The Dude

DERP!

Great quotes svarg26 Chavez is a self important dictator who suppresses any dissident thought in his freedom loving Chavocracy, his quote is still apt. (I agree with what he stands for just not who he's standing on). Isn't it the economy and capitalism which squanders our resources? Isn't it that carrot and stick mentality which has us chasing our tails wondering why we're left so exhausted having gotten no where? Why do we overproduce and waste so much? "at Western living standards". You mean being stuck on a treadmill with the rest of your buddies to power some made up system of pure vampiric suckyness. It's these standards that kill the planet, nobody suggests we all adopt them! Nice try WD, but I don't see the issues of economic vampirism and the drainage of mother natures blood to be separate at all! Viewing the world economically is intimately related with our subsequent rape and pillage of it. To capitalise on nature is to be disconnected from it (like selling out your own mum!), the left hand stealing from the right and just flushing everything down the toilet, I guess if that's the western standard then no it won't last long.

Incognito is my favourite female member of sab. Right after that japanese girl teotz! Oh yeah freeman on the land doesn't work. I should know, I'm a cop!

Food, Water, Energy. Food grows from the ground thanks to that thing in the sky (which won't fall btw). Now don't worry; that thing in the sky (the sun) won't disappear forever, it just does that sometimes to scare you. Then those of us older than a day old remember it will come back again tomorrow. Water is some miracle and a half as well! It just falls from the sky! Together with the sun they grow food from the ground! Teamwork! The life which grows from the dirt goes back to the dirt and the cycle is complete. It keeps growing and growing, changing form but the energy never dies. I don't know where the energy comes from but something keeps the clockwork of the universe in motion. Finite resources? closed systems? People need to think outside the box perhaps. The scientific method is brilliant for describing what's in the box. It won't be a doomsday description that invents a creative solution for this problem. Problem solving always involves thinking outside the box. I don't think it could be an authority of any sort that tells you to save yourself. Growing food is a type of perpetual motion machine with a constant, effectively never ending power supply in the sun. Water will keep falling from the sky and all these other rare elements in our computers and mobile phones are only a necessity because of the market for fancy little toys. Does anybody really NEED an I-pad? Our lifestyle is what costs us so much. And the philosophy of capitalism and fake scarcity, and of course designed obsolescence to sell the next best thing, so also a throw away culture, where 20 years ago things were still built to last. And our addiction to the most dirtiest source of energy in fossil fuels is pathetic. It's pathetic that oil merchants are allowed to sell their wares let alone run the world with it (and every piece of shit product derived from fossil fuels). Alternate power sources would have been employed as the standard ages ago if we didn't need a villain to run the world so the hero can save the day! It is the simple life of DIY that becomes exciting! Consumer culture is just boring, yet strangely hypnotic! So we must break this spell, all the other blocks will fall into place with that natural intuition of the survival instinct. Academics are well researched on the horror of the world. I still like to dream. Of course being a scientist, ever the realist, if confronted with an idealist with the sunshine still in their eyes remind them that it is night and there is imminent doom, you have the facts and figures to prove it. So what is so harmful about svarg26's apparently naive posts? All he does is promote growing your own to save the day (sure there are other factors like our whole dependence on the economy which strangles our energy and survival potential, but there's nothing at all WRONG about his point that we should grow our own). Perhaps such a "naive" exuberance to save the day "with my own two hands" and the contagious spread of such enthusiasm is more beneficial than the effect of your well researched, academically sound, totally cross-reference-able and conclusive proof that we are doomed would have on the collective state of apathy and inaction many of us find ourselves in today. If everything is so connected in the ecologist view and there are all these variables that us laymen will not understand have you ever considered the ever elusive and completely hidden variable of the psyche? What effect our state of mind (faith/doubt) has on the physical manifestation of our hopes and fears? It is good to spell out the pitfalls but advocating doom is pure silly. You don't say, "listen we have a tough road ahead of us these are the problems" you say, "yeah we got to cull the population". We'll go for the easiest yet most brutal option (like we have been for our whole history on this planet it seems - sacrificing lives to the god of superstitious or scientific belief, either way just man made delusions). Making such a conclusion, especially if shared by our demi-gods the scientific community, this feeling of doom could lead to apathy and inaction within the collective which will lead to an exacerbation of the issue and ultimately a dramatic cessation to the problem (wars / eugenics / mother nature kicking us out.) Perhaps our beacons of all true knowledge (in the western mind), the scientific community could provide some kind of future trajectory to take, engage the right hemisphere a bit in some kind of creative solution we can all get behind. Doom maybe a popular idea but it just sucks the energy out of everyone. Hope energises everyone to take the necessary steps to survive, instead of just waiting to die. The Dude's 5 step plan. 1. Grow your own 2. Collect and filter your rain water 3. Generate your own power (this is the tough one) 4. Tell your neighbours 5. Tell the world. Before commencing any of this be sure to switch off your tv and stay away from the consumerist temples. Be mindful of any bullshit and remain eternally vigilant when confronted with the scary face of doom. You can do it! If you believe you can or you believe you can't, in both cases you are right - Henry Ford (paraphrase)

The question on the "reality" of these beings seems to need proof of their independent existence "out there". What if "out there" is the lie. Who's gonna prove it to you.. someone out there? I guess we're all very convincing actors playing the role that I'm not you and you aren't me. The make believe fantasy of separation cuz being the one and only one can become lonely, my greatest fear.

