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ok, so here's a story.... when i traded those lophs, i got several pm's claiming that 6 and 8cm lophs ar not big, and they are only interessted in "big" lophs. they whole thing reeked of, attempts to maybe say, you don't know what you are doing and i will not buy lophs of you, because they are small and not big, as you say. this naturaly, happend because, i once complained that somebody here, did not return all my lophs and never, gave me any money either as was agreed.... now, if i learned one thing of plants, than it could be, not to take attacks personely, and not to hold on to some upset. but rather learn or take something positive from it.... those people were driven by negative emotions, and by lack of knowledge! so i say as followes. lophs which grow bigger than 8cm and are fast growing in volume are called giants. so there privat message should have read, i only want to buy giant lophs, not i only want to buy big loph, larger than8cm or more. most lophs don't grow into giant sizes, but reach there maximum size, and than don't get any bigger, not even after 40years!! but it's said that at this time, i did not sell many giants, maybe some small giants. giants sell for 400 to 800aud and i only asked very little money for my cacti, so no giants. i have a few giants, and they are kept indoors, far away from the few other lophs i still got. the hope is to produce a lot of "giant" seeds. i sowed out some of those, seeds pollinated only by giants, a few weeks ago, wath this space for more info. i hope to be able to sell some giant seeds, and giants (but still small) grafted onto peres. financial interessts, i don't have. giant lophs