The Dude

I don't find the mental manipulation of the masses a trivial matter. In fact, I think hollywood is one of the greatest wmd's! Weapons of mass deception! You under appreciate the hypnotic, opinion forming and magical allure of the silver screen. If they had cast white actors talking english with native american accents it'd be easier to see for a bullshit fictitious story. The use of native american actors talking the traditional language set in real locations with amazing set and costume designs lend the movie some kind of "authenticity" like the setting and the people were well researched beforehand so that the fictitious story seems to at least be based on facts. The contrast of brutal violence with the serene peace of the ships on the horizon carrying the christian message of salvation, or the apocalypse (lifting of the veil), is much too suggestive to see as 'trivial'. In no uncertain terms Gibson says that the traditional mayan culture is primitive, brutal and mislead by their beliefs and the only way to lift this illusory veil is through the brainwashing of christianity!? (don't get me wrong I love jeebus and the whole christian thing; when there is a lucid experience of holy communion with the spirit of interconnected wisdom, not some propaganda tale). Hollywood = a mass ritual magically affecting the populace who partake in the ritual, the level of awareness limits the effectiveness of the ritual, it's most effective when the populace is asleep. Hollywood is again a great revelation of how we are directed by the ritual, an apocalypse all of its own, so long as you're awake to see it.

Is "Apocalypto" Pornography?

Would be good to have a look at this study. I find that odd as American Spirit is marketed as additive free, could there be something in the tobacco itself that makes it a free-base? after some kind of processing, thereby keeping the no-additive rule they apparently give themselves? AFAIK freebases vaporise easier and are more active as a smoke? Maybe it's not such a bad thing. I mean the method of ingestion is still smoking it. It wouldn't be like the difference between snorting and smoking it or anything, so the potential for addiction is still the same I would assume (being the same method of ingestion). May as well call cigarettes crack tobacco though, as they got all the goodness out of the drug to make it as strong and addictive as possible, leaving no lasting satisfaction only the craving for more. I'm most definitely addicted to the buzz of tobacco, especially good tobacco. Although I wonder how chewing tobacco or pituri or other alternatives would do me. hehe get me some coca leaf and I'll be buzzing for sure! Funny how growing your own is illegal, who are they protecting? us or financial interests? Whinging to the choir I know... but how have they got away with this for so long? I've got no trouble supporting my local illegal tobacco grower if they didn't all taste so bad.

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A monopoly on truth is dangerous, so I like what I'm reading. Only thing that's a bit questionable is what kind of safeguards are there to make sure the whistleblowers are genuine if they are to remain protected by their anonymity? It would be irresponsible to throw them to the wolves for their need of a scapegoat/martyr like Bradley Manning. There are a few very questionable elements to the Assange wikileaks stuff going on (most notably the mass media coverage) that has me very suss on it as a psy-op and false flag to have us demand "more security" from our "benefactors" in government. I still support what he's [meant to be] doing, just not how he's doing it, still like you said Yeti, the focus on this character has conveniently distracted us from the bigger picture yet again. Only thing I disagree with you Yeti is your apparent labeling of "the truth movement" (for lack of a better term) as the left. I disagree with the left/right paradigm and tell it to fuck off with the middle finger!

Openleaks, a new secret-government-document-leaking site and WikiLeaks rival is set to launch on Monday, according to a report from Swedish newspaper DN.se. The new website is founded by former members of WikiLeaks who were unhappy with its leader, Julian Assange. [link]

Aren't they all? Given Assanges affiliations and that his "un-biased" but public opinions is that the official 9/11 story is true and that he doesn't bother with stupid conspiracy theories; that there is nothing sinister about the Bilderberg Meetings and they're all fine and dandy, I doubt he's working for "our side". The selectivity of releases and self censorship of this "un-biased" source of info, that's my gripe. "Un-biased and transparent" it's a lovely idea but it's not as it appears to be, as soon as the leaks are there they should be made public, no matter what reasons are invented for their timed release, like an insurance policy. I think he's affiliated well enough to not have to die for our sins and the apparent persecution is only there to get us on-side. He's in no real danger, he's just playing his role. Seriously if this guy supports the official story about 9/11 and sees nothing sinister in the Bilderberg Meetings then I'd be careful about the opinions formed due to his selective and pointed leaks. ...Having said all that, his imprisonment and the crack down on "cyber-terrorism" is part of the steady eradication of our free, uncensored internet (where all other channels are already controlled). The D.O.S attack on the bank institutions by an unknown group of underground hacker activists conveniently called 'anonymous' (so that anyone can claim affiliation with the group whether they do good or cause chaos as pretext to make the internet more "secure") are carrying out a virtual false flag and are part of the intricate conspiracy. Wikileaks - A Big, Dangerous US Government Con Job I do not support Assange or wikileaks but I support freedom of speech and transparency and that is what's on trial, so I support his case in that this is what it represents. The conspiracy is targeting this movement in particular to get us complacent in this instance as he "doesn't deserve our support" he is a corporate stooge, but what he's supposedly fighting for deserves our total support. a word from the wise.

