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Teotz, now that might be taking it a bit too far. Someone might try to claim a reward for the found peyote after all. Then, where would you be... digging in your pockets just to find out that while it may be found... there was a reason it was discontinued in favor of a stronger or better medicine per say perhaps? Different doesn't always mean better, but different is sure nice in a world of oppression where one medicine may be here today and gone the next due to propaganda via those with an ethnocentric superiority such as those damn W.A.S.P's. You can bring culture to someone without class, but you can't make them any less ignorant as they are only capable of denying the facts and supporting the ones that support their own biased viewpoints. Logic? What is logic? Don't confuse me. I know not what I say nor what others say and this gets me in trouble from time to time and yet I am free to do so for a time.
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For what it's worth, Auxin... I respect you for pointing these things out and being the first to do so. Personal grudges/feelings aside... we are all here to learn and share and no one here boasts of being perfect or knowing everything to my knowledge. Teotz may not be an expert, but I sure as heck like the term lost peyote or lost pejuta... either way, my mind constructs images of sacramental plants/cacti, etc. that may have fallen out of disuse for one reason or another. Silliness and unscientific brings to mind images of a heyoka I once knew. Clown pejuta is considered very sacred to some tribes. Too much serious work makes Inyan a dull boy. Bring on the silly monster and a bit of fun my way anytime to lighten the day.
Michael, for what its worth, your human, but so are we all. Relax and enjoy a bit of fun and excitement. Everything doesn't have to be perfect or make any sense. I'm so full of it myself that I can hear the sh-- dripping from my ears sometimes. Then, I go back and edit my post as I realize that perhaps I meant what I said, but not how it was said. Other times, I can see how it makes no point to be so damn long winded... but yet I still find myself being long winded. Perhaps I just like to hear myself talk? I guess there could be worse personality defects... Jeffrey D. comes to mind....
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So, the idea then is to get snipped... i.e. a vasectomy to increase chi and your life span. That could solve a great many problems... food shortage, starvation, etc. Can you imagine if even 90% of the the male population was to get a vasectomy at 18 or 19 years of age? They could live longer lives and have stronger chi while at the same time fostering a solution to so many of the worlds problems. I'm not saying they should not seriously consider storing some of their sperm for future use in a bank vault somewhere... but it would cut down on the number of kids accidentally brought into this world before a young man or woman were ready to have a child.
More food for thought....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7109388/Mantak-C...m-Enlightenment
The above.. DMT via Taoist Dark room.... is some food for thought.
http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/schedule.html
The Lakota and other cultures have this same practice... its called the vision quest.
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Try taking a few anthers from one specimen via a set of tweezers and rubbing these directly onto the stigma of your other cacti. You might also try dusting a few microcentrifuge tubes with several batches of pollen which can then be sprinkle/tapped out onto the surface of the stigma. Pollinating a second time a few hours later often improves seed set in many crosses. If you have a self-sterile variety such as Lophophora w. var. Huizache and you are pollenating clones... it will not matter that they are on separate roots so to speak.
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Very possible Kadakuda and something I didn't immediately think of myself.
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Rain bird or agrosoak, the two look to be the same and like you... I once did my yard in this stuff. Bad idea! You'll have your yard looking like it just hailed after a good rain.
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Grafted would be normal Kadakuda. No arguments there. This was a non-grafted specimen though. Notes:
Etoliation seen in all of the seedlings sown at the same time except with this one. This one seedling was different though in that it remained round and fat and never etoliated. Perfect little ball with pups. 3 variegated/albino seedlings seen. One went straight to heaven in a ball of mush/fungi.
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For whatever reason, I refer to Lophophora w. as peyote when I'm talking about peyote. Peyote encompasses the plant and the spirit for me. This is how I was taught by the Lakota and yes, I realize that peyote did not originate with the Lakota, but was introduced to the Lakota. Pejuta is another term I use in reference to peyote. Pejuta means medicine... so, for what its worth... If you on the reservation and someone offers you a button, peyote, or pejuta... chances are they are referring to Lophophora w.