From what I remember he had headphones on and was simply running or even only jogging to catch his train. A travesty of justice anyway you look at it though.

...Also, the market suggests we create and consume much more than we need. That's the whole idea of selling stuff. In the end it's a control game defined by the dictates of the almighty dollar, economies strangle self sustainability through putting a cost and market on everything and presenting everything in those terms, If it's not profitable it won't work. I know of a few conglomerates who would lose all their profit through suggesting self sustainable living. We simply don't need as much food as we have, especially considering most of it is thrown away because the transport and distribution costs of giving away free food eats into the profit margin. It is a twisted fucking joke. Money, a tool for our convenience in trading is now the end all and be all of our whole fucking lives, even more important than our lives. A tool for convenience has us as its' tools for omnipotent control. We overproduce, and waste most of it to serve the dollar, that means we overwork and people still starve to death. Efficiency is key. I'm wondering who's interests these schools of thought are serving. Especially when presented so 'academically' where I don't have any clue about these models so I can't even bother discussing them. Being a layman in such concepts and their terminology I'll withdraw from the discussion and I've basically 'lost' the debate. It just seems too complicated to pick apart and find a fault in the proposed theory; sort of like the functioning of the world economy or the functioning of our political and legal systems, or all the models that prove global warming is caused by untaxed co2. Sometimes it seems they're made more complicated on purpose, so that us laymen can't see through the layers of bullshit that essentially cover up a scam. Of course we're all doomed though! cuz doom is profitable! In other words I can't discuss, I'll put it simply: de-centralisation of all power, DIY, and consume a fuckload less, or don't take from the planet what you're just going to waste. Problem solved.

We're talking bout subs right? Yeah I haven't seen any spraying lately, haven't been looking for them lately either. I can barely manage to get up and down the steep hills pushing my way through all the bushes, I'd like to see someone go spray the area, for a laugh they'd be having so much trouble! I spose I could get out more.

So how about this whole Self sustainable living off the land and not needing to rely on farmers? Isn't the whole market to blame anyway? With the vast resources needed to market and sell something and create convenience, at the cost of transportation and refrigeration and lighting and human resources to sell the stuff? Isn't that why we go to jobs so we can have money to buy things conveniently cuz a self sustainable house is way more effort than working 9-5 for most of the year so you can enjoy your 'convenience'? Why haven't I got my water powered car yet? Couldn't we clean our ecological footprint by having more clean energy for processes like desalination, or the use of fungi or other organisms that can clean up oil spills amongst other things. What's the deal with the discoveries of Tesla that were all quickly suppressed because they could never be profitable (wireless electricity). Is that one of the magic solutions that fell out of the sky and was quickly covered up with bullshit? Is the need to kill each other some primordial impulse? The occult law that life feeds off life, and through the shedding of blood there is a renewal of life. Must we always sacrifice each other to carry out the will of the highest authority promising us salvation through this very act? How 'primitive' the ancients were yet we carry out the same with even more ridiculous justifications (war, eugenics, depopulation are all justified for survival) "We've spent the capital instead of living off the interest". I think it's time to stop living in debt and getting more credit. We need to create real capital through effort alone and stop buying time, there's no return, it's a bad investment.

I don't see how such could be enforced legally. Patents are regarding intellectual property and they cannot claim ownership of a living thing as intellectual property. Seeds and plants have existed and been put in use in society for longer than they haven't, as far as I know this makes it public property. Even if a species is totally new to our society it is not a man made invention, it is natural and you cannot claim ownership. I mean it's the same as patenting the genome.. what did they come up with the genome did they? It's just impossible and the patent office if it takes their money, has become a farce. Even if the patents exist you'd have to be a right proper tool to enforce the exclusive ownership of nature, as some kind of intellectual property (which it is not). *sigh* The gestapo doesn't care what new policies they need to enforce, even if they break the law.

I've heard these old wives tales for a while. They're all sprayed, so you kids just run along now, and stay away from my patch!

Who cares if they own 100% of commercial seed stocks, the idea is to not buy them and pool seed resources as a community, you know the whole giving freely thing, the way the plants do it? Unfortunately people still don't believe in the whole giving freely thing. "Unless I pay money for it it's probably worthless, so thanks for the free seeds but I'll just buy these here instead." The danger is in contamination and the inability to grow natural seeds, also regarding "chemtrails", the GM seeds would have defenses against Aluminium, Barium, etc.. whereas the natural plants now growing would effectively be high altitude crop dusted out of existence. - That or they'll just be poisonous as all hell for us to consume. I'm sure monsanto undercuts the market to have their seeds sold exclusively, if they take a hold there's no turning back. Although I still have faith in chaotic nature adapting and throwing the devil back in his hole.

