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Yes please - thanks so much goldtop. I think giving loph stuff away is only really appreciated in places like this, and it really is. I hope to enjoy growing these and give them away to more. PM'd.

yes please! This is an awesome set-up for people starting out. Thanks so much stillman - big up to you and your mother.

Got em today - thanks again mate.

PMd for a pack. Have been so slack getting the cheaper loph mixed and LW mixed seeds- ditto with preferring to know the exact variety Goldtop - just so expensive. Great price though.

pmd as well for a few.

Pmd.

Thanks curaezipirid and kalika . Really appreciate your ideas and encouragement. These posts are very important in determining my direction. Try to keep it brief and clear: 1. My definite mistake on "traditional artists"! I had meant Eurocentric Australian traditional artists 1800-1900. 2. I too agree that there is murky distinctions between what causes the patterns whether it was humans or landscape - it feels like chicken and the egg. The relationship between the artist and the viewer, nature and the art piece - is an intensely strong point. Clearly showing that there is no distinction between these sort of Western reductionist ideas. 3. The strongest psychedelic ART is most definitely biodiversity. Seems as if again each pattern or creation is just a novel reflection of the same code. 4. Kalika - This is exactly the point of Australian psychedelic art I had felt but couldn't articulate. "shimmering patterns reminiscent of a scorching desert, sparseness punctuated by outbursts of fractal beauty". The landscapes seem to start sliding into one another - patterns clash with one another, rather than it just being leaves on trees. Some artists it feels as if they are seeing into the landscape at that time, and trying to reveal the underlying codes at play rather than strict realism of the surrounding world. 5. "For the plant itself, its cultural utility apart from its use as an intoxicant should be enough to ensure its protection". "publicly prove aboriginals got high off acacia is really the best idea" "western society to try and use indigenous culture to publicly justify use of an illegal substance" - These are points I definitely feel need to be at the top of the agenda due to cultural sensitivity. I am trying explicitly to see whether or not the visual style of their cultural artefacts are linked to historical or current use. This would add extra research to both Australian Indigenous history as well as to the history of Acacia use. Thats the main goal - the future potential of using this research to legitimise the substance would be up to someone else to tackle that battle. Like you too, I feel like the best avenue forward is to focus on the cultural artefacts from the Acacia - even if I feel like it doesn't matter whether they are from Western or Indigenous sources. 6. Now this is a coincidence (or bad theory) - Xenodimensional is secretly one of the most fantastic blokes you could meet. I specifically met with him for coffee to discuss that film you posted being on my site acaciaarts.com approximately 2 months ago. That film is exactly what is required. Except the goal for artists must be to continue refining the video effect techniques to explicitly represent the visual style of complexity, depth etc. He also agreed to do an interview discussing the problems representing the visuals. On a side note - I have spoken with Mitch Schultz (director of DMT: Spirit Molecule) about the process of him working with his animators and on a side not he mentioned that he had to describe the visuals to the animators, so they could represent them. They were not working from experience. To me this rang alarm bells - there needs to be a bank of artists, animators who are experienced in the field to retrieve back visuals from - a predominantly visual substance. It seems ludicrous to write a single paper on what is purely a visual, motion experience. No camera can represent the subjective experience, and so artists are given the same power of explorers. For they are the only ones who can return and speak in the language of the visions. The best probability for this to unfold would be for artists/animators to be the prime individuals who are used for future legitimate DMT human psychedelic trials. Specific trials with specific visual test apparatus. ~~ Just and update ~~ Received an email from MAPS today (after sending a letter enquiring as to any further research) encouraging the study, seeing its immediate potential benefits for studies in psychopharmacology. This really got me excited once again, hearing it from a very formal place - (even if it is just a single response). I am definitely spending the next 6 months preparing how to tread this murky water so I can get a scholarship and formalise the research. I am just totally struggling without it being a formal process - feels far too loose.

PM'D! They look lovely.