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beautiful!!! you should get a big mean ass dog

So ye all know... plants and books or books and plants, its all good :D :cool: [ 12. May 2005, 15:16: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

chronic fatigue doesnt mean shit to centrelink...They wont put you on a disability pension and will only give u 13 weeks off per medical certificate... but i suppose you could always go to the doctor every 13 weeks and get another certificate to say that yes you are still wrecked... sounds like fun. especially when your in that situation with no other option... Oh yeah, and ppl who fake chronic fatigue to get the dole probably infuriate people who actually have chronic fatigue, and who would much rather be doing somethgin more worthwhile with their time/life. It aint fun!

well if they arrive before the weekend and the meeting is saturday ill take em off ya hands... we will be at the botanic grdns so its synchronicity at its best.. i shall match the heimia seed with a heimia seedling of 1year for anyoen that will be there :D peace let the plants decide ***E***

Do you know what is the regulating authority for such things? And how hard is it to secure such a contract? i was pretty sure a friend i used to work with had an agreement regardng swapping orchids at a regional botanic gardens whilst he was volunteering their. Maybe he has such a contract [ 12. May 2005, 10:55: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

they both taste just as bad as each other

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T- damn i must have totally misheard that conversation we had about you importing music.. I must have had my 'selective' hearing on (damn vagueness)... man had i known you were importing psy and played summer dreaming i definately wouldnt have treated you like an un-initiated doofer. My appologies

if its a drama and they are quality specimens ill take em off ya hands.. reptyle and i will be in sydney on saturday, when is the meet to collect them?

hey t- you should come to ega and play a set of your own music at some stage... on that note, why dont you come and see if that experience is out there on the dancefloor waiting for you? (hell anything just to get ya there )

yep thats one damn twisted pic!!! a friend of mine sent me there whilst i was staying in melbourne.. i couldnt believe what he did to me by exposing me to that filth! but hey, everyday we get just a little more desensitised to the human condition. maybe someday i will be like chemical shaman and find humour in it! till then, eternally grossed out. freaky shit! p.p.s michael franti says "all the freaky people make the beautyof the world".. im still trying to find the beauty in that pic... maybe someday ***E***

i have been watchign this thread but hesitating to comment.... When i started, back in 96-97 i was right into the electronic tent at festivals... i regularly went to festivals and for me the electronic music was all new and so were the drugs... I got right into acts like sonicanimation, prodigy, chemical brothers, nubreed, joshabrahams, resindogs, metabass n breath, nasenbluten, syndicate, and so forth.. I was in my E honeymoon, and part of the youngest age bracket (13-15). For me tracks such as love lies bleeding by sonic animation and breath by the prodigy could put me straight back into that synthetic blissfull state, anytime of the day. However, when i started going to outdoor gigs in newcastle, some of the earlier less doof more hardcore ones (i.e Mark N, Throbgoblin, Bloodyfist, Nasenbluten et al) i found the atmosphere to be a lot more open and alternative... There was a lot less emphasis on what people looked like and i found the music to be a lot more hard edged and industrial... it definately wasnt 'fun happy music' but there was people chucking in some nice ambient/deep dubby blissfull tracks (such as Queen ov evil). At this stage i was still istening to stuff like Propellerheads, Crystal Method, Orbital et al... However i never really got into 'happy hardcore' or full DNB, moreso loosely titled 'dance music'... Well my first couple of doofs werent what id call a fantastic introduction.. Having known the crew that was putting them on before i had even been to one, i got severely 'broken in'...I got hit with a double dropped sugar cube of exceedingly strong potency, and ended up wigging out half way through the night and took refuge in my car where i endured a somewhat hectic night and early morning.... After that i was hooked... Sounds funny, but the music really got inside my brain, oscillated and hit a harmonic centre, whereby i could always here the bass lines and so called 'earthbeat'.. Since then i have developed strong love for certain aspects of the doof scene. As with anything, there are some extremely undesirable aspects. The more people who are drawn towards it, the more 'cliquey' and 'trendy' it becomes, the less appealing it is. For me, it is definately a tribal thing, and can often have aspects of magic, shamanism and 'hivemind'. (see Reality pixies presentation at ega for more depth)(and for that matter krusty's presentation as well). I love intimate gigs, outdoors, under the stars, in lush bush locations, with thumping new fresh music.. i think it is something that you really have to immerse yourself in before you get the full 'sickness'. It slowly accumulates in you until you reach saturation and can embody the many different ebbs and flows that is the doof phenomena. T-maybe you need to get out and experience just what is happening with 'doof-culture' in australia. There are a lot of cross overs between the rave scene and doof scene, and i think it is very hard to say that one is better then the other. Obviously you have been saturated by Rave, that doesnt mean that you cant enjoy/like doof. They are as different as they are similiar. And perhaps when u get some new fresh underground psy, u will see that it has evolved quite a lot since early infected mushroom and hallucinogen/gms et al. Keep an open mind and who knows what will happen. One thing i have noticed is that at every doof there is more and more 'candyravers' turning up, and more and more old-school raver cross overs... Give it a chance i say, u might just fall in love (AGAIN)... (and might i just add that there is quite a lot of mass generalisations going on. its impossible to say what doof is, as it is so multi faceted and individual. every party is different in terms of local scene, music and vibe, but as ronny, its the people who make it, and any local scene that could boast an ethnobot following has got my vote ) peace, see u on the dancefloor ***E***

