fractal

I think this place is awesome.. I poached fantastic info for a year or so before I wised up and got an account so I could contribute. We are great!

ok sorry it took so long to reply.. Apparently there is a sydney group but no northern NSW group that they know of. I was told that if you were to go to: http://polyamory.org.au/ you should be able to get in touch with some people near you though

I guess it comes down to how self aware they are.

Fancy pants.. I don’t think your going to have much luck calling Maurice out on sexism. In fact I think you will have a hard time communicating with him at all. And Maurice.. please stop slaughtering science! Leave genetics alone, actually it would be great if you left biology and perhaps medicine alone as well. Even if you were to begin every post with “all views and opinions stated herein are fictitious” you would still be doing damage. If you haven’t educated yourself in a particular discipline and try using things you have heard in passing or read on wiki to support your own ideas you just end up looking very silly. Maurice I don’t mean for this to be an insult, I just hope you can suppress your ego enough for you to see what im talking about. Look at your last few posts responding to mine: (and I apologize to everyone else for this tedious recount but it is necessary to make my point. Also im not suggesting that you haven’t already noticed this) You: Are you saying that children of polyamorous relationships are somehow protected from parental alienation after divorce, over and above children of monogomous relationships? Go sit in the Family Court for a day and get an education, and who pays the child support? Me: Yes that is what I am saying. If a child’s parents are polyamorous then they are likely to have other partners, issues of jealousy, possession and fear between the partners of both parents should have already been resolved so there is far less cause for parental alienation after the split up. Furthermore the child probably already has developed relationships with the other partners of both parents so it would be easier on the child. Sit in the Family Court for a day for an education? Again it sounds like your advocating polyamory! the circus I would be subjected to if I were to do that has resulted from the system your so passionately defending. You: ...as we parents know, huge hormonal changes accompany parenthood, and thus issues of jealousy arise, but if you haven't been there Fractal, you don't have a clue. Me: #3. Your right I haven’t had a child so I don’t have a clue as to how any changes to my neural chemistry that might result will alter me. What I do know is that people engaged in successful polyamory must have invested a great deal of time in removing (more likely reducing) their social conditioning to feel fear and jealousy in those situations You: #3. Different male sperm in the female reproductive tract, compete with each other to death. No jealousy? Do you see what happened there? You couldn’t counter my rebuttal against your anti poly argument based on parental alienation from the child if the parents split up. Instead of conceding the point you pulled out a personal experience that had nothing to do with polyamory (your not polyamourous therefore your personal experiences with jealousy and parenthood can’t be used to renounce polyamory).I then conceded that I couldn’t speak from personal experience as Im not a father. I had hopped that if I gave you that irrelevant victory you might pay more attention to my original argument about jealousy being far less an issue within a polyamorous relationship. Instead you pulled out some voodoo science about different sperm competing in the female reproductive tract being an example of jealousy. Im afraid I must have slept through all of my cellular psychology lectures so I cant argue against this point.. though It isn’t actually a point unless you meant to say that sperm from different men compete and even then it carries no weight as all sperm compete irrespective of who they came from. Instead of replying with some kind of abusive post try and understand what I am saying. If polyamory threatens you so much that you have to appose it but have no reason or logic to help you.. maybe you could just say: "i have a bad feeling about this" don’t lie or spread misinformation. If you have no clue, leave it alone. If you mean for your posts to be read as a joke simply say so.

Would you like me to ask this group if they know of something similar in NSW? It may not be north but it might be nice to have a group you can model your own on

mutant Perhaps your path is just taking you on such a different journey to us that you cant possibly understand what we are talking about so to you it looks as though we are deluding ourselves. I guess there is nothing that can be said to make you realize that this truly does work for many people around the world. Everyone There is a PolyVic meeting this Tuesday if anyone near Melbourne is interested. It might be a good opportunity for you to ask questions, discuss your issues and hear about other peoples experiences with this way of life. Date: Tuesday 8th December Time: 7:15pm for a 7:30pm start Location: Upstairs room at Father Flanagan's, 484 Smith St (cnr Alexandra Pde), Collingwood. Enter from the Smith St door (not the one on the corner) and take the stairs in front of you. Melways ref: 2D E5 Public transport: 86 tram down Smith St

