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  1. Posted · Edited by mutant

    Alright, interesting!

    Amanitas are over-estimated or over-hyped by idiots and/or people who do have profit off their selling [they call me vendor], but for someone who is basically informed that is not the case, no? I also think that it might have something to do with Amanitas not being native to Australia, as they are not really dangerous - sure they can be scary if you don't know what you're doing, or even knowing, at big doses...

    Even though I will not propose to anyone to ingest any illegal psychoactives [well, illegal in Australia anyway], I really do have to say that Amanitas [according to Siberian people, I think, who reportedly replaced Amanita inebriation with alcohol] are less toxic/damaging than alcohol [no reference available at the moment] - and also preferable, according to tha same source, but that's another case...

    Moreover, amanitas not only do they have NO hangover, but on the contrary the bring out a pleasant afterglow tha day/days after when they're not mixed with something else, like alcohol f.e. and finally that they're not really dangerous, just very hard to work with, as a material.

    People who can drink a bottle a hard liquer or a case of beers in one sitting and take pleasure on it, or even have 'insights' [joy, passion, philosophy, great thoughts, empathy, unity feelings etc] , and that includes me as well, could find something worthy in amanitas and as well take interest on them. Or especially those people ;)

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    Never eaten one, I like my liver it comes in handy for things

    Do you have any facts, or it's only what you have heard of amanitas, being liver-toxic. I believe so too, I have heard some stuff like this, but never a really good source. It might be even more dangerous for casual alcohol drinkers, but I don't believe it's so toxic to prevent you from having a couple of experiences. And I am quite sure it's less toxic than alcohol for the liver... or not??

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    Wow!

    I find it really strange that muscimol is illegal in Australia. I only thought they were somewhat controlled in Israel only. But I just read in Erowid this is also disputed. Since I am not from Australia, I have some experience with Amanitas. I also sent erowid a note about Australia legal status of this ancient 'entheogen'.

    Some general notes from my general knowledge:

    Amanita muscaria likes all mixed woods, not some specific tree only. You also have another candidate, Amanita pantherina which is much more 'dangerous' to experiment, due to extreme potency. A proper preparation is indeed necessary, but ibotenic acid isn't really dangerous [though it has been proven neurotoxic through direct injection to rats brains] - indeed it is slightly nauseous and thus the traditional preparation aimed in the conversion of ibotenic acid to muscimole....

    What often causes additional unpleasant side effects is muscarine which is present in minor amounts, and it seems some areas produce muscarine richer muscarias. Amarican species f.e. seem to have enough muscarine to sometimes cause sweating, extreme salivation & muscle twitching.

    Amanitas are highly variable mushrooms. They're often considered unpleasant and unwanted. They demand a careful approach. I can say they're not for the hasty and they're certainly NOT a replacement for the illegal psilocybes. Feel free to PM me for more

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    Hi Mutant,

    yeah i know it! I´ve seen it years ago because i wrote a Review. As far as i can tell, it was funny but very trashy! I think it was a very cheap direct-to-video amateur movie. With lots of beer it might be watchable! bye Eg

    I have writen a review too! I found it to be both funny , but also serious, in a rather pervert/weird way... Trashy, hmmm, OK, have you seen Troma? :) Class of nuke em high anyone? ;)

    I suppose the comment on actress/actors are because of the choice of the cast [famous australian actors of soap/family TV shows, huh??] I wish I could feel this element myself too! ;)

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    I don't know how many of you might know / have heard about this film. Sometimes it is compared with Peter Jackson's early splatter films, but it certainly is something pretty different. The director , Philip Brophy hasn't done many films [actually, only BODY MELT is somewhat widely known, a cult fame, the other two are 100% unknown] but he is supposedly active in australians experimental video / audio scene, also does soundtracks.

    BODY MELT is a social satire, a splatter, a comedy. Seemingly shallow, but, yet, so deep and serious. A cynical look at a society of fast solutions, harsh commentary on drug-cultures and mentality of mind-altering drugs. I put it in here, becasue it's australian, it's a masterpiece [in my opinion], it's funny and meaningful and, last but not least, it has reference in psychoactivity and mind-altering substances...

    Any movie in which a couple of deformed hillbilly kids kill a kangaroo with a rock at 1000 yards, then eat it's adreno glands to get high, has got something to say.
    from an IMDB user review

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    Wow, heck! mealy bugs in the middle of dec! What kind of weather do you have in australia now?????

