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On 07/01/2021 at 1:05 AM, Buttsack said:Hey just wanting your opinion on the legality of selling p.viridis leaf, caapi leaf/bark and catha leaves as art material or anything but food? Coz as fas as I understand it's only prohibited according to "Australia New Zealand Food Standards Code – Schedule 23 – Prohibited plants and fungi", and only caapi and catha fall under that, but p.viridis isn't there, so as long as it's not food and not prohibited under other legislation it seems all good to me.
Oh yeah and Torsten if you check your messages you'll see I actually asked you about this. So it's not like I haven't tried to get clear answers before posting in the fb group.
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10 hours ago, Torsten said:I linked him to the NSW drug act. Apparently that wasn't accurate enough. Someone who can't find the word harmaline in a document that was provided to them should probably not question other's interpretation of the law as they are ill equipped to do so.
Dude P.Incarnata has harmine in it but is legal to sell as a food so your reasoning for caapi being illegal doesn't add up. You didn't seem to want to discuss these types of discrepancies though and tried putting me down instead.
10 hours ago, Torsten said:I should also mention that he thought unharvested weed was not a drug and that it is legal to grow poppies. He also claimed that the rules can't be found anywhere, so I pointed out that googling 'poppies legality' will serve him the answer as the first hit. Obviously has no idea how to search, how to read, or how to comprehend, but doesn't believe anything he's told.
Lol oh ffs here we go again, your comprehension skills really suck. Here's what I said:
"You can have a pound of weed on the plant and you won't be charged for a pound, you'll be charged for one plant, so I think you're missing my point. Poppy seed is sold in stores, never said poppy pods were legal. Plenty of people use poppy seed for their opium fix, but I can see your argument about them being viable seeds. It'd be nice if the legislation was laid out to read. It's obviously not so black and white with caapi which is why you haven't shared any links, I mention poppies and you're all over it though..
I've searched the forums and get about as much info as you are giving me"
10 hours ago, Torsten said:A quick look at his FB timeline told me all I needed to know about where my time is better spent.
Hahaha this actually tells me a lot about you and your beliefs, thanks for sharing that.
10 hours ago, -RC- said:" In Australia, the harmala alkaloids are scheduled substances, including harmine and harmaline; however, the living vine, or other source plants are not scheduled in most states. In the State of Queensland as of March 2008,[9] this distinction is now uncertain. In all states, the dried herb may or may not be considered a scheduled substance, dependent on court rulings. "
...........so yeah....not so black and white.
As far as I can tell if it's not to be consumed and not sold to be consumed then there isn't an issue. If you make a brew or extract then that's where things become illegal, same as scoring poppies vs them just growing. Cannabis leaf, plants and THC are all separate in the scheduling and if you get done for weed they charge you accordingly, you don't get charged for the amount of THC in the leaves, which is the reasoning Torsten seems to be using.
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So before Torsten blocked me he said;
" The legislation is laid out to read. All legislation is online. I check it all the time. "
but wouldn't send me a link and was arrogant about it.
Me: Dude if it were black and white where all your legislation then?
Reply by Torsten: You're a fact resistant idiot. I couldn't be bothered. I already told you all legislation is online. On the government website.
Me: unmute me in the group and I won't post any sales. I wanna ask more info about legality
Me: Goose chases aren't for me
Torsten: sorry, I am not your educator and I can see you will only spread misinformation in the group. I'll make the mute permanent.
Me: Nah but you have an opinion based on something you won't share....seems a bit rude to me
Then I was blocked...
So according to Torsten I'm a fact resistant idiot, but I'm honestly yet to see any fact. It's also apparently been discussed plenty of times in the forums but I can't find anything stating legislation?
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So what's the verdict, anyone seen either of these plants in circulation?
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On 19/01/2021 at 11:17 AM, Groot said:I know this is an old thread, not really wanting any free plants but would be great to meet some of the local SAB members
Find a property to use and organize your own meet, greet and trade day. Spend the money you would otherwise spend on plants on food for the day, everyone is happier with a full belly.
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On 12/01/2021 at 7:23 AM, fyzygy said:I wonder if there would be enough interest here to cooperatively purchase the Master Pack ($1600) ...
That's a lot of seed, I was mainly interested in the pure pach's, and even then there's a fair few different crosses, so would need a few people, but yeah I'd be keen if enough others were keen to split it.
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3 hours ago, ENtiTY said:Thanks very much
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On 05/01/2021 at 8:51 AM, Humboldt said:Unfortunately he hasn't been online since November so what to do?
