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I am talking about lsa, and sometimes in combination with dmt containing seeds. Again you have said that they are bad for your body but whether permanent dammage is done depends on how often you have them. So is a two week break (at least) in between each session still a frequency that should be of concern? You see I usually give myself a break evey couple of weeks with either alcohol or psychadelics. I would prefer psy anytime as with alcohol it just keeps on going...

Well there have been some quite good replies here and a general point is that it is ok if done in moderation. But what is actually moderation. Would having it around once every two weeks (or month) be overdoing it. The thing that I like about psychadelics is that you have it once and then you do not have anything at all for the whole night, i.e. you would not eat any bad food or drink alcohol as it just taste bad. I got turned off a bit afetr I heard about the blood vessel constriction as I have some family history of high blood pressure and some heart problems. So I thought I will have a drink and be more social but the problem with drinking is it seems like you loose your mind and will do many more stupid things and usually keep drinking until early hours of the morning if you go out (and did not end up getting a girl earlier in the night). You see I am sure it would have been much better for me juist to chew say 8 HWS rather than drinking from 9pm until 5 am. I would have not eaten the MC, not inhaled os much smoke and would have kept working teh next day as usual. Rather you wake up thinking of bad things and wanting to satisfy that need because of the failed attempt the night before. Now I do seem to agree a bit with that remark of an earlier post that too many psychadelics may make you hopeless with girls. I never knew whether it was actually too much science making me hopeless or the other thing, or I used to be a little socially handicapped from early on. Not sure but there is also that theory that sometimes if people remained simple you would be more happier. Well it is true in some cases as with some opportunities I overthink it and whereas I would have got what I wanted if I just played it simple. Then again with really cool openminded girls I do seem to click much easier but there is such a minority of those around, and those ones that seem to be trapped in fashion etc. it is like there is nothing even to talk about, like no connection at all except for satisfying the animal need. Now in regards to psychological problems and having a different aspect of reality to others. Who is to say that the majority's definition of reality is the correct one. I am sure the psychadelics would have made one more aware of themselves and experience the true life instead of just letting their current sub-personalities lead their life for them. (Actually there are even psychological studies on this that do not even mention the use of psychadelics but use other thechniques) It seems as the psychadelics let you see that there is a true self independent of all the sub-personalities that is what people usually use to identify themselves with. I have known a "mentally ill" person which when I have heard about their problems thought that they are just telling themselves that they are mental because of the strange thoughts that occurr and they keep re-inforcing the idea that they have problems. The thoughts create your universe so I guess people with bad thought may well be in bad universe but I am sure there is a resolution to their problem. Anyway I should not jinx myself as I have often been called crazy but in not such a bad way, and i do admit that my mind does play some tricks on me some time but difference is before it may have worried me while now I let it execute and nearly be proud of it. We all can act "crazy" or "normal" but being in touch with the higher self lets you choose and play with your sub-personalities in necessary situations. I used to eb a heavy tobacco smoker and on my first shroom experience i was walking in that personality void state for a few hours and then it occurred to me: hey that is right I smoke and I lit one up to realize that it was a silly thing and just a thought rather than an addiction, and not long after I quit. While at the cigarettes topic, I believe these signs and pictures of how smoking is bad forr you and addictive is doing much more harm for the smokers because of the power of mind many do not realize. i.e. every time a smoker picks up a packet and sees the sign "smoking is addictive" the thought will be re-inforced in his btrain every time. The link in the brain associated with smoking and I cannot stop it will be strengthened all the time. Now, imagine what it does with all the bad diseases people keep seeing that it causes that and after a while their mind may just make it become true. At this time there is no proof for this but it is just a belief. I guess everyone could relate a bit as we know how crucial it is to have positive thought in times of high awareness. I think it is such a bad thing. Why don't they put pictures of really fat people and heart disease on greasy foods, chocolate, coke etc. Anyway this is outside the scope of the topic. One last thing I wanted to raise in regards to HWS is that even though it may cause increase blood pressure and blood vessel constriction I believe it is hardly possible that it will do permanent dammage. Doing weights etc constricts your blood vessels, increases blood pressure but after the duration it stabilizes back to normal. I am not encouraging its use or spreading false infromation. This is just an opinion and should not be taken as a well researched fact. I have been unable to find that earlier post that talked a lot about HWS. I am just new here and not sure about how proper seraching works and at the same time busy to keep replying and hence I wrote this whole general thought at once.