    I easily confronted my mealybugs with a simple home-made mix, even at the time they had reproduced. Indeed, for me, spider mites were far worse, even though I suspect the species of each are important also.

    mix is: 3/4 water, 1/4 blue alcohol plus few drops of concentrated green dish-wash liquid [soap]. Spray the fuckers over and under the leaves. I had nice results with the mealybugs. One spraying seemed to deactivate them [it might be advisable though you check the mixture first in small quatities, to see if each individual plant tolertes it]. one additional maybe 15-20 days later... I easily healed my brugmansias off meally bugs in no time.... But do monitor you plants...

    If some does try it, tell me what you think!

  12. Posted · Edited by mutant

    First of all I want to state that people who experiment with not-so-popular plants aren't always teenagers desparately trying to get high off their garden :) And thanks for the welcome.

    Second, when experimenting with a controversial plant one does not have pre-set expectations of standard effects, even though most [if not all] postive references report a mild action, not an overwhelming one.

    that said, Vertmorpheus, and despite of your dismissing, you seem to have recognised some activity, only not 'worthwhile', in your opinion. You speak of huge quantities ingested [orally] - I suggest mild psychoactivity and synergy at smoking 2 medium leaves. From a leaf 100 times smother than that of Salvia splendens which by the way takes up triple the dose to sedate. Sometimes individual needs might be more interested in quality rather than intensity of experience. Also, the 100-120 fresh leaves story is something that I have read over the net more than once. Is it the same guy? Who knows.

    Heck if its a placebo I would like to it be see it going on being mild active or finally being proven a placebo. Only I want to see it with my 'positive' material.

    About the active agent being a diterpene, that is not certain. It is reported that diterpenes [salvorin-like] agents have been found in Coleus blumei, but it's not proven they're the psychoactive ones. Although I understand a S.divinorum-like wash/extraction would be the wisest first attempt of extraction.

    The prettier the Coleus, the less it seems to do
    I also liked this quote, propably in a curious way - the quote sparked another idea cooking in my brain. There seems to be a connection in this plant: sun intake and colouring. More sun is supposed to make the colours be more beautiful - yet the plant preferably likes part-shade. Here, I will say it, only a suggestion, mind you, not a certainty: It might be that more sun speeds up leaf colouring and wears it off faster [does the content is enough in small or medium leaves exposed to sun?]. Coleus leaves are long living. Big old 'mature' leaves have more hairy texture, they're more fat. It is also been suggested on the net that big old leaves should be used. So thanx for the quote, even if you didn't go for it, you helped my speculation. :)

    Heck I don't know all these common names [plain green coleus?] you mention, please give latin names, I am into cultivating rare, interesting salvias and exotic strange plants. All comments are welcomed!

    About certain individuals sensitivity to certain agents or all agents in general: But of course! All kinds of sensitivities might occur.

    You suspect correctly, I recall that when Salvia divinorum was legal Tort used to sell his mix as 70:30 divinorum:splendens or some similar ratio which seemed to soften up the div hard heads...if that makes sense...

    Can you talk a bit further on that? You mean the mixture had s.splendens in to ease it down, but why whould a hardhead need a sedative to go into it? Maybe because of the hardline [x?] amount he'd go for?

    It's possible that even amongst the unhybridised, wild standing C. blumei populations, there is still only a subset of active chemotypes.
    I remember reding an retrospective experience report , it was a couple that found many huge plants growing wild. The above mentioned effects were reported. Coleus blumei seemingly is native to the island where the experience was had, in a vaccation {Iowa? - not sure}.

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    What species would pan subs be?? What do you reffer to as 'subs'? Teonanacatl mushrooms in general? It also looks like Panaeollus foeniscii. Getting to know Galerinas is always a good idea, I think, even if you're not in the woods. Galerinas are relatively small, wood eaters [got to dig to check this out] and with rusty brown gills and spore print. Careful hunting!

    Well this thread got me searching my books! I am a mushroom enthusiast and pick over 40 species for food, but tend to avoid LBMs. I think I get what you call Pan sub, P.subbalteatus, no? I am also going on a two day forray with lots of other mushroom enthousiasts, and I figured I just might come across some dung swelling species. Lots of cows round and in that forest we are going...

    Oh, would Panaeollus foeniscii be of any interest?

  17. Posted · Edited by mutant

    I believe Coleus blumei is indeed active, but with so many ornamental hybrids out there it just might difficult to spot the right one.

    Check this out for more on Coleus

    http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...mp;#entry161778

    The popular ornamental Salvia Splendens seems to be psychoactive as well. Anxiolytic, emo-numbing, sedating effects have been reported. A friend of mine also confirmed that. There is evidence that other Salvias are indeed psychoactive, but not necessarily in the way S.divinorum is. Salvia superba, Salvia coccinea, a.o. are prime suspects at the time!

    And, yeap. Poison Hemlock is something too toxic to be useful, but there seems to be indeed a psychoactivity and therapeutic reports, as suggested by Wiki

    Poison hemlock has been used as a sedative and for its antispasmodic properties. It was also used by Greek and Persian physicians for a variety of problems, such as arthritis. However, it wasn't always effective as the difference between a therapeutic and a toxic amount is very slight. Overdoses can produce paralysis and loss of speech being followed by depression of the respiratory function and then death.

  19. Posted · Edited by mutant

    Hello everybody!

    This is my first post here, Corroboree the second foreign enthobotanical cummunity I attend. I havne't read much of the forum, but I liked the 'air' and quality of it.

    I chose to re-enlive an old thread for the sake of info exchange and of giving hints to the future researchers.

    COLEUS BLUMEI

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    First of all, where has the 'rumour' started off? I believe it is the refference from the classic book Plants of the gods.

    In there it is stated that the Mazatecs considered Coleus blumei as the child [el nene] or goschild [el ahijado] in their sage taxonomy, where Salvia divinorum was the mother [el hembra] . It is also mentioned that Coleus blumei was used in the same way as S.divinorum [chewing/quidding]. There is also mention to Coleus pumilus [the father, el macho] {page 165}

    In the front botanical index of the book {page 39}, it is also stated that diterpenes have been found in the Coleus species of interest, propably leading to popular belief that the active agents in Coleus might be diterpenes.

    Note that no 'direct' indication of psychoactivity is reported apart from the fact that the natives consumed the fresh leaves. Coleus forskolii is often mistaken for these two Coleus spp. C.forskolli seems to to be used medicinal and sought after the substance forskolin, but that's not our case here.

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    Now on to the net facts. Some people do have confirned the psychoactivity of certain Coleus blumei strains, me and some friends being among them. Smoking plain leaf material [a couple of leaves] seems to have mild psychedelic effects on some individuals, while others report a mild psylocybin action ingesting 100-120 freshly picked leaves [various positive reports on the net]. Needless to say, other dismiss any action, maybe ignoring that Coleus blumei is a vastly hybridized species.

    I was given such a plant - it remarkably resembles the plant depicted in Plants of the gods and is propagated very easily with cuttings. It has differences from some 'Coleus blumei' I have seen both online and in my area, used ornamentally. I also believe that the Coleus depicted here in apothecary's post is largely different than the interesting one morphologically.

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    The amount of 100 leaves eaten hasn't yet been determined as being posititve, but my friend Swim, who happens to be an avid MJ smoker, has positively determined obvious synergistic effect with coleus leaves + MJ and even reported to have worked positively of a bad "sleepy" batch of MJ. The coleus leaves sustituting half of tobacco smoke made the joints much more euphoric, stimulating effect for that particular strong but sleepy batch. He has had mild but always positive results.

    What I want to say, is that for someone to experiment with Coleus, he must first find the right Coleus. I believe I do and I personally am convinced for this plant's psychoactivity. I will report more if the oral way is used.

    IDENTIFICATION

    I will also post two links to suggest which plant is more identical to mine and that depicted in the aforementioned book.

    http://www.plantoftheweek.org/week249.shtml

    This first one is not the interesting one. The colours are more dull. greens are dull, reds also. I have seen such plants to develop a crawling habit, branches growing also horizontaly. Also, some stems are not plain green, but sometimes in darker colours like purplish.

    http://www.linnaeus.nu/Bibliotek/vaxt.asp?idnr=260

    now this is more likely to be the one. The colours are bright, greens are light and bold , reds bright . Here , the new growth is developing only vertically and the stems are light green. The original Coleus blumei can be quite a high plant.

    Feel free to ask questions ! Glad to be here :)

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