut and essential oils from cinnamon, lemon, orange, nutmeng, coriander, neroli and vanilla.

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  13. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    lago smells a bit like boswellia sacra, doesn't it.

    my above post was an attempt to be humorous, in case you are not familiar with the character gundel gaukeley, and not to be taken serious.

    do you mean Boswellia sacra leaves? I can't find the Olibanum-resin smell in Lagochilus but I never smelled Boswellia sacra- leaves. For me Olibanum is more resiny-balsamic-citrus-like.

    I understand, the ducks were too long ago ;-)

  16. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    How do you think does Lagochilus inebrians smell?

    It always reminds me slightly on urine, besides the resiny intoxicating scent, which is spearmint-catnip-laurel-camphor-like, also like Metaxa spirit, also has accents of dried raisins and roses.

    Besides the diterpene alcohols (Lagochilin) it has a high terpineol content (like laurel).

    Lagochilin does not have an odor (?), because it has 20 carbon atoms.

    There is the 18 carbons rule: Molecules with more than 18 carbon atoms cannot have an odor because they are too heavy and too less volatile. The heaviest odor molecules are the musks (Ambrettolide, Muscone, Exaltolide).

    Regarding this rule there are very few exceptions: Labdane from Labdanum is one, it is regarded as the largest odorant with 20 carbons! The pheromones Androstenol, Androstenone and Androstadienone have 19 carbon atoms.

  17. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    Recently a girlfriend asked me if I could make an antidepressant aroma-therapeutic agent. I've read many studies on the antidepressant effect of essential oils and found 14 plants:

    especially Lemon (Citrus limon), Eukalypt, Rosemary, Patchouli and Saffron (Tibet)

    additionally Calamus, Clary sage, Orange, Lavender, Lemongrass (Bhutan), Sandalwood (New Caledonia), Petitgrain (Citrus aurantium), Olibanum (Oman) and Cedar

    so I made a composition of them in various amounts. It has a headnote with a radiating and mind-clearing and very citrus-like bouquet, followed by a heart of Olibanum and Clary sage and finally a complex basenote, dominated by Sandalwood and Calamus.

    On me and three other testers it really has very balancing, antidepressant, refreshing and at the same time mellowing action on the mind.

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    One of the most unique odors of ethnobotanicals has Mondia whytei- root, which is used in Africa for many purposes, including aphrodisiac.

    It has a bitter-sweet dry scent which is like a mix of burned mannitol with vanilla

    The component responsible for the odor is 2-hydroxy-4-methoxybenzaldehyde (a potent tyrosinase inhibitor, structural related to vanilline). There was also found the rare chlorinated coumarinolignan 5-chloropropacin and 1-2% volatile oil.

    The plant was shown to have androgenic effects and antidepressant-like activity and is used throughout Africa, except the North, mainly as stimulant, aphrodisiac, analgesic, stomachic, to flavour beer and to treat stress and tension. In Gabon the dried powdered roots enter in magico-religious mixtures because of their fragrance. The leaves are considered edible.

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  19. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    Very interesting thread.

    I've just added a few Cistus ladanifer plants to the SAB webstore.

    This species is a botanical source of labdanum.

    I'm impressed with the fast completion of the SAB store with perfume plants! Really a great addition!

    To cite Daniel Rühlemann, about Cistus ladanifer: "The particular suitability of the leaves as fixative (binding agent for scents), it gave proof of, recently: The leaves smelled wonderful like roses, only because a mother plant of Geranium 'Attar of Roses' stood next to it."

    The Labdane in it is regarded as the largest odorant molecule known with 20 carbon atoms, anomalous regarding the 18-carbon rule.

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  21. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    knowing nothing abotu it, and being blown away by this thread, can i ask if a plant has a smell, is it possible to lock it up in an oil? for example cannabis has all sorts fo different scents, can tehy be harnessed? If i am walking through a forest adn smell a plant that is just unreal, could it be harnessed as well? or is this a whole other huge massive science?

    yes, the scent of most plants can be captured and it is not too complicated. It also depends on what you want, essential oils and absolutes are the most concentrated forms but must be distilled or extracted, which is a bit more complicated.

    I have a small cheap distiller, but it was possible get the scent out of blue lotus.

    The easiest way to extract scents is to make a tincture with 80% alcohol. Grind the material and put it in the alcohol for a few days, then filtrate. In perfume mixes most tinctures are much weaker than essential oils, but it depends on the dominance of the plant-scent. If the scent, captured with the alcohol is too weak, let the alcohol evaporate at low temperature to get the absolute. The problem is, this method works for most but not all plant materials (80-90%).

    Some flower scents (or aldehydes from cilantro) for example are too fragile to extract them in this way, they break down by enzymatic processes, so you need two steps (enfleurage): Put the fresh chopped material in liquid paraffin or liquid refined coconut oil and put it aside for a few days, always shake well, then strain through a sieve and squeeze. Now you can extract the scent with 80% alcohol from the liquid paraffin (two layers), which takes up to a week.

    Cannabis scent (you always need the buds) is very complex, diverse and not easy to extract with alcohol because some of the components are not soluble in alcohol. The only way which worked was to microwave it 2 times for 30 seconds, then grind and put it in liquid refined coconut fat, stir well and microwave again. Liquify the fat again the next day and strain. Of course this description is only for legal low-THC-strains and only for the scent, not for consumption ;-)

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  24. Posted · Edited by mindperformer

    The Scent of Ethnobotany:

    ...brings together many odorant entheogens and psychoactive volatile compounds:

    a few drops Vitex agnus-castus tincture (seeds and leaves)

    1 drop Kaempferia galanga essential oil

    1 rod wetting Ratrani (Cestrum nocturnum flower)- not too much, it strongly dominates!

    1/2 Damiana tincture

    1/8 Tobacco (organic) tincture

    1/16 Backhousia citriodora leaves- tincture (antidepressant odor)

    <1/16 Alepidea amatymbica root tincture- not too much, it strongly dominates!- really euphoric

    1/16 Abelmoschus moschatus seed tincture

    1 rod wetting Jasmine absolute- not too much, it strongly dominates!

    1 rod wetting Oud oil

    1 rod wetting Sassafras oil (Safrole)

    1 rod wetting Tuberose absolute

    2 drops AMT tincture

    1 rod wetting Canada balsam as mild fixative

    3 drops Iso E Super as blender

    1/16 tincture from Macropiper excelsum leaves and Piper methysticum root (Vanuatu)

    1/16 Colanut tincture (smells powdery, like headshop)

    1 rod wetting Immortelle (Helichrysum) oil

    1/16 Fabiana imbricata tincture (smells resin-like pine forest)

    <1/16 Ledum groenlandicum tincture (contains the psychoactive Ledol in the essential oil)

    1 rod wetting Tulsi (Ocimum sanctum) oil

    1 rod wetting Spikenard oil

    a few crystals Borneol

    a bit Nepeta mussinii tincture

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