I doubt jesus was a real figure. Rather I think a group of enlightened thinkers who wandered the lands preaching their message of truth and light and hope and everlasting awesomeness that is a proper appreciation of reality used the character as a composite, or an archetype of transcendent being. That is we are all one in jesus as jesus is one in all of us, it is a symbol of union, or the unity of multiplicity. The death and resurrection is the drama of this one being perceiving an apparent separation of self, only to come back to unity, not in the personal sense of the jesus being, in the transpersonal sense of the eternal being, of which everything is. Given the holographic nature of reality this drama can be interpreted in many a way. This personal drama is reflected in the totally alien and impersonal cycles of planetary/solar/astrological movements (in fact in all cycles of nature), it is as if our interpretation forms reality, or reality inspires such an interpretation of the one story told in multiple ways. It is an anthropomorphism of the constantly changing (and forever the same) clockwork of nature into something we can relate to. ... [edit] Jesus is the name given to the archetype of the wandering mystic who teaches through symbolic allegory, the one who initiates you into the language of the mysteries. The sun is often equated with bringing life and light/wisdom, in this way the being is easily associated with solar worship (of course this is just one incarnation of the eternal being represented by the character jesus.. who is a lie that points toward truth). There are counterparts to this wandering teacher in other cultures too, yet nobody even thinks of their literal reality because they're feathered serpents with white beards (symbolising ancient knowledge.. or gnosis). Or some other magical being we can't take seriously with our literal minds. Understanding jesus story literally starts to become convoluted and un-understandable due to inconsistencies - the same critique of inconsistencies wouldn't be applied to different artistic styles representing a still life, they're painting the same thing, differently, and we can all understand that it's an interpretation, not a photograph. The symbols which point to a transcendence of symbols are encoded in the literal, physical "real" reality. Numbers like 12, 13 and 26 and certain symbolic motifs repeat. This mystification of the mundane (literal numbers and physical constructs) is the doorway to gnosis. This does not take away from the infinite and undefined aspect of the unknowable, it merely points to the mystery of the known. That the symbol is the transcendent and vice versa. It is a knowledge of the dual nature of being which allows one to stop jumping between literal and symbolic and see them as incarnations of the same ineffable unity. (unsure if that last paragraph makes sense *headscratch*)

It's the christmas season, so any time is a good time to spread the cheer! Cheers! God bless us, everyone!

Ask this guy. ...Or this guy in the shirt.

chat cunt (btw these are multiple words now... meh)

To me the subconscious is only scary because it's hidden and utterly unknowable. That doesn't mean you can't try to get to know it. The trickster god of chaos will always confound ones understanding and the control trip of order that is ego cannot pin this down, this forever unknown aspect of reality is abhorrent to all that the ego stands for, so to retain that original sense of self one must hide from anything that would challenge that, like the notion that No you aren't in total control of your world view, it's called chaos, you can hide from it or embrace it. more 2c

Be that as it may, the metaphor of sticking your head in the ground to hide from a scary truth still applies. I think the ostrich may do that to cool its head actually?

You think he's trying to market it as natural?

"To an artificial mind, all reality is virtual. How do they know that the real world isn't just another simulation? How do you?" - Animatrix, Matriculated (brilliant episode that one!)

Positised some good points in here which have been negatised back to zero. It seems some people here disagree that trying to build a line of communication with the subconscious and maintaining control of your free-will is a positive thing. I wonder how much free-will they had making the decision to negatise.

The birth and death are one event, even though they're celebrated on different dates. Traditionally the sun dies on the cross (the celestial cross) during the northern winter solstice, that is it sits stationary relative to our earth, and then after three days comes back to life - starts it's journey back across the horizon. In a historical context this would mean jesus, died at 33, coming back to life would be the 33 year old jesus walking around again. I believe that symbolically coming back to life is being reborn. It is the eternal transfer of life energy. So the birth of christ is celebrated only after the death of the prior incarnation of christ. You will notice the same mythology during easter when during the death of christ we celebrate with easter eggs; a symbol of new life, given to us by the rabbit; a symbol of fertility having so many offspring. Follow the white rabbit down the rabbit hole to find hidden easter eggs - new life. Easter is set on the northern vernal equinox which is the point when it begins to get warmer again. I'm not sure how this signifies the suns death even though it's at full force during the time??? I think christianity is confused. Even though this could be seen as the halfway point where christ begins his process of dying (getting further and colder). Really the birth and death are one event and easter just makes the myth confusing. However the new life through death aspect of the myth is consistent. I'm intrigued by astrotheological myths, for them to make any sense as our reality shaping myths, we need a better understanding of what it is they really represent, otherwise they represent the cycles of the financial year and an impulse to pay for your sins by buying your loved ones the love you couldn't give them any other way. Can anybody clarify this further? Also, this demonstrates how the myth cannot be universal without taking into account the southern hemisphere which has inverse seasons.

I hate this sorta patronising crap. Well, I strongly dislike people doing that. It's not a trivial point, the way in which hollywood forms public opinion and therefore our culture and the very shape of the world we live in... trivial?

If you end up selling any more I'll take one.