#1. (please take note of this point this time) No one has said that polyamory involves un-protected sex. If someone in a polyamorous relationship decides they want a child they will discuss it with their partner/s they might want to have a child with. If any of those decide they want a child as well then they can start planning it. I would be surprised if this resulted in an attempt to have a child with more then one partner (but every one is different and focusing on this one remote possibility as a major source of potential inbreeding is just very silly) #2. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Make sure you know what we are talking about here! read souljourney’s post on this page and some of the posts on the first page (triskele and mine I think explain the concept well and some of the others) we aren’t talking about a bunch of people running rampant through the larger community having unprotected sex with anyone and everyone they meet (lets face it, that describes the behavior of single monogamous people on a Saturday night a hell of a lot more accurately then the polyamourous community). So any argument based on the assumption that there is no family planning involved (which seems to be behind your incest comments) is just ludicrous. #3. Your right I haven’t had a child so I don’t have a clue as to how any changes to my neural chemistry that might result will alter me. What I do know is that people engaged in successful polyamory must have invested a great deal of time in removing (more likely reducing) their social conditioning to feel fear and jealousy in those situations #4. Naïve? Lets talk about naïveté then. Paternity testing has shown us that even in monogamous relationships quite often no one really knows who the father is (at least there not willing to divulge the truth). Do you really have three sons? #5. How could they be subject to the same social, legal and ethical issues? They have different social values, our marriage laws are discriminatory to any one who isn’t heterosexual and monogamous, children are likely to already know their parents other partners. That’s all im going to say in response to you because so far I feel that I have successfully countered all of your arguments and you respond by shifting your weight to a different and more irrelevant argument while ignoring my points. It’s a good strategy for continuing an argument without ever having to concede a point but not very constructive. Im here to discuss, learn and share. Peace

So you relate polyamory to incest? Can you please explain to me how you came to this?? Your right, I assumed that for you to start your post with “From a medical POV” you were about to say something that would be supported with current theory. I had a good long think about what model you were basing your claim on and decided you must have thought that a polyamorous community would produce offspring of undetermined paternity and that those children may grow up together not knowing who there father is or who there siblings were and could mate inadvertently (which is why I said you would need several generations). If this isn’t the model you were basing your statement on then please do enlighten us. Make the decision to have a child? Were not talking about rape here and no one has said that polyamory involves un-protected sex, some people might practice unprotected sex but thats true no mater what style of relationship the person is involved in (check out the unplanned pregnancy rate). Yes that is what I am saying. If a child’s parents are polyamorous then they are likely to have other partners, issues of jealousy, possession and fear between the partners of both parents should have already been resolved so there is far less cause for parental alienation after the split up. Furthermore the child probably already has developed relationships with the other partners of both parents so it would be easier on the child. Sit in the Family Court for a day for an education? Again it sounds like your advocating polyamory! the circus I would be subjected to if I were to do that has resulted from the system your so passionately defending. Is that why? It doesn’t have anything to do with the complications of gender equality? There must be a great number of very well designed studies published that have gone unrefuted for a long time for your statement to be true. I think your real issue is with child custody, your arguments have very little to do with polyamory. I also think you need to go back to your comments about inbreeding and perhaps fill the rest of us in on why you assert that polyamory leads to inbreeding (and PLEASE go back to the first page and read up on what we are saying polyamory is. your arguments make me think that your arguing against something else entirely)

Really???? thats amazing, i would have thought that there would have to be some degree of consanguineous matings to lead to inbreeding depression (and that it would have to be maintained over at least a few generations). Are you working off the assumption that in a small polyamorous community every male will breed with every female and that this group will isolate themselves for several generations? That could result in inbreeding depression (no more then a small community of monogamous people breeding with each other in an isolated environment though). A man or woman enjoying a polyamorous relationship with a range of people is likely to choose a mother/father for their child, they may have several children with that one partner and none with the others or a few children with a few partners or even one with each.. im trying to say that the workings of each polyamorous relationship is likely to be different and you should be careful making assumptions (just as you should be careful making assumptions about any relationship) To me this sounds like endorsement for polyamory but then again i just checked out the Australian Bureau of Statistics and learned that 47 963 divorces were granted in 2007 and 49% of these involved children. Your statment does seem to miss the mark anyway considering no one (that i am aware of) has suggested that men or women in polyamorous relationships stop seeing their partner after having a child. If a monogamous relationship fails quiet often the parent with custody of the child raises it with their new partner, it can be very difficult for the other biological parent to spend a significant amount of time with the child due to jealousy issues from the new partners. This is far less of an issue (if it is at all an issue) in polyamorous relationships. The impact a fathers (or mothers) absence has on a child’s development is a contentious issue though the literature is cram packed with studies that have found no developmental deficits in children raised without a male role mode let-alone a biological father. Check your references you may have swallowed some anti-lesbianism propaganda. you do know that polyamory is mutual don’t you? Its not just men who can have multiple partners. You seem to have a lot of very strange misconceptions about polyamory, I suggest you read the earlier posts.

