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Never had any problems getting them yeah get the old id check but thats it if they try to sell me the new ones i just say I've read the clinical trial results and I'm not wasting my money on shit that IMO shouldn't even be sold to consumers fucking ridiculous ephedra is illegal to use hell of a lot cheaper to go pick a plant from your garden hell of a lot more effective too

all good manyeah i think i sought of missed out was chasing a month or so to early then been sidetracked by too much work and Uni shit now everyones are ripe GRRRRRRRRRRRR I;'m not sure if they will flower/seed in my area I have a nice little plant so pending how he grows I may not need them but I'll keep in touch

Oh i'm intrested I just need to con the fiancee to let me spend that much in one hit so far $75 is the furthest i've been able to push which i figure is really $100 as i can easily put aside the extra oh the joys of acombined bank accounts does it have to be all purchased at once or can I buy like $100 one week and $50 another ?

DOx

i met another member of this board who warned me against the smoking of salvia apparently when smoking a very pure extract an entity advised against burning the sacred herb , however now with teotz input it seems that there is more to it then just the plant not liking fire if there is yet some unidentified active maybe most of us are missing the full experience , I mean it happens with many plants if consumed in anyway but fresh khat & Kratom are two of the more common that come to mind

ahh the joys of still being at uni - free access to every article you could ever want , although if they ever looked at the database usage on my account i guess it will look funny studying a masters of tax but all the articles i download are plant or chemistry based oh well free acess is free access

If anyone has foxtel natioanl geographic channel or discovery has a program called taboo drugs there is some rather ignorant crap in it but also some good factual info , i had it on last night and watched a bit on traditional Yopo use and MDMA before falling asleep very keen to see the rest of it

you don't actaully need a cutting as such you can clone by palnting a leaf

yeah basically not fully hardened outer coat greenish soft sounds about right

very intrested in brugs and cacti I can afford to throw $100 in to the pool next week if others want to chuck in I reckon it would be great to try and pool some funds and get spud at laest double what he's asking thats a massive collection so who's keen

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Back in 2000 I was sitting for a few guys usuing sally ,one guy managed to consume 12 cones i a row before calmly picking up the glass water pipe and throwing it full force against the wall right above where another personwas sitting the scary thing is when i grabbed him and sat him down he' was saying 'what the fuck is everybody upset about all i did was throw the bong at the wall' he knew what he had done but just acted like it was normal everyday behaviour , he proceeded to leaver the house we were at and i had to chase him up the road trying to talk sense into him for the next 15 or so minutes and this was plain salvia leaf no extract or anything Sally can be a wonderful friend but also a very powerful enemy use her respectfully and wisely at all times

Obviously for idiots who do not have the brain capacity to maintain a strong open realtionship with their child IMO you've lost your child long ago if you need to resort to such methods

hmmm $28,000 fucking ATO pricks I think its fair enough too a levy income tax on such earning but expense should also be deductible IMO it sounds though it was her financial situatiion that caused her to go into to dealing so why do that to people in an already bad financial situation

Welcome to the boards also check out Australian Ethnobotany Forum if you have not already I notice your in Sydney are feel free to come to one of the meets sometime I organise them every few months

Welcome to the boards guys also please check out Australian Ethnobotany Forums if you have not alraedy if either of you are in Sydney I organise meets every few months feel free to come along

My comment that they are illegal is based on unconsiounable conduct clauses in the TPA ask your bank how they have come up with a calculation that results in them justifying a charge of $30 for overdrawing your account I bet you they cannot so if thre is no basis to how this fee has been calculated isn't this just a large corporation throwing their weight around to take advantage of someone that has no choice but to suffer whatever fee they chose to impose, there are clauses in the TPA designed to prevent such activity , don't forget you are already charged intrest on amounts you overdraw , so if we are already cahrged intrest ( which is actually a cahrge on the bank lending you money ) why are charged this second fee - well nothing more then corporate greed gone mad. Why does our government not stop this because they are gutless `1 and 2 think about what would happen to your bank if it was forced to pay back every single overcharged fee for the last 25years well you could kiss those ridiclous ceo and high level management salaries goodbye for starters and probably a lot of jobs at these organisations also , further more the value of banking shares would crash and lets think what make uyp a decent portion of the value of the ASX 200 and what is a consistant economic performer year after yaer in Australia declaring massive profits , the government is more then aware of the massive economic consequences of such a desicion and from their position the negative far outweigh the postive, however i think we need to ask ourselves why should our economy be bolstered solely by the value of corpoarte greed and the ripping off of everyday people who alraedy struggle to make ends meet .....................end rant

John I really think thats crossing the line TST is a very respected member of this community and his knowledge would exceed yours on so many levels I really dislike your conspricay theory bullshit as thats all your arguements seem to amount to your may actually be a very smart guy but the way you are presenting yourself is the way of an arrogant fool , all you do is repeat yourself over and over but your not really helping in anyway Torsten already started your own thread so you could debate discuss this whole topic , but instead you persist on attacking lightning and nialls effort which indicates to me your are not trying tio be constructive in anyway , actually you come across as though you have a chip on you9r shoulder for one reason or another and are sol;ely intent on derailing or discouraging the efforts of niall and lightning and the support for them from other board members IMO if you want to effectiveluy contribute here you should be presenting solutions to the problems you are raising with this case otherwise me and many others here will continue to take what you say with a grain of salt

“ yet another arguement for legalisation and regulation IMO , then they could be made by legitimate chemical/pharmaceutical companies and the public would be safe from the menace of cladenstine labs in suburbia ...................... hmm but this would require the leaders of our country to think outside the box and thats never going to fuckin happen as for a national drug squad conference a bunch or narrow minded fuckin tools with less then 100 p[oints of IQ between them will never achieve anything except waste tax payer funds that could be spent far more effectively ....... the mere idea of someone wanting to be a drug squad member should be an offence punishible by death , the war on drugs does nothing to help the community it ddiverts funds from health care and many other more important services and in the grand scheme of things changes nothing for every dealer arrested 5 more appear in their plavce not to mention the endless amoount of fundingt it provides for organised crime when the fuck is society ever going to wake up and realise the true reality of this futile and pathetic attack on our rights which is the war on drugs

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yeah I have a claim of over $5000 I'm just about to lodge against Virgin Money , Commonwealth and GE I'll have to check out that bankbeaters as i was just using the info on the choice website Its ironic as Commonwealth defaulted me straight after I came off hardship , not to mention the arrears on the loan were actually about a 1/4 of what they had charged me in fees over the previous 3 years I still think its hard to beat a bank that puts you on hardship provisions and then charges you $90 per fortnight in missed payment fees plus interest like thats going to really help me get on top of my payments .... fuckin wankers

Its only very recent that they have brought in the no overdraw thing up until about a month ago they still had them

I just opened a bank account with NAB $4 A MONTH AND NO OVERDRAWING FEES Why does NAB not have overdrawing fees 1. Good Customer relations 2. They are technically illegal under the trade practises act if one takes the time to read it ,Go to the choice website or do a web serach on get fair on bank fees I have heard of a number of people being repaid these type of fees when challenging through the banking industry ombudsman pain in the arse I know but big corporations like to throw their weight round against the little guy some times it pays to use a government appointed officail to level the playing field

Hey Volcanic any unripe seeds left on your vine been trying to source a few unripe ones for a while now

Yeah sorry about that JD I had to get back to the Coast by 4 and everyone else had to leave about 1 pm hopefully next one we can organise at someones place or something and make a decent day out of it