plenty of good spots.... depends what your looking for and when. at the moment id check out higher altitudes along river banks in amongst decomposing bracken... or at least thats what the pixy at the end of the garden suggested. peace, and let us know if ur ever keen for a combined effort. plenty of knowledgable folks around these parts, and locals as well ***E***

wheres Adrian? he should hijack this thread and turn it into a "clean up earthpod volunteer day" man his mum would be stoked to come home and find the garden weed free and pristine but seriously, the botanic gardens meets went really well... id have to say that it is the most ideal place for such a thing, but as imin newcastle its quite inconsequential now isnt it but yeah, the melbourne meets we had at the start of the year were xcellant . enjoy ppl peace ***E***

there are plenty of naturally occurring ampitheatres and 'accoustic spots'..Although i admit the whole sound engineering gets a bit tricky if ur trying to mix natural and amplified sounds....id say most of the 'live' stuff is all amplified, although im sure accoustic could work if it was a goal... and btw, how many of you guys who comment on aus doof scene 'lacking' specific elements actually go doofing. i.e are u inferring without having experienced???

Its hard for me to comment on this topic. In the past 8 months we have endured three extremely traumatic suicides. In light of the experiences, which were all very 'close to home', i can only say that suicide is an extremely selfish phenomena. It presents itself moreoften then not, in people whos mental illness has narrowed their minds to a point of self obsession or self isolation... In all cases i found that the person in question did not have the strength nor honour to endure the mental hell they found themselves in... Whilst it may be testimate to how 'sick' these people were, it is also an insight into their psychology... One, a mother of 2 with one only 4 months old, was sufferring from extreme post natal depression and hypercondria was overmedicated and thus 'numbed' to her selfish emotional state...She went into a a very internal world that did not even acknowledge the existance or importance of her own family and loved ones.... I dont think that words do justice to exactly what all of these people were experiencing, nor the extremely painfull process of letting go that their families are still enduring to this date. However what can be said is that in all cases the individuals showed complete disregard and disrespect for their families and friends... Whilst they were going through extremely difficult mental and emotional times, everyone besides the individual in question, was aware of the transience of the illness and the self obsessed nature of the illness... What is most disappointing about suicide is that it is often a scenario that could have been stopped if the right professional intervention existed. At present mental health, and especially depression, is too often treated with medication rather then therapy. The individual i spoke of above who was sufferring from severe post natal depression and hypercondria had convinced herself that she was dying, and the mental health response was to medicate her heavily with prozac and valium... Another one of my friends from school who was having serious psychosis had an extremely religious family who believed he had been practicing 'black magick' and got the school principal to bring an exorcist in from interstae to spend three days in the hospital psych ward doing 'exorcisms'.... If u ask me most of the people who have committed suicide have been failed by the western health system and 'prescription' psychology.... Where once a family or friend worried about the state of mind of a loved one could call upon a professional healer or 'guide', they are now solely responsible for a mentally and emotionally unhealthy person who has been medicated and left to go about their ways... I know this post is extremely biased/opinionated but at current, i feel extremely strongly about this issue.. There is letting go and their is escape... more often then not suicide is escape from reality, or the illness that is the individuals reality... It may be harder to confront ones demons and push through hell to try to find the other side, but isnt it worthwhile if it means u may find love on the other side??? peace ***E*** [ 10. May 2005, 04:53: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

did i mention didjeridoo?? My dream doof would open with bands/musicians such as Xavier Rudd, JBT, moving onto hybrid stuff such as M.G.F, Toydeath, Dogbouy lover, then into live hip hop with acts such as combat wombat, the herd, hermitude, then experimental electronica, into DNB and then into some nice dark night time psy, into morning/sun rise psy, into hard daytime, into chunky prog and then xperimental ambient in the arvo and chill in the evening.... oh yeah, and hammocks! plenty of em lol, id do it if i was a millionaire, or someone decided to pay for it ***E*** [ 08. May 2005, 15:02: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

i love live psy that incorporats musical instruments and so forth... i think sometimes there is a huge cross over between electronic music and the live musical experience... I also believe that there is a few smaller private parties that often have local or 'crew' bands play prior to dj sets. I definately am not 'disappointed' by the live scene in the doof phenomena, however i admit it is not somethign that happens nearly frequently enough.. im all for it, bring out the double bass, electrified violin, live drums and so forth... and live psy is about 100 times better to listen to dance to and feel then even the best dj set... peace ***E***

i can see these becoming the latest doof fashion dammit t beat me :D [ 08. May 2005, 08:58: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