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I just wanted to see if any of you yahoo's had head of one week old L.w. caespitosa La perdida already throwing out babies. Clearly, there is much to be learned from this local variety. Impressive to say the least.
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There seems to be a fair bit of debate here. What is real? What is subjective? What is objective. Does something have to conform to known or accepted tools of measurement to be real? In the end, does it matter if it is real or not or is the end result what matters most? Who cares if it is real in any objective sense so long as it works. Study how or why it works or doesn't work rather than try to measure and quantify with archaic tools..
Does Qi exist? It exists if you believe it exists. What can you do with it? Depends on what you know you can do with it to a large extent.
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Blog, you want a simple B. aurea or B. aurea hybrid. Very fragrant, can withstand heat, doesn't collapse in the heat. Anything with a significant amount of suaveolens will tend to collapse in the heat. B. aurea and B. suaveolens tend to be the most fragrant and hybrids composed of these two. B. arborea has a bit of fragrance, but not so much as to impress most. B. flava, B. sanguinea, B. vulcanicola... these hybrids don't fit your bill for fragrance at all and melt in the heat as well.
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Dreams, visions, hallucinations, reality, all that is... taken in its totality can be altered in as far as ones own personal perceptual apparatus is concerned and this can be done in such a manner as to govern the control of such an experience to include all of your sensory organs, emotions, thoughts, etc. Your brain waves, pulse, breathing, etc.... all of it is capable of being under conscious control and should not alarm anyone that they are or can be under conscious control. For the most part though and for most people these things are a result of the unconscious mind manifesting. You place your own limits on your consciousness whether your choose to realize this or not. Much of this is taught from such a young age and so subtly that you are not aware of being taught anything in regards to this or not. Do some research, there has been quite a bit done in each of these areas. To put it simply, you can end your own life via the power of thought alone. It is the power of certain sacraments that enables us to break down these learned ways of perceiving reality that hopefully opens us up to the possibility of another reality of our choosing in much the same way that you can become aware of a dream over time and loosen the constraints of that world... you can learn to loosen the constraints of this world. Notice, I didn't say you could abolish all rules and laws of any world be it dream, waking reality, etc. I only said that you can loosen the constraints and much more is possible than what we allow ourselves to believe we can achieve. The few who manage to work in one field or another to learn to slow their heart rate at will, alter their brain waves, etc.... It all resides in how we choose to manage the information that our brain processes. Do some research on this and you will never be able to stop as you will find articles in sociology, psychology, etc. etc. to back up all of these claims.
Ken Wilbur
http://www.tao-garden.com/PCEtest1.html
Taoist practices....
There is plenty more out there... do some research and post it here so we can all learn.
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This one might make a good partner for the following Trichocereus...
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Nice specimens George. And valid points to you Garbage and George. I guess my long winded approach to this whole matter is more simply stated as: Wherever you have people or people interested in a cacti... that very interest or even lack of interest in the area will often directly or inadvertently affect what is there. My personal preference is for little to no spines when it comes to grafting or sacraments. For pure aesthetics though, I'd love to see red spines and a lavender 12 inch wide flower with hints or rose at the edges with the strength of ten horses.
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Mutant,
You are right on the money with many Brugmansia, but not all Brugmansia. A general good rule of thumb is that there are general rules and they are meant to be broken and not taken as always true. Most of the time, some of the time, many times, but never all of the time.... unless your referring to death and taxes and even then I've heard tales of people cheating death and or taxes. Cats have nine lives and all that jazz. Trust me, B. aurea Rothkirch, B. aurea Quinde, and many others are harder to root than your everyday average Brugmansia. B. sanguinea, B. flava, B. vulcanicola are also notoriously more difficult. Mind you, much of this is due to certain Brugmansia cultivars being more susceptible to virus, bacteria, etc. Places like Gommer's pay to have their stock cultured virus free when they become infected and can thus keep selling some of the hot sellers that people like a bit faster than others as they are easier to root when healthy. Go figure that one. The problem arises when those virus prone specimens find their way into the average person's collection and disease sets in. Personally, I think many of these more disease prone Brugmansia should exist only in a hybridizers garden with the specific aim of keeping whatever trait or traits are worthwhile to keep while breeding for stronger Brugmansia at the same time.