"Shepherds and sheep" right is wrong bud is bong the dead silence sings a song sex is violence life is death it rolls along with every breath the worm is the bird the shepherd is the herd are you listening? or haven't you heard? the meaning is the word the food is in the turd the shell is how you tell who it really is in the cell no symboliteracy; we stand under a spell it's written on the walls all over hell in such cases freedom is easy to sell we spit in cyphers so we can decypher just what the hell is going wrong improvise like mcguyver 'n make a bomb time ticks over and leeches my spirit it gonna kill me or ima kill it i'll starve it to death paperthin skin like meth it shall dwell in my mind no longer can tell the ocean swell is stronger it doesn't matter it's all wrong has been all along but it's alright so nevermind, the truth is a lie apocalyptic cyclopse with one eye tumultuous oceans reflect the calm light an ordered commotion in my face and outta sight as i saw the sun set, horus slaughtered by seth transfiguration a torturous process to find a free will one must be possessed the right path couldn't be any more left still i multiply my fish with every last breath things difficult to understand seem beyond my command now is a memory of the time before it got out of hand if total control is your ultimate goal than information is the power to save your soul listen to sophia wisdom she whispers for hours i sold my cow and now... got all the beans, nowhere to spill it cuz y'all aint listenin' don't wanna hear it? its like you am i, i remember guy, i used to fear it shouldn't have let you drive, now I'll steer it clear them cataracts of fear and allthatcrap cuz near the television are your handicapped kids with no vision who will remain entrapped in a division sub category section only the fascists shiny boot to see a reflection the flipside will be the point of inflection some would go so far as to say christs ressurection although upon examination, upon closer inspection it maybe lucifer, dawn of the morning, that wins the election call the entity evil or satanic, he's just demonised a bit lost himself, a really misunderstood guy it explains the stealth and the panic, he's just shy it's hard for him to explain himself, he can't see why hubris falling from the sky cast off this dead weight and fly tomorrow's a new day! i wish you many cheers and good health! remember to pray to your higher self or the idols on your shelf forget the taxes you pay, you owe yourself freedom is free! Just fuckin' relax okay!? quit worrying yourself and everyone else don't take my word for it though because all I say is a lie maybe it will help you see truth that's the only reason why

rahli "It will more likely make us all more paranoid, doubtful and defensive leading us further away from the ideal." +1 dr dognutz "We are supposed to see these things... because to the average joe it doesnt matter whats in these cables, he doesnt want to watch the cow killed but he will happily take his steak." +1 This whole wikileaks episode is very subversive propaganda targeting "the truth movement", everyone else is too apathetic to care, they've already got Obama care anyway. Seeing as most "truth seekers" see past the facade of Obama as a saviour figure, this particular folk hero doesn't convince us, what WE need is an underdog. “We always give the people their heroes.” - Albert Pike. Follow the yellow brick road... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-tvJyPGvc

ditto, just change to and from location. Bit late now, always leave everything too late!

The last post you made actually made sense and didn't call for hate, aggression, violence and death. Don't we all feel that much better now? I totally agree with every point you made in that post! ...well apart from the real life effect that our emotions have on our surroundings. Feeling positive and centred and confident allows you to ACT in such a way and changes the emotional state of those around you - possibly allowing them to act positively too. Feeling downtrodden and hateful and powerless might just have you kill someone to feel powerful again. In fact that seems to be the modus operandi of war - nothing to do with security or revenge, it's a vicarious power trip. Passive resistance to the system, active assistance of our communities. I think we can all agree on that... unless your a fascist capitalist swine.

