budgerum Posted July 19, 2011 Hey guys I was recently got some cuttings off a 30+yrs cactus that was about 4m high. Hoping you can ID it for me. The older branches have 8 ribs.Sorry about the poor quality pics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 19, 2011 It looks like a 'true' pachanoi to me, but it's really hard to tell from those photos. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Khala Posted July 19, 2011 Yeah, it looks a lot like a pachanoi - all the details are there. Not sure of the subspecies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 budgerum Posted July 20, 2011 Hey guys I was recently got some cuttings off a 30+yrs cactus that was about 4m high. Hoping you can ID it for me. The older branches have 8 ribs.Sorry about the poor quality pics. Hi, hope these pics are a bit better. They are of a 2m branch - top, mid and bottom sections Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 Are they from the same plant? They are cuzcoensis. In your first post, the spination (though hard to see in the photo) looks pachanoid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 budgerum Posted July 20, 2011 Yes the same plant but a much younger piece. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tripsis Posted July 20, 2011 It doesn't look right for cuzcoensis to me. More like a peruvianus form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Gunter Posted July 20, 2011 looks like a pachanoid type to me, just with some longer spines. Reminds me a bit of the KK242 with the short spines, a very desirable clone, that clone (short spineKK242) grows long central spines on the older growth, as do a few pachanoid plants out there. about that figure of 30+ years, how did you learn about it? You aren't giving it that age because of size are you? Did someone mention that it was already there in 1980? 4m of growth can easily occur in a decade. Established plants can grow up to a meter a year in the fastest cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 budgerum Posted July 20, 2011 The man that owns the cactus told me that it was over thirty years old and his mother had planted it. I only mentioned it in case it helps with the ID.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Gunter Posted July 20, 2011 thank you! That is very cool information. It means quite a bit to some of us actually because 30 years ago these plants were not so widespread but there was an awareness of them such as the Agurell studies. I'd expect that to be a highly desirable plant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Bush Turkey Posted July 20, 2011 does it grow longer spines down the bottom of the bigger cuts? i have the same plant. I tried to get it id'd to no avail. it shows signs of a knuth/ peru/ pach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 Yeah, knuthanus might be a better description than cuzco, but peruvianus? It's not what I think of when I think peruvianus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tripsis Posted July 20, 2011 The top photos definitely don't look like peruvianus; much more like pachanoi. The bottom photos are more peruvianoid, but looking at them again, I suppose they're still more pachanoid. Doesn't look right for knuthianus to me either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 The funny thing is, it could pass for different cacti in almost every shot. The two in post #1 look very pachanoid, the first one in post #4 looks cuzcoid, while the second could maybe pass for short-spined peruvian, and the third looks decidedly knuthianus. I think I'm sticking with knuthianus for the fact that knuthianus can have those long, regular cuzcoid spines (though not always) and I think it has too many traits too far removed from peru or pach to be described as either of them. Of course, you can't always fit everything in a neat little box, and it could be a hybrid or an interesting genetic branch that isn't that common. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tripsis Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) Of course, you can't always fit everything in a neat little box, and it could be a hybrid or an interesting genetic branch that isn't that common. Definitely, there always remains the possibility that it is a hybrid. Still, with that said, look at these pachanoi from Ecuador More pachanoi from Ecuador. Also, check out these pachanoi from Peru. Edited July 20, 2011 by tripsis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 Yeah, but most of them have the typical narrow, downward pointing, often two-per-areole spines, which I thought I saw in this one in the first post, second picture. But post #4 shows that the mature spines are more of the form with a thicker singular central spine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 It's also debatable whether pachanoi is being used on those pages to describe a species, or being used more generally to describe the san pedro group. There was a huge amount of variety there, and and least one that looks like what we call scopulicola, and some that look like what we call blue peruvianus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 Ah, just realised it's trout's page. Probably pretty precise use of the term pachanoi then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tripsis Posted July 20, 2011 True, it doesn't really seem to match up to any of those exactly, but it looks quite similar in its overall morphology. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 bit Posted July 20, 2011 Pretty standard pachanoi in my opinion. Pachanoi often grow the very long spines on very old growth (ie 5+ years old), especially when in the ground. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 20, 2011 I'd love to hear MS Smith's opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Evil Genius Posted July 20, 2011 If i would have to guess, i´d say its a very old Pachanoi! Oval Areoles? Cant really see that with my bad eyes. I doubt its Knuthianus. I have one thats about the same size and it has a diffrent spination than the one in the first pics. The Body looks Peruvianoid while the spines indicate something else. bye Eg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 PD. Posted July 22, 2011 Can you gat a pic of the motherplant budgerum? I think that would be most helpful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 budgerum Posted July 24, 2011 Can you gat a pic of the motherplant budgerum? I think that would be most helpful. Thanks guys for your thoughts and opinions so far. I went back to the motherplant today and could only get a couple of pics before the heavens opened up. Hope they help.But I did get some more cuttings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ballzac Posted July 24, 2011 "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tripsis Posted July 24, 2011 That's a pretty classic looking T. peruvianus to me. Beautiful plant! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey guys I was recently got some cuttings off a 30+yrs cactus that was about 4m high. Hoping you can ID it for me. The older branches have 8 ribs.Sorry about the poor quality pics.
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