Actually I would never recommend smoking the good old cannabis for the duration as I found that the effects are totally weakened and if smoked too much the cannabis effect often takes over. Perhaps it does not matter that much at the peak but if one consumes cannabis before the onset I am almost certain the trip will not even reach its potential. This can be even noticed on some reports. Whenever mixed with MJ the experiencer was not impressed at all with the effects. In fact the best experienece when no cannabis was consumed for the whole day (preferrably a week) and in general a healthy week went by. Well I was never worried about the feeling it gives you for the duration but for the actual long-term effects. I find it more that the surroundings are the main factor as around good music and atmosphere the energy provided is extreme and there is no pain whatsoever.

Well I have had a look at the vasoconstriction effect but I am still a bit unsuccesfull to find whether it is only for the duration and if constricting the blood vessels frequently will cause some heart implications in future eg. high blood pressure or so. Are the blood vessels likely to be affected permanently by this. This fact definately explains some experiences I had so thanks for the info. Now in regards to the psychological effect I have often heard that it may only trigger the'craziness' in people who were already potentially going this way but I guess overdoing anything may stuff around with your mind. These panic attacks or anxiety attacks do they happen only in certain situations or often for no particular reason at all. I am not really sure how you identify these and whether I have them but I do get anxious with work when I have to get something done quickly and especially making quick decisions about alternatives. I always thought this was just usual stress or regret for not acting optimally in given situations.

I always thought it was better to stick to naturals than to synthetic psychadelics but all these posts are definately all saying otherwise. Even when you say that lsa makes you urinate frequently it seems to happen as soon as you even have a small drink while otherwise it may happen only at the start. I once heard a funny theory from some guy that likes to take these things as he feels that it clears his body from the all the bad stuff through heaps of vomiting. Then when you look at the way in which som ant-oxidants work it is similar. For example to get rid of the toxins from your body that enter your body in daily life it is recommended that you have drinks or stuff that makes you urinate quite often. Of course your reply would be that it is the toxins that you have taken in through the lsa or muchrooms that the body is getting rid of and not daily toxins. The information that you gave that lsa (A. nervosa) constricts blood vessels sounds quite bad. Where is this information from and I am assuming it is only for the duration. I have read somewhere that it can cause hart failure by too many fast beats if consumed in large quantities. The main reason for my concern is that I have quite frequently used A.nervosa while lsd is quite hard for me to obtain. I quite like the feelings of A. nervosa and quite used to some onset headache or nausea but this info is definately making me worried. I guess taking a couple of seeds every two days would be equally bad as consuming it once in large quantities. What about peganum harmala as I have a few times mixed it with A.nervosa and it is quite a great experience. I guess one could ask many questions but as everyone says in these posts the harmful effects are poorly documented. Well thanks everyone for some useful information here. I think it will result in a great reduction of my 'naturals' intake :-(. I thought there could be some antidotes like withania somnifera, cats claw and all those health benficial teas that if you take a break every few weeks and drink all the healthy stuff and many antioxidant teas it will be ok.

This may sound a bit of a stupid question but basically when I did some research on the topic in most cases the bad effects of alcohol are well documented in terms of long term harmful effects to health while for psychadelics in general there is hardly any information of what it may do or harm if used often (say onece ever 1-2 weeks). In some large university book which to my surprise contained nearly every psychadelic when it comes to harmful effects or negative stuff it is always associated with the onset stuff like nausea and vomitting and during the effects eg. paranoia, hallucinations. Maybe the only one is flashbacks but that is not so bad (in my opinion at least). Now the reason I am questioning this is that besides the known bad effects of alcohol to me personally it is much worse eg. no good work the next day, feeling bad, harder control of thoughts etc. etc. I have heard that some seeds when eaten are toxic to the liver but so is alcohol ... but to what extent. Now the question is say would it be "better" for you to eat some 'seeds' (arg nerv, rue) on a weekend instead of