Just curious what people have found to be good techniques for keeping a healthy state of mind... Im particularly interested in techniques for dealing with stress, anxiety, and psychotic episodes... Id like to arm myself with tools and techniques to deal with anything from mild anxiety/nervousness right through methods of breaking people out of a psychotic episode and helping them to recover from one. Also, any plants/herbs that can be used to pull someone out of a 'bad trip' and any plants/herbs that can be used to avoid panic attacks/social anxiety... cheers ***E***

i havent experienced psychotic episodes personally but have been in a shared space with someone who had one on psychadelics... it wasnt simply a bad trip, it was fukn horrendous. The reason i asked about that one is that in future if i am in a shared space and that sort of thing goes on id like to know what to do and how to help the situation.. people say you can tlk someone out of it/calm them down, but until u have witnessed one you wont realize just how bullshit that is... As for anxiety i have definately found meditation, deep breathing and avoiding any form of stimulant to be successfull.. Ive also found that alcohol and cannabis can fuel panic attacks, the worst panic attacks ive had have been in crowded spaces after a big night. cheers for ur input strangebrew... it might be touchy groudn but it needs to be covered, especially in todays day and age when everything is 'so much it can be too much'. peace ***E*** [ 06. May 2005, 15:44: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

ive noticed two or three days after the said expedition into big happy loved up hug monster i get really flat and cranky... Ive also noticed that i seem to get a lot more loved up then other people..Although that might be because i dont do 'pills' just mdma in decent doses... Ive found that i get the same flat grumpy old bastard head state when the afterglow of a big dmt experience has faded.. normally about 2 weeks later i notice that nothign seems alive and vibrant, the universe seems to be totally colourless and inanimate.. Ive often wondered whether this is because im adjusting to 'normality' and cant come to grips that everythign isnt always as intensely beautiful and amaizing as id like it to be... But yeah, generally i find mdma to be an exceptionally clean and side effect free substance.. its only been nasty smacky speedy pills that have ever scatted me out. peace ***E***

yep id say peruvianoid of some kind... nice specimen btw...

i write this with an emmense pain in my heart.. not to mention the tears i have been fighting back for the past 30mins... I feel i have to share this as everyone who is a collector, and everyone in the ethnobotany community can surely sympathise with this situation. I have been collecting cacti for three years, and last night sometime someone entered my premesis and stole my prize and joy cacti. One 1.5m 4-6inch blue beast, (this is an unidentified strain that has extremely fat and robust arms, with intense blueing and short spines), Three other blue beasts all ranging in size from 30cm-1m, all with 4-6inch diameter 1- 5yr ol L.williamsi, 1- 5yr old L.williamsi var caespitosa (that had just started to pup at 4 different points, and one T.peruvianus cross T.pachanoi...... This is just the start of it, there are another 3 missing, 2 T.bridgesii var monstrose, 1 un identified ariocarpus, and i havent had the guts to actually go through and see what else is missing. I am fucken heartbroken! I have never stolen, nor would i ever steal, from anyone!!! This may seem like a bold statement, but it is the truth.... i do not believe in stealing..... These cacti have no monetry worth for me, im sure if i sat down and worked it out it would be in excess of $200...But for me it is a lot more then that... They were positioned around the back of my house, under a verandah (i had moved them in as it had been raining). These were my babies, my prize pieces... They were not visible from anywhere other then my back door. And the only peopel who knew they were there were people whom i had invited into my house... There are only three people from this community who have ever been to my house, of them, one may be questionable... but obviously this is not the place nor the manner to do such questioning... i will take this matter up face to face if possible... What do i do? call the cops? stop collecting? Get in a fight with somene over it? never invite people to my house? These specimens were extremely individual and easily recognisable. If anyone hears of somene procuring a new collection in the hunter valley, newcastle or central coast region please tell me.. I have invited somene into my home, and they have done this to me and for that i will not forgive them.. i feel like absolute shit, and i really do hate mankind right now! -EDIT: if the person responsible is in any way in communication with this forum- PLEASE DO NOT EAT THE BABIES U MAY BE EXTREMELY POISENED IF U DO AS THEY HAVE BEEN TREATED WITH ROGOR REPEATEDLY FOR THE PAST MONTH!!! [ 23. April 2005, 06:42: Message edited by: min(E)rval ]

T- thats exactly what i meant I remember the first time someone explained that to me it all took on a new level of realism.. i was like "ohhhh yeah, now that makes sense!"