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Is it better to attempt an exctraction with fresh material before drying, if one can choose? The dried material I folded in newspaper 2 weeks ago is a bit harsh to smoke and is still a bit sticky. It did produce some 'effects', but more essays are needed, for sure. Planthelper, do you have any tips for a curing process for leonotis leonorus flowers when I shouldn't do anything but wait? [skipping the alternater humidity and dry parts etc] Cool if it works for other material too, even though I noticed that the newpaper drying produced a pleasant hyoscyamus smoke.

interesting, can you give any links to this? How do you mean it stops action, in the long run, or during a trip? Also, did african tribes combine it with leonotis daggas as well? Anyone tried this combo? Moreover, leaving combos aside, if 50mg of the prepared dried powder is the recommended dose [which seems to be true, as there are enough reports around about kanna being unpleasant in larger doses], then which would be a recommended redose timeline, assuming one would like to have an uplifting euphoric session, maybe have some drinks as well, etc... It's interesting planthelper also mentions this which also makes a lot of sense Also, you say chewing is you prefered method, does this apply to dry powedered material? fresh one? or freshly fermented material? It seems some tribes skipped the fermentation part, but this is unhealthy no?

Thanks for tips wishes and replies folks... I updated the setting covering the sides with white glossy paper and lowering the light. I hope they won't burn at that height . The temperature of the soil is 19-20 near the surface I guess, while the ambient's a couple degrees more. Will be doing night long measurement [my temp-meter is cheapy but still has a pod and a min max function] I am begining to think it's already working because a couple of peres [which also don't like colder weather] showed activity in the eyes as well, I think, a tricho seedling graft is finally showing some sign it's really taken! I suppose rotation would be advisable in the setting ... huh?

No I don't have bottom pads. But I think it's gannw be pretty warn... Will take the temperature and report back. Thanks for comments, I see it exactly as you said: a good start. I might eventually lower the light as you said, and rather will, as well as put white walls to the sides and/maybe some reflectors. And I might also try another one with bigger light... so what should I get??? any tips?

Yep, me too, seems challenging [among other things] to cultivate some of the slowest growing species of cacti how much do arios of flowering size cost on the net?

Well, it's the cactus surface supposed to contain more alkaloids? Wouldn't this explain the potency per weight?

well.... they ARE perennial, no??? Well I don;t have them for so long, but they do seem to live lots of years... LOL, love you man !!! ;)

that doesn't sound like my idea of mediterranean we get hot and dry simultaneously mid May till mid Sep there 3 or 4 olives in the land, abandoned for years No no amanita with these pines... I always have found them with plain Abies cephalonica forest or mixed Abies forest above 800 in my area , even though I know it occurs in pine forests here, but only in high altitudes, as far as I know. Crocus sp [saffron] would do just fine. They occur in great numbers wild here. wattles?? I was thinking of some tree..!?! Frankincense sounds interesting, especially if christianity banned it ;) nice tip! It seldom gets frosty, even though it could be a bit more in 300m [the said land] yeah there's irragation pipe alright, no problem with that ... Daturas grow as a weed here, especially near cultivation sites. Brugmansias also do well, but they get a bit ugly when attacked my spidermite or other pests, but they are hardy and sure survive. Their semi-evergreen character propably helps with this. Nice you note this. I have also gave thought to this... Do people crop olives in australia? Anyways, I suspect the australias problem with ouside plants has mostly to do with its isolation. I don't think Acactias would be too agressive here, so as to attack current ecosystem, but sure, the most dry-hardy of them coul;d get out of control . Many acacias are cultivated as ornamentals here, and I have read some species might act as weeds in mediterranean climate... What Acacias would one suggest as ethno plants?? thanks also for the terschecki tip. I feel very .. 'something' for this cactus.... would love to have a huge speciman in 20 years time to see

Ballzac, LoL !