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Yep, I think I saw the word blend and immediately started thinking of admixtures instead of hybridizing. Funny, considering hybridizing is always on my mind.
http://www.echinopsis-hybriden-ag.de/
"Who are we?
We are a working group of the German Cactus Society and presently have approximately 148 members in Germany, Australia, Belgium, Dutch, Italy, Switzerland, Hungaria, Slovakia and the USA.
What do we do?
We are concerned solely with hybrids. In particular with hybrids from the genera Echinopsis, Helianthocereus, Hildewintera, Trichocereus and others. We cross plants within a genus but also plants between different genera for example Echinopsis x Trichocereus. Thus we create the most beautiful hybrids for ourselves.
Publications?
Our Journal of Hybrids is published three times annually. Experienced hybridizers as wells as beginners report on their experiences with hybrids. Our journal also contains at least 10 - 12 DIN A4 color pages in each issue. And, on a regular basis our members offer extra seed to other members.
You can see 10 pages of Trichocereus hybrids and a few pages or echinopsis hybrids here."
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Well said Michael. Your still the cactus god in many people's eyes so don't let it get you too bent. Looks like the more you learn and share the more someone wants to impress another by showing another up. At least thats my take on the matter. Could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time. Enough said.
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Are you talking about preparations such as cimora?
http://www.botany.org/plantsciencebulletin/psb-1972-18-4.php
"The identity of some of the cimora drink additives we know — and we know that several of them may indeed be of themselves potently hallucinogenic. Of others we know phytochemically nothing.
In Peru, Neorailnondia macroslibus may sometimes be an additive (8). No chemical analysis of this large columnar Andean cactus has been made. Also occasionally added to the drink in Peru is Isoloma longiflora. a member of the Campanulaceae, a family with known psychoactive principles (8). The euphorbiaceous Pecli/anthit.s lilhvntaloide.s. likewise frequently used as an admixture, is highly aromatic as a result of organic acids (8). Some Peruvian medicine men add condorillo, a species of Lvcopodium (6). In view of the recent discovery in this pteridophyte genus of unusual types of alkaloids, this report has exceptional interest. Reports that a tree-species of Dalnra may be added to cimora can be easily understood because of the strongly hallucinogenic character of this solanaceous genus rich in tropane alkaloids (8). In addition to the species mentioned above, at least one other unidentified plant, known in eastern Peru as hornanto, is employed in preparing cimora (6)."
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Hybrid x Hybrid is only worth while if you select for what you wish to achieve or desire in beauty and or strength. This takes time. There are and will always be purists who want something that breeds true as it is often that those that are pure in species that vary the least from each other when crossed to each other. Consistency of form, strength, etc. to a lesser or greater degree is often wanted by purists; although, most purists will agree that after growing several hundred or more pure forms of the same type that they are better able to see differences in even these pure specie forms. Another good reason for growing pure species... it helps to sharpen the eye for later selection of desirable traits and an even more uniform pure species.
Now, then there are those who are not purists and these people often fall into the lumper category as well, but not always. For this person, they might seek a particular group of traits such as blue skin, larger flower, short spines, potency, etc. as being most important. Those people tend to make multiple crosses within a particular species group to get the traits they most desire into one cacti or plant and take genes from outside the species or genus when they can be found quicker in this way. Again, the more varied the parentage becomes the more varied the seedlings become and the more one has to have a sharp eye that is found in the purists possession naturally and acquired by the lumper via simply growing out large numbers of crosses and keeping track of the parentage and noting which ones are most desirable. I'm a lumper and a splitter. A bit confused at times Bit, but in the end what matters most to me is form, fragrance, flower, and potency. I'd love to see what could be produced if we simply had a few individuals each with a different set of goals in their hybridizing program with one or two points in common. If there is a maximum ceiling for a particular trait, it would be nice to see if tetraploids could extend that natural ceiling as has happened with many plants which have been doubled... resulting in new or more marked changes in phenotype due to the increase in genotype.