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On 06/01/2021 at 10:24 AM, Change said:probably should join the circle jerk brother.....
sure, the initiation ritual might get a little sticky for the light hearted
but after the first couple of times youll really start to enjoy it
haha which circle jerk is that? It'd be nice if it was the one where people sell 1000 lw seeds for $150
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Once upon a time I was seeing loph and tricho seeds for sale at prices like $150 for 1000, or $50 for 300. What's the go, how come this isn't the case anymore or where can I find hot deals like those these days?
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125x seeds for $35 including postage.
I have 5 Catha Edulis trees growing so you will receive 25 seeds from each tree (125 seeds total). Not sure of the variety.
Postage will be in a padded envelope.
Picture 2 is of germinated seeds after being left in the bag I used to collect some seeds about a week before, inside of bag was slightly moist from the rain and left outside in shade.
Unfortunately pics won't upload without making the pics smaller so I'm not gunna worry about it unless someone wants to see the mother plants.
If you're interested message me here or email me [email protected]
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You might get some luck from your local markets if there are people there who sell tube stock. Saw 3 vendors just recently who has several varieties of acacia's available. Maybe even your local landcare might be able to help.
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also on the hunt
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On 24/11/2020 at 10:26 PM, SayN said:Frankly, I think everyone's being a little bit harsh on you buttsack. And to your credit, you're taking it well. You do, however, seem to be concerned over some trivial stuff. Just chill a bit.
I guess we're all very sensitive about this place and when someone even remotely criticises it we get defensive. It certainly has mellowed over the years but dying? ... nah - don't say that. And who wants to be considered a (circle) jerk? I've met, and continue to meet, some great people through this site and happy it lives on in whatever form.
But if you're just here for trading then perhaps there are indeed better places. I haven't found them yet though and the idea of facebook just turns me off.
It's all good. I probably did come off a bit harsh with the 'circle jerk' comment but that's just an easy way to describe things and I'm the first to admit if I'm part of one, like being at a party full of guys and calling it a sausage fest, there's no malice intended, just call it like I see it. Most differed opinions come with backlash so it's to be expected really.
Wile E. Peyote sums up what's happening with the forums nicely, not just this one. I'm sure someone will come up with a new platform that beats fb and even traditional forums, I was just hoping there'd be one already happening. Maybe 'stagnant' is more accurate than 'dying', either way there's no noticeable growth and the activity that used to be here has quietened down a lot. It's not a jab at these forums, just pointing out what I see. Dying can be a very slow process for some, and it can be seen way ahead of time through their actions, or lack of it. People in society don't seem to like to admit these things so they can be remedied, instead they take offense and push away what they view as 'naysayers'. I find it's best to take all criticism on board, learn from it and move on. Some might seem to exaggerate, but that's their perspective, and one's own perspective is quite complex. Not making assumptions is the best way to avoid conflict.
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12 hours ago, waterboy 2.0 said:Why is it always folk that say it's dying here usually those that either have contributed little themselves or have a personal beef because they can't get something they are after immediately.... Or stamping their feet after paying out on a few members and leaving, can't forget those ones, they are my favourites
I'm here for the trades mostly, so that's where my contribution goes. Nice analogy though.
8 hours ago, Glaukus said:Maybe they can all get together with Sally and start somewhere they can fawn over Qanon, Trump and anti-vaxxing.
I hear Parler is recruiting...
"Qanon, Trump and anti-vaxxing" along with corona, masks, censorship and politics being shoved in my face are all reasons to stay off facebook, it should be obvious by now that I have a distaste towards it.
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On 21/11/2020 at 9:40 PM, Torsten said:The trichocereus auction group has had about 9000 sales in 17 months. Of those just 12 were rip offs (and the offenders have been removed). But yes, you were definitely going to get ripped for a few bucks for seed just because someone wasn't going to cater to your whims (seems a familiar theme).
" I never asked you to cater for me "
Out of almost 7000 members you are just the 5th to make a personal request to be approved. And the first to follow this up closely with an impatient whine on the forums. Definitely Karen status
Most wouldn't even have a clue they're being ripped off, especially with seed. For you not to think it's suss that a seller not answer a few simple questions is a bit off, maybe ignorance sits better with you than with me.
Only reason I sent a message is coz I honestly thought it was more of a closed off group, hence me letting you know I've been an SAB member for years. Nice to know you keep note of messages you ignore, makes me feel better about posting here. 5 people out of 7000 aren't afraid to communicate with randoms, or maybe you've been faster at accepting people, who knows.
5 hours ago, withdrawl clinic said:sab is now, one of the oldest, most continuing psychotropic plant forums on this planet!
topic starter, i don't think highly of you.
this forum is a tree of knowledge, go some where else (if you find), you nest shitter!