check out the earlier posts and my comment was directed at people who kept bogging the thread down with crap about fucking lots of people. I think the posts about oxytocin, fear, STD's STI's are valid (in fact fear is one of the things that i spoke of)

That’s why we call it polyamory and not polygamy It might be hard to imagine how someone could love multiple people with the same passion and genuine commitment as you love your single partner but its hard to imagine how someone could willfully put themselves into a lucid dream or expand there perception of time through meditation.. im trying to say that it takes work but the benefits are worth it.

No i just came out of a clinical trial and thought it would be a good time to determine if it had any affect at all (as that seemed to be the main point in contention). now that ive done it and experienced a pretty strong affect i would of course like to do it under normal circumstances No i have no idea what is in it, i did get the feeling that the experience could have been a fair bit more then what it was (but i wont take more then one vial without getting in touch with the manufacturer) And just to reemphasize: I am a regular caffeine user, im a student. 3-4 cups before uni is not uncommon nor is it likely to be the extent of the days dose. The only reserve i have about my experience is that i had been told that it would produce lightness of body and euphoria. Im well aware of placebo affect. Additionally when i use drugs i dont just sit down and wait for something to happen, im very mindful of my state of mind before i take the drug and generally quickly notice any changes. Just as i may have amplified the experience with my mind someone else expecting the drug to fail might suppress the experience. In short if your not open to the drug dont take it.

thnx xodarap lol... Do you have coffee with mdma??? I drink a lot of coffee normally, ive experienced a good caffeine hit after just as long a time of abstaining from it and I assure you that it is COMPLETELY different Try some.

Oh wow! Most of the posts on this page are unbelievable, I had heard the Corroboree forums were a great place for serious discussion. I don’t want to be to provocative but could we please keep this thread related to polyamory (polyamory is not analogous to ‘crafty trick letting you fuck as many people as you can’)

Ok here goes! I thought I would give kaktus a fair go and try my hand at a trip report. *pre-trip preparation: I hadn’t taken any drugs (including nicotine, alcohol and caffine) for 7 days and I had fasted for more then 10hrs (overnight) before dosing. Though I understand music can alter an experience I decided to put some music on (Johann Sebastian Bach) *trip timeline: -10:55 drank the whole 2gram vial suspended in multiV juice (a full fruit box) -11:27 >slight cloudiness to thoughts a bit like being tipsy >heightened energy levels, slightly altered visual perception. >mild sense of love and joy (though I did just receive a phone call informing me I was to come into $2000) -11:48 >body feels light, sense of joy is approaching euphoria >feel like dancing (and am dancing) >>definitely active >very smooth experience, no jarring surges.. just a gentle but reasonably strong high > enhanced touch (more sensitive to subtleties of different surfaces), sound (enjoying music immensely), vision (slightly augmented.. a bit like a very low psilocybin experience) and smell (burning some sandalwood almost potentiates the experience) >still haven’t eaten, not hungry (appetite suppression?) -12:10 > feel ‘giggly’ very nice euphoria, feel warm and ‘lovey’ >changed music to caspa & rusko (more dancing) >feel more social, calling friends to chat instead of txting to reply to msgs and have decided to go to something I had previously decided to pyke out on >ate an apple, taste hasn’t been augmented 12:46 >still just as strong (and still haven’t eaten anything apart from the apple) 13:00 >still just as strong, am going to go lay in the sun 13:30 >sun was great! (though it always is) feel like I have past the peak and may be coming down 14:00 >still feel altered but it has mostly warn off, still very clean and smooth *I finished here as I had things to do though I still felt altered for a while later *The duration of the trip was good and I didn’t experience any comedown at all, the effects came on smooth and steady with only mild peaks/troughs and they wore off much like an ebbing tide. *I felt perfectly normal in the evening and the next few days *‘A friend of mine’ found this to be a nice alternative to pills being equal/better then a lot of the crap circulating atm *I will buy more, not as an alternative to pills but as a nice experience in its own right. I think HHH has a winner here though this is the first legal alternative I have tried