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Personally, I'm inclined to believe that anyone who collects cacti for use in ceremonies may do so with a reason. If he or she notices that one particular cacti in his stand is stronger it goes to reason that he might choose to cultivate more of this particular cacti via cuttings. Another might realize that seeds are produced and that seeds are how plants and cacti often reproduce. He or she might be smart enough to figure this out on their own as they might know someone who grows corn, etc. from seed.... Whatever the case might be, selective propagation and or intentionally breeding cacti, I have to believe that there will be one odd ball out of the many that might chose either or both methods to increase their potential and whether that potential is measured in quantity or quality is something that may vary from individual to individual. Some medicine men seem to take pride in their medicines and as such might covet a particular clone more than another. Over time, natural hybrids between these selected clone types could very well happen regardless of intent. Every hybridizer hybridizes what they have available if that is what they like to do. They may not hybridize everything they have available, but they will hybridize what they have available as it is impossible to hybridize with a pollen you do not have. With that said, simply creating a stand of one particular cultivar will affect the genetics of the population surrounding the area given enough time and enough cultivars. I like to think of it this way. If I have 15 Brugmansia to start with and I notice that two are exceptional at making me happy then I will perhaps get rid of the other 13 over time as I might become bored with them. The other two... grown in close proximity are more likely to have seeds that are hybrids of the two simply as they are grown in close proximity to each other. That is not to say a few of the neighbors Brugmansia may not have pollinated mine via moths, etc. Just that it is highly probable that crosses that form do so in larger numbers from those plants that are closest to each other. So, while this may not be intentional hybridizing... growing 15 different clones in a small area increases the odds that you will have hybrids form between them... especially so if they bloom at the same time. Now, with hybrids that bloom at different times of day or different months... you can not rely on nature to do this for you. You must collect, dry, and freeze the pollen yourself for later use. This is why some hybrids are not possible in nature. They are simply too far away to cross naturally via geographic barriers, time constraints, etc. and thus a cross that might be highly unlikely to yield seed in the wild, but nevertheless capable of producing seed is not seen. Simply put, I can see truth in all of these things happening as there are just too many people and too many years involved for one not to have been a collector and another not to have been a hybridizer. It doesn't need to be cultural, just individual in nature. One individual takes pride in his medicine that is substantially stronger or different in a way that is desirable to all and shares this medicine with others. Selectively propagating a plant leads to its selectively altering the gene pool no mater how you dice it. You can call it intentional or unintentional...., but if I never put a single bit of pollen from one cacti to another and I have a field of a single clone of macrogonus all planted in rows where every other cacti is either a pachanoi or a peruvianus for something like the following row... macrogonus... peruvianus.... macrogonus.....pachanoi.... macrogonus....peruvianus....macrogonus....pachanoi.... then if you assumee that I am only utilizing 3 total clones all vegetatively propagated to make these rows that even though I have not set a single seed intentionally... that if any seed should arise from this small clumping of rows that perhaps they might be hybrids between these three clones that were selected for whatever reason they were selected. Resulting wild specimens from seed from these crosses might prove useful in my hunts as well and I might chose to revisit a patch that carries characteristics that excel from those found in my own patch. Thus, I have added a fourth set of genes into my unintentional breeding grounds. I may value this stand I have grown for its potency more than those I find in the wild and thus I utilize those in the wild for healing ceremonies of a larger scale while I utilize those cacti in my personal stand for personal use or perhaps for use with other medicine men only. This depletes the natural gene pool of the wild immediately surrounding my area while increasing the chances that cacti found many years or generations down the road will bear more and more in common with my stand. As my stand becomes larger.... more selection is done as my grandson finds a much stronger cacti in a not to distant area as he has had to travel further and further away to find cacti for the community. He revisits that area and adds another cacti to our sacred grove. I'm not saying this happens, I'm just putting it out there as this is what I would do and I don't consider myself nearly as intelligent as the myriad of people who have come before me. Now, do I tell my friends or researches about my special Culebra or Pachanoi stand? Or do I show them the variety that will still impress them from the local area that I utilize for the common ceremonies?
