psycho0 Posted March 11, 2001 hello everyone a FOAF was asking this question not long ago. are you able to just stuff the fresh cactus in the food processor, and drink? i thought someone here might know? it would be a fair bit of stuff to drink, yeah but it would be quick and easy. any info would be great, thanx psyco0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted March 12, 2001 Maybe not easy, when it comes to getting it down! I imagine that would be pretty thick and chunky Removing the spines would be a good idea. There are many methods people have suggested for preparing cacti for consumption. Many can be found on the net without much effort. Of course if doing this for medicinal purposes you would want to be sure that the cactus did not contain any prohibited substances, because you would then be breaking the law. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ramon Posted March 12, 2001 Juicing would work. It would be quick but not to sure about easy as some of these cacti have the most revolting taste. As wira mentioned using this method for those cacti containing mescaline would be illegal in Australia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TAXMAN Posted March 12, 2001 AFOAF may have tried this on the weekend..about 2 ft off pach. and blended it up.. he said if you blend it for too long it would foam up and make it extremely hard to get down.. mmm froffy mucus with extra bitter chunky appeal.. yum.. but he did say that adding lime or lemon juice helps significantly, like a bitter cancels out a bitter taste?? boiling the amount down would make it a little less to swallow though.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted March 13, 2001 yeah, but it also makes it thicker and concentrates the taste Also, if you mean boiling down the blended cactus, then that would just boil off water and leave a pile of cactus mush. Even worse to get down. As Ramon pointed out, juicing is a viable option, but simply blending it isn't making things much easier on yourself. Reliable voices suggest that cooking at high temperatures, or extending cooking times, to reduce the liquid, is likely to result in increased chance of there being strong nausea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TAXMAN Posted March 13, 2001 wouldnt boiling at low temp for 1-2hrs make the little tiny bits o cactus go extremely mushy..breaking them down into almost liquid making it easy to get down? after all is there anyone who cant swallow 1 small glass of the most rat shit tasting fluid if they want the results?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterdragon Posted March 13, 2001 yes there is a person who can (will) not swallow one small glass of the most rat-shit tasting fluid. a friend returning from vietnam brought back a strong drink labelled as 'tache' and we got stuck into it, the taste wasn't great to start with - like they were trying to hide something, then i noticed the picture of the gecko on the bottle. it repeated on me for most of the night , was out of bed at 3 a.m trying to remove the taste with some tequila, can't even stand the smell of it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reville Posted March 13, 2001 seen my muffin tek? works great for edible cacti you know tunas and nopals of course you despine,skin extract your edible flesh treat with lemon/lime juice cook slightly strain through cloth mix solids with flour then butter and other tasty bits then add your liquid which is soaked up can you eat a non slimy but bitter muffin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted March 14, 2001 "wouldnt boiling at low temp for 1-2hrs make the little tiny bits of cactus go extremely mushy..breaking them down into almost liquid making it easy to get down?" Believe me, it is much easier to get down if you strain out the solid matter. Yes, the tiny bits will go mushy if tiny enough, but if you are heating raw blended cactus you will still just be cooking off some of the water that is already there and making the whole thing thicker. If you don't reduce it, the amount needed to be drunk will in most cases be well over a glass, more like half a litre or more. The thicker it is the harder it is to get down. Ever tried drinking a glass of extremely bitter snotty phlegm? "after all is there anyone who cant swallow 1 small glass of the most rat shit tasting fluid if they want the results??" It definitely takes dedication to the cause, so to speak, but I do know a number of people who find it impossible to get down without it coming straight back up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TAXMAN Posted March 14, 2001 "can you eat a non slimy but bitter muffin?".. umm.. do u have any spare? i could go a few now.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robots123 Posted March 15, 2001 hello, I use the tech whereby you: despine (bonsai concave cutters good for this) peel of skin cut away green tissue and keep dry for 1-2 weeks in dark airy spot grind and eat with strong lemon cordial taste is still ordinary but bearable i think other blender techs create too much to consume wonderful trips better than a lot of T's around more experiments to come Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted March 16, 2001 We'll assume for your sake that you're talking about a crazy dream you had recently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rkundalini Posted March 16, 2001 Just wondering how much of the green stuff you dreamed of eating? Ie what wet weight of whole cactus would you use to get the right quantity of green stuff? Just interested to get an idea what proportion of the total mescaline resides in the green stuff (as has been reported but not confirmed analytically afaik) compared to the rest. The technique suggested by K. Trout is to puree in a blender, add lime juice, pressure cook for 20 minutes (or boil for 30-45 I think he says), filter through cloth, keep liquid, re-extract the solids in lime juice again, combine liquids, cool and consume. Reduction of volume by boiling is not recommended due to possible nausea as wira mentioned. The idea is to add only a few limes/lemons of juice to minimize the volume but make it runny and acidic enough still to extract efficiently. 900 g of cactus works out to about 500-700 mL to drink, not too bad. In a dream I found it acceptably palatable as a frozen then thawed slurpee, but given the weak effects it was probably deficient in mescaline which may ordinarily be largely responsible for the bitterness... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TAXMAN Posted March 16, 2001 gees.. 900g's of cactus... in my dreams i have only 400-450g's for a night's worth of happy dreaming.. my hat goes off to those who can consume 900+ grams.. keep dreaming Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rkundalini Posted March 16, 2001 By the way, regarding the original question, as others have said you could just puree and drink but it wouldn't be pleasant. Also you'd have to clip the spines off first as they don't necessarily get totally powdered in the blender. Re 900 g, well potency varies widely but as a few authors point out, a stronger than expected cactus dose is not nearly as scary and difficult to handle as say a high dose of mushrooms, and aiming high avoids the "dreaded underdose". There's a common perception that mescaline is "mild" but apparently it is not so if taken in suitable dosage. (as I said my dream was almost inactive so I am talking from reading here, not experience) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robots123 Posted March 16, 2001 Hello, I followed the cactus jerky tech which is on other net sites and have very good results. require approx. 8-14 inchs of cactus I find but depends on person. the very green cactus seem to be the stronger after drying the cacti I cut up to very small pieces so it gets into the system easier remenber most stimulants as discussed are light sensitive i.e LSD and temperature senistive by locating the green tissue you are reducing the volume of material in your stomach therefore quicker and more pronounced results anyhow see you [This message has been edited by Ramon (edited 17 March 2001).] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robots123 Posted March 16, 2001 hello, sorry when talking 8-14 inches, also around 2 - 3 inchs in diammeter. very large San pedro not necessary more green tissue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest frogaroo Posted March 16, 2001 Hello, I've just joined this BB and find it remarkably informative; and also it's nice to 'share' with local souls! Re. preparing pedro: has anyone dreamt of using a juice extractor instead of a blender? In this case, fiber would be separated, which may *not* be a good thing. Any thoughts on the matter? Rgds, frogsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wira Posted March 17, 2001 Robots123, I hate to come across heavy the first time we meet, but could you please re-read the forum rules as you are incriminating yourself. A slight re-phrasing could easily deal with the problem, which I hope I shouldn't have to spell out. take care, wira Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ramon Posted March 17, 2001 robots123 I have edited the post as you may notice. I have tried to minimize the changes made. Please email me if you are unhappy with the changes and will discuss why I did it. I would have emailed you first but you don't provide a email address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest robots123 Posted March 17, 2001 Hello, chin up, no big deal here keep the posts rollin anyhow seeya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kindness Posted February 13, 2011 old skool love. a lot of FOAF talking. Seems we have lost a great deal of subtlety as time has gone on huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