I will say that giving as much as you can back, as well as remaining in a stable centred state of mind, whilst maintaining compassion and empathy but not malice and weakness is the only way forward to positive change. (saying that I could give a lot more) From my own personal experience typically "negative" emotions drain me of energy and the ability to make any meaningful positive change. And i can not be happy when feeling hateful. If I remember to remember to remain mindful and I become conscious of this emotional trap I've set up for myself I can easily climb out again and I feel I've learned from it, whereas had I just ran with it I'd also learn but it'd be a more dramatic lesson. Consider the effects of world war II. The german people got into some real bad scapegoating and got manipulated by these forces. Now we can all say at least we learned a lesson. But haven't we learned it a few times too many by now? I rather be productive than prejudiced. On a personal level I can see the effect that "sending my feelings of joy and love" has on my immediate surroundings, and i know the effectiveness of propagating hate is easy as hell when you feel weak and powerless and give your power to those you blame (it's an energy trade). This rhetoric if told to masses of people must have a compounding effect multiplying the draining feeling and lack of effectiveness I experience on a personal level. These may be new age ideas, I don't know how prone to suggestion my mind is. Apparently my personal experience of all this is seeded by your zionist conspiracy. I don't care if I'm right or wrong but I know I rather learn from my own experiences than other peoples ideas. I will say this, that in as much as wikileaks brings light to the shadows it is a force of good. However this double edged sword, through exposing these dark shadows can have people feel disillusioned in the morality of their governments and it could cause again these negative emotions to emotionally bash us into submission. I see it as an opportunity to lift the veil and stop believing lies. It maybe timed well to discredit certain governments and institutions and not others but surely the public should see it discredits all governments in the forms they take now.

The label was tongue in cheek. I'll put it this way, "freedom fighters" or "peace keepers" and not in the orwellian double speak sense. The fight is a constant struggle against our own daemons and the convenient projection of them onto some omnipotent conspiracy scapegoat so that we can sleep well at night knowing our hate is directed at the right place! ...and an extra super special wink to you Every time you speak hate, nay even feel hate (y'know all them lower vibrations in hippie talk) you co-conspire with the forces of evil. Become a "useful idiot" and don't even know of your complicity as you make an effort to instill hate by blaming some seemingly omnipotent political group. (or any scapegoat for that matter) Stop giving them the power, even just through your state of mind, even by trying to convince others that it's all their fault you make them more powerful as the almighty scapegoat of all your own misdirected projections - that they would happily direct at themselves as this gives them power over you. You can't hate and blame zionists for being weak and possessed by this negative energy allowing them to perform such atrocious acts, as doing so allows this energy to possess you as well. It's an eye for an eye that got us all half blind to begin with. It's all unconscious and a call to sleep and death, hey if you're feeling tired by it all then sleep well, I'm trying to wake up!

That explains the dutch renaissance with photo realism but skewed perspective -as they had to move the lense to get more of the scene into the camera obscura ("dark room" where we get the word camera from) but this would change the whole projection and perspective. The italian renaissance was developed through traditional means of observation with the naked eye without the use of such a tool. You can see the difference, the italian style has lots of 'infinite' perspectives and perfect proportions but the tonal quality and textures were not up to the realism of the dutch, whereas their proportion and perspective was all out of whack. I imagine they both helped each other develop. ...back to hyper realism, I don't really remember seeing any such pieces in the flesh but I'd imagine that if these are painted without the aid of a photo and only with the naked eye then the color reproduction may be closer to reality than photos. I guess like all art, it's to see what can be done, there is never a point to art, unless you see one. My favourite artistic movements are the ones where the point is to have no point, such as dada. I really like impressionism with their funky colours that aren't 100% natural but because of their composition and contrast with each other they play an optical illusion on the eyes that from a distance or when squinting .. when getting that first impression, looks very real. I agree with TI that using the skill set to create fantasy scenes would be .. fantastic. I just don't know how painting from a real life scene and the strict rules of representation could be transfered into the imaginary realm.. they'd need a great memory of the look of reality when transferring it into fantasy and then everything in the fantasy scene must contain this 'real' look about it so that means all the lights and shadows and reflections need to play off each other as they do in real life, I imagine it'd be really hard. Giger done a good job with his textures being photo real yet the forms are totally alien. Every artist who wishes to imitate life (even fantastically) needs to practice plenty of still life to know how to, so this artistic endeavor helps the whole artistic community get a benchmark on how to imitate the real with a brush and paint and not a photo. (photo manipulations are great but the freedom of painting is much greater than computers)