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Teotz, I must confess that sometimes I've gotten my best idea's from stupid. If you know this fellow, keep him around. Its often times the experts that get so ingrained into thinking that this or that is the only way or dream become fixed in another's idea or research without ever realizing the absurdity of it all. Just ask the plants, they'll confirm they know more than we think we think we know. To that end of helping stupid, I've often researched stupid idea's and come to find out, they were already done and proven valid by somebody even stupider than stupid was at the time thus proving stupid wasn't the stupidest. Ignorance is bliss except where it is dangerous.
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Micromegas,
Funny, I've read those books many times myself years ago and never made those same connections. Very insightful. As for our perceptions and how we perceive reality... we are taught how to perceive reality, ourselves, etc. This is a fundamental truth that doesn't require any insight to understand. One person's culture teaches him to perceive his role as a male in society as this. Another has different rules. Its very simple. What is funny is that you can intellectually understand this and have it never sink in. Either you trivialize it and you miss the point or you make it seem more than it is and miss the point. This understanding of how your perception of reality is shaped and of yourself often begins to become unglued in in a way that you are not aware that your perception has been altered and your old perceptions co-mingle back and forth so that neither is who you are or what you perceive all the time. These are the subtle shifts that go unnoticed by many. Then of course you have the shifts that are perceived as much larger as generally these shifts are more at odds with your old way of perceiving. As you allow your perception to be molded to a different culture or way then there comes a time when these larger shifts are felt and you realize that perception includes feeling, thought, being, etc. Its hard to put into words, but its ridiculously simple and profound at the same time. A vision quest, as it was explained to me, works by tiring the mind and body. You become so tired of listening to your own internal dialogue that is your reality and at the same time you are fighting with this you that wants to come down, relax, eat some ice-cream, etc. All of this tires and literally bores you to the point that your internal dialogue shuts down for large spells of time and you simply see, feel, hear, are.... you simply exist and take it all in without your own thoughts and feelings that are attached to these thoughts, etc. muddling what is really there. This is often when you experience a vision. You feel these shifts in perception on many levels. The other aspect of how a vision quest works, again as explained to me, is that your body utilizes energy to eat, digest, talk, etc. Your mind utilizes energy when it seeks associations that has been taught to it and that are regurgitated when a stimulus that is associated with that teaching comes to bear on your perception. When you stop eating, drinking, thinking, etc... your create a surplus of energy as that energy is not being wasted on those mundane activities of keeping your illusions intact as well as your body... there is a bit more to it, but I won't bore you with the theory behind it. What is important to me is that it is a tool that works.
As for sitting for four days, I have heard of this as well, although generally this is only done if one is going to quest in a sweat lodge or one has some other physical condition that would preclude one from questing in the normal manner. At least this is generally true for ones first vision quest. That is not to say that exceptions are not made. I'm personally a firm believe that its not the strict adherence to a set of rules that is important, but rather the understanding of those rules and how they can best be bent to get the results a person needs in a way that is accessible to them at the time. Whether those limits are set by our mind or our body that preclude us from utilizing a particular tool in a particular way... If the mechanics are understood then the experience will be just as valid for that individual and what that individual needs at that time. There are of course die hard traditionalists or purists... choose your pick... I am not one of them, although I have fallen into that trap in the past.
I will go into just a bit more though...