These forums are great but still dying, both can be had at the same time.
Haha nice to see how far your thoughts stretch when you judge someone.
Ha I haven't been shitting anywhere round here. It's a tree of knowledge and a good layout for it, but there's nowhere near as much contributing as there used to be, hence dying.
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21 hours ago, Torsten said:I approve SAB FB group about once a week. Delays mean most spammer accounts drop off in the meantime, which is important as I no longer check each profile. Some weeks i get busy and skip it. And guess what, I can be busy on FB or even here and still not be obliged to cater to your whims.
Glad you got accepted into all those other groups so it won't matter how long this one takes.
"cater to your whims" lol I never asked you to cater for me, and I can't see what would make you obliged to cater to anyone's whims. There's no rush at all, do it in a month if you want for all I care, I've already started looking elsewhere, but like others have stated, there's not much to choose from, hence having to ask here in the first place.
20 hours ago, Humboldt said:On the plus side, (regards trading) maybe a more reliable, smaller core of people is a good thing. Less bum trades
Indeed but less active users and less to trade. I haven't had any bum trades through the internet yet, you can tell the suspects from a mile off after a few questions.
10 hours ago, Wile E. Peyote said:I'd suggest the Trichocereus Auctions Australia FB group but it's the same group of circle jerkers
Not so much a circle jerk but plenty of potential bum traders. First guy I questioned about his seeds wouldn't show me pics of his mother plants, tells me seeds are fresh but won't say how old exactly when asked. So gave minimal info and dodged questions but expected me to work off his reputation in the group. Seemed dodgy as.
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13 hours ago, Torsten said:Wow, a whole week? That's scandalous!! Let me drop everything just to make sure you are not inconvenienced Karen.
Over a week...closer to 2 weeks. It's not like you're not active there, or here. Wasn't hard to make a comment on here, same as it wouldn't be hard to accept hoards of people through facebook at a time. So in reality the "Karen" comment falls on you, since you're being over the top about something that is perfectly reasonable, and my circle jerk comment is rings more true... 90% of groups have accepted my request within a week, if they don't then it's usually a closed community, hence circle jerk.
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Where's good to trade/buy plants besides here? These forums seem to be dying.
Tried to join the SAB group on fb but been waiting for over a week to be accepted, messaged Torsten as well to no avail. Seems like a bit of a circle jerk if it's that hard to join, so looking for alternatives. -
Have khat seeds or caapi cuttings to trade, or money of course.
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MCT coconut oil, CBD oil (full spectrum is best or even THC is good if can't get CBD on it's own), hemp seed oil, hemp seeds, aloe vera gel straight form the plant (no skin or sap), lugol's iodine and microdosing mushrooms will all help feed the brain nutrients it needs. If I had PD I'd be into Ginko Biloba too along with diatomacious earth, good for clearing parasites so will indirectly help imo.
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Caapi vine
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I have a heap of dried vine, PM'd you.
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I have a heap of seeds on the way. I'll let ya know when I have some ready, maybe a few weeks. Not 100% sure of the strain, white or red, but will investigate more.
Where's the legislation on caapi legality?
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Huh? If laws are written and miss something they amend them after so the next person doesn't get off so easy, especially if there's a big media storm over it. Of course the magistrate has to let you off if they can't prove beyond reasonably doubt that you broke the law.
My argument still stands, I haven't found an exemption for it in The Poisons Standard. Passionflower is okay to be sold as a food according to the TGA. So is that what you're getting at, if it's listed somewhere else as okay then that overrides the other law?
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021C00098/Html/Text#_Toc62808226
Under Schedule 9
"HARMALA ALKALOIDS except in herbs, or preparations, for therapeutic use:
a) containing 0.1 per cent or less of harmala alkaloids; or
So to prove someone was selling harmala illegally they'd have to test it right?
What if the caapi strain is really low on harmala alkaloids or non existent?
So you're saying that if they can't identify the material as cannabis they'll do more testing to see the THC content? For liquids maybe but never heard of that for plant material. If a botanist can only identify 70% of the material seized as cannabis then that's what you get charged for, I think it's still counted as a whole, but the judge takes that into account.
Where's all the people that have been charged for it? Got any court references? Surely there'd be a heap by now..
You haven't really said much to paint it as a black and white, still very grey to me. I get not wanting it to be sold on your platform and no worries, but at least be clear about your rules before shutting people up, I didn't even get notifications for the first post so of course I'd post it again. FB has even cracked down on how people sell things, can't list anything that's not food approved as a food, can still sell things as whatever though, just don't go making claims along side it.