"Conspiracy to act alone" postponed living life until i got the theory right couldn't practice what i preached so i couldn't reach a grip on reality and when i did I couldn't hold it tight now I realise, it's an act actually i couldn't care any more dispassionately shapeshifters are shifty deceivers they pull the leavers so we can see the machinery no sympathy for the devil no fear no qualms for being here thank god for my choices that help me see clear illuminate the control panels and re-arrange the channels tweak the frequencies and bend the circuitry reel the line in and watch it unravel reality into threads imagined re-creatively based on a true story

"Addicted to dying" i'm addicted to dying! it's a crazy trip! you start inventing these hectic dramas made of imaginary associations and identities that you keep thinking of as reality it gets intense as you hold on to this reality for dear life when confronted with the giver of death the deluge envelopes your perception with quicksilver self referential reflections waves of irony cascade over the shell of your imaginary self as you dissolve into the non existent ocean of death ... bliss.... lets do that again!

Cheers for the replies guys! I'm happy you got something out of it! There was a time that I just felt strangely inspired writing these 'poems' relating to themes of confronting daemons and lucifer bringing light to the darkness, through the darkness itself bringing its own revelations (it must be concealed to be revealed). btotl, haven't you heard? well I thought everybody's heard botanica, yeah sure, just pay me the royalties hehe, yeah if you think it would work as a song go ahead, I'd be interested in hearing that actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGqE726OAo

What's with the timing of releases. This is what gets me suss on this whole thing being a facade of transparency and truth when in fact it is well timed diversion. I figured that as soon as they've got the information it should be released (after checking for sensitive information that would get people killed). Misdirection and slight of hand are all a magician needs. Being a supposed whistle blower and bringer of the truth we are enamored with his saviour style persona and swallow it all hook line and sinker. It's nice to have a strong person like Julian Assange to stick it to the man, way to go! You're my hero! Interesting article svarg26. I cannot condone the call to assassinate him though. Good to point out contrary viewpoints so long as they're not violent hate mongering as this hurts your credibility as a force for peace, especially amongst all us leftie pinkos.

W00t! I love going to these things! Stoked I got a ticket! Now I just gotta organise the rest, left it a bit late! I guess Herbal Hindsight is the only other Adelaide-ian going (well at least posting on the forums) but I may as well ask if anybody from adelaide is driving up there, We could split the driving and petrol money. Otherwise I'll probably catch a coach cuz Tiger airways are pathetic, as much as I really enjoy flying (dream about being on a plane almost every other night). Can't wait for the knowledge bomb and chillin' with ma peeps! -Oh yeah, where's everyone staying at? May as well chill with ya at the backpackers you're all at.

Only dumb people say that

YES! [edit] ... it depends how you look at it. I'm a nihilist, I disbelieve therefore I'm not. [edit again] I think the universe is always looking at itself. I mean when you play peekaboo with kids and close their eyes they might think it disappears.. and it may just as well in their case, but there's always an observer somewhere. I suppose the YOUniverse disappears when YOU cease to observe it.

Everyone pushing for prohibition is either a naive puritanical imbecile that has no place in policy making decisions or is well aware of the funding of black budgets through such illegal sources propping up their whole facade of an authority with all the influence these riches can buy. It is a mafia capitalising on the situation as a source of funding, a way to exacerbate the 'drug problem' which will require a hard line restriction of more personal freedoms and having created said problem, a convenient scapegoat of drop out druggies to blame for the chaos in the streets, which again buys more votes which allows them to make policy decisions which will create their drug problem, create the devil and create a saviour situation for them to save us again by repeating the whole process. Apart from maybe some fundamentalist christians stuck a few centuries back, these politicians are well educated on the cause and effects of societies problems (namely how to manipulate society into needing politicians), so their self righteous act of a moral high ground and altruistic desire to save us from ourselves, is a spit in the face of decency and humanity as they pretend to offer paradise but know well these policies deliver us to hell (narco-terrorism, state-terrorism, wars etc.) Zen hit the nail on the head. Unless we feel empowered to just call them out on their bullshit, we'll keep playing along with it and hate on the scapegoats of a problem which is wholly engineered.