The 606 prayer ties that one makes that then becomes the outer portion of your altar symbolize your mind as they are your thoughts, the 6 directions, spirit helpers, gifts, etc... There are many levels to truth and I will not go into all of them or claim to know all of the many things each represent. As the prayer ties are unstrung to encircle and become the boundaries of your altar this symbolizes your mind becoming clear and focused as they are no longer a jumble. Each though, perception, thing, etc. produces a connection in our spirit, mind, body, etc. The longer you are in contact with a particular thought, feeling, animal, person, etc. the stronger of an impression or connection one can make and these connections affect us on every level of our being. They can have a positive, negative, neutral influence... You can think of it as a stamp that is imprinted on your soul or mind if you will each time you come in contact with something. This stamp is affected by how that something perceives you as well as how you see it and this is a circle that can be overcome via intent. I'll stop rambling for now, but intent and perception are the keys to many things in my book. The rest can be what it is so long as intent is pure and focused you are less likely to react and instead be able to act. Still, many will argue that the best intentions.... are not always what's best. This is why right perception is so important and the understanding that as long as you are not a tree that has never been human then you can never understand the tree in the same way as it may perceive you if it has never been human. I'm getting into deep waters here and while my analogy may not be the best, if you can see it for what it is... then you will get out of it what you need. Even if that is simply to say that this is all BS. Respect for another's perception, being, etc. and their own need to see how they see as they know no other way. The known, unknown, and unknowable..... Okay, I really am starting to ramble now. What was I talking about? LOL, its all good.
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For what its worth Bit, I like the looks of this one and I'd have no qualms at all crossing this one to a pachanoi or macrogonus to see what types of variable seedlings might arise... Breeding for a nice blue-blue cactus would be a very nice goal in my mind. Has anyone compiled a thread of all of the darkest Blue cacti in their collections. It might make for a good contest at any rate as I'm sure a few here are raising seeds or some such or simply collectors such as yourself bit.
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Do you have a close up of the calyx and or any seed pod pictures?
Plantsoma, without the above... its a bit harder to judge these as what you have in the first picture appears to be a pure Brugmansia aurea species at first glance and believe it or not, a pure aurea is hard to find away from its native land. Seed pods and calyx would give us a more definitive answer as some hybrids can fool the best of us. If it is a pure aurea as I suspect, you have a good find.
The other pink Brugmansia has a very strong suaveolens influence with a hint of versicolor. From what I can make out of the calyx on this one, it appears to be a complex multihybrid. My guess, without seeing the pods or the calyx up close is that this one is probably suaveolens x (versicolor x suaveolens) or perhaps something a bit more complex. It really is hard to tell with multi-hybrids regardless as you could also have a suaveolens x cubensis on your hands. The fatter shorter pods on crosses like this generally denote a bit of aurea somewhere in the mix. Crossing these two should give you a field of whites and some exceptional growers. Form of course will very widely as this is not a pure suaveolens. Still, if you love fragrance... my guess is these will also throw out some heavenly scented Brugmansia for you as well. Ideally, you would cross your pink suaveolens multi-hybrid to a pink aurea, pink candida, or even a pink versicolor if you were simply wanting more pinks and hoping for a darker pink. I'm not an ideal kind of person though and would go for the fragrance and that very rare blending of colors that is possible. Your aurea by the way has some exceptional substance to it from what I can tell which is another aurea trait that is good to breed for. This is a good example of a pure aurea seed pod. I'll post another pure aurea pod from a different aurea so you can get a taste for the variation within this species at a later date.
Skeptic or optimistic
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I'm a skeptical optimist who borders on optimistic skepticism at times. Yeah, I know that I don't know much, but I do know what I have experienced and researched and I can only say that seeing, feeling, hearing, touching, tasting... is not always believing, but it is often filled with a sense of wonderment, awe, euphoria, etc. Now, whether it is real or not makes me question why does it matter if it is real? What is real? Yeah, I'm a bit confused. A believer who believes or doubts what he believes at times is the same as the person who knows what he knows when he knows it and later doubts it or questions it and its realness. For me, questioning is natural and healthy and a way to keep oneself grounded in a world of flakes of which I consider myself to be a proud member at times. Not that I'd spill the beans of any great mystery to anyone here or otherwise if I knew or didn't know what I in fact know or don't know. With that being said, where are we and what are we talking about?