Thanks a lot for quick and willing replys! No single pic can describe this... and my friend doesn't want to to post photos of it. it's an uneven piece of earth, but also has its flatways. We will not chop but the necessery shrubs and/or trees while we plan ahead. We plan not destroying anything, just taming wilderness a bit, so as to make space for 'new' species, our garden No not flash flooding... the gully and the whole uneven part of land is kind of individual and unrelated, humidity-wise with the main flatland [about 800 m^2 and a couple of other flatlands [300+500 m^2]. The land is in the foothill of a large local mountain, at 300m altitude. The main gully is old and natural, and is actually one of the borders of the land. Smaller gullies and streams [all ending own at the main gully at the lower, steepest and less accessible part of the land] seemed to be more active in the old days than now, but are still natural ways of streaming water and rainfall ;) heh, south greece, too In the north, there's frost alright ;) I hope above comments of mine are more detailed - also, by humid/shady spote I was refering to spots that due to mophlogical reasons and also because they are rather shady can hold humidy a lot more, I think... Practice, no theory will tell, anyways, but there will be also watering taking place, mind you... Greece is no tropical place I know, on the contrary, it gets very very dry here... and this is only getting worse year by year... [another discussion though...] PD. >> yeah trichos are surely in our agenda ;) Do people have any general tips for different, more unknown trichos like wendermanianus and terscheckii requirements as apposed to the more known fast growing Trichos like peru + pacha? T.bridgesii is also supposed to be a bit slower grower and less water tolerant, no? { I have already witnessed a bridge growing very fast, but anyway] Teotz, thanks for the generous listing you offer... This was actually a thread about what certain plants like, so as to pick spots for each and plan ahead what we might do. Sure plants will be propagated and then experimentally placed in decided spot, not all are expected to thrive or even live , we are not so ambitious. My questions have a bit the sense of minimising the loss ;) Plants that can only make it inside are kind of 'excluded' from this discussion, because this is about free-root-run plants... Actually this is salvias last resort in greece, as it's fucking frustrating to grow Salvia in such a dry climate [atmosphere dry, I mean]... It has been suggested to me, that outdoor cultivation might be 'the solution' for my area, but still, the elevation is not enough in said spot, hence the humid and shady spots ;) Also, sure such a garden would satisfy an individual's 'entheogenic needs' but this is only a tiny fraction of what we have in mind. 'Preservation' or 'research' are terms so commonly used, so I won't go into it, but I also like to think I will be able to provide [in the years to come] to people we approve and feel for their approach the potential to create their own saga. I like the idea we might be able to help boost certain individuals inclination for growing, research, search for truth .... anyways... Stocking for own use is quite easy if you ask me. And sure, food and spice herbs are sure part of friend's plan. He plans to make his house there also! Maybe even be self-sufficient in half of his needs ! Salvia is very easy to grow, if it is where it loves to be, but hey, try to grow salvias during greece's dry as fuck summer!!! Now this is a challenge! And this is about Salvia divinorum, not the dry tollerant Salvias that would thrive here [there are many native/naturalised salvias in Greece anyway, as well as wild Salvia Officinalis [ nothing like the cultivated stuff ;) , also perfect culinary] Nice point. I feel african plants wouls do fine here. [iboga] Still , stoneplants puzzle me and I have yet to study further You seem to have something in your mind, spacemonk, but this didn't actually 'pass' to me. Please explain a bit more this will check that funky peanut you mentioned ;) Which reminded me of Desmanthus, and it's ability to make nitrogen, if I am not mistaking... Is it true that Desmanthus, as well as Peganum, I think, are best sowed late in spring or early summer??? I got some minor indications for this, and this would explain my relative failure with these plants [my peganums that made it , vegetated quite by mistake in 'failed' harmala sowings pots that had other plants in. The latest popped some weeks ago in a pot where a myrti was transplanted .... plantshelper > Well some good fellow of mine has educated me in pachanois fast frowing scheme, and every fast growing tricho for that matter. Pedros are sure to go first in spots with lots of sun and water. But I do want to help him make a 'cactus garden' and this might include slow growing species like Astrophytum and Lophophoras in soil - remember we have a somewhat considerable amount of rainfall only in automn and winter, so a dry slope might help to such a thing. So yes, you got a point but I was thinking of the most slow growing species for this particular area... What about a terscheckii? like, the central cactus of that cactigarden spot [look forward to 20 years from now ;) ] Thanks for the tip on caappi [thats the type of info I am looking for ;)] , not absolute truths or recipees of success, only hint's'n'tips of what could be propable... acacias and anadenatheras seem also ideal. is it also better to sow them late as with //earlier desmanthus/peganum// arguement? Now that I think of it, I had success with mimosa pudica, also sown in moderate pot late in spring plantshelper, thanks a lot man, your replies always educate me [not to underestimate others, though!] Sorry for my ranting, I thank you all and hopefully I will be here around in some 3 [?} years to symbolically pay back to this wonderful community something. I simply cannot find a better forum than this for my current pathway and research, and if someone know something [a forum] that might suit me, please make suggestions

Wow, that sounds really like a pest.... bummer... http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/bugreview/earwigs.html This is the fucker you're talking about, huh? I hadn't seen this bug for years, and I saw in a couple days ago in my flowering leonotis, but that was quite higher and colder than my residence where keep my other plants. I thought it was lurking for other bugs, and maybe it was... because the Leonotis flowers was crowded with various bugs...

Torsten have you not seen seeds initial potency related to the seeds a mature plant [coming from the very same seeds] will produce? I mean, can potent viable seeds produce a plant which makes impotent seed?? Ever had this?

Yeah, MORG's entry kicks some serious ass

Nice research Kada! I didn't understand though, did you archieve effects? and if yes with how many seeds? I also had in mind that thing with the fungi IN the seeds co-producing the LSAs, actually that was the reason I didn't apply fungicide to my argyreia last winter when it got some fungal problem.... This goes to all LSAs-producing vines... Also there are notions that Turbinas has a preferable alkaloid profile, and t s t seems to confirm it... SO it's not only the dose [# of seeds] here, but also the nature and flavour... Turbinas are reputed to cause a preferable experience... There are also notions that Ipomoeas are more visual compared to argyreias.... I would guess each has its merits. F.e. argyreia seeds offer consistency in dosage.... Turbinas might introduce some othre interesting / wanted element T st, in what way would you say Turbina experiences are different?

Brugmansias made illegal???? Well, I am glad to see Ballzacs pictures, becuase now I have a nice comparison to my plants... And I guess its interesting for all of us to have similar aged/sized plants and see how they develop... I for one am in a total different part of the world than you ozzies It took me some time, but I have began to figure out what all these KK666 stuff and numbers mean, namely the KK339, which was of current interest, since I got one... I will be posting a photo in the original give-away thread... Would you care for me posting here as well, inco??

Thanks for sharing!!! Awesome

Well this is my first year with cacti.... but I got some older ones, which I 'adopted' The oldest cacti I have are some old members of an old cactus collection my father used tp have and neglected. The older of them propably has to be that Stretsonia coryne which even threw a pup after a couple of months of sun & watering [following some years of neglect]. A Stenocereus and a Mammilaria also there plus a couple of others.... The first cacti I got myself was a T.pachanoi seedling I got sent as a newbee in here from Jono AKA Incognito [thanks mate:)] . It was around these days that I also bought a Gymnocalycium baldianum, an Echinopsis subtenuata, an Astrophtum myriostigma and a Mammilaria hahniana {?} all of which flowered this year thus confirming their ID [the last one flowering these days...] These 4 I bought, along from the pedro that came from australia will have to be some kind of classic in my collection, in the future, If I live to see it grow bigger Nice thread, and nice reading your stories about how you got hooked on cacti

Some Coleus blumei leaf [not all strains work and not everyone seems to be able to appreciate mild highs] could enhance and give a non-sedative, somewhat euphoric, more psychedelic touch to a smoking mix. Coleus smoke alone is supposed to act rather as a dream enhancer, or one has to ingest much plant material. I have no idea what one could combine coleus with, apart from cannabis, which is illegal everywhere though... Salvia divinorum leaf works, and can be enjoyable in small doses, but I would say it has a sedative nature anyways... Combo with S.officinalis might not be such a bad idea...

nice comments micromegas and all, even though I am heavily inclined to plant in soil any plant of mine I want to take better care for.

Great on your side mr. puft I am in for the free pups, even though more interested in the peruv, from which I don't have any Good luck to everybody

hand {MSpaint} drawn - does it show ?? I know, it seems like a cheap marketing trick...

I liked all Misteeks entries, especially the frist collage... Ballzacs I lean also... And cycles entries also

"Ecstasy analogues found in cacti" Jun 2008 abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18720674 peace

yet another diplo/bani thread Interesting info and links, thanks all

Yeah this certainly looks like Phlomis genus, these are from the most usual plants, it's everywhere around here... I think they have no use ... Actually I don't like this plant... It seems to cause some short of breathing annoyance that lasts for a while to some people, at least mediteranean species I am familiar with... nothing like salvias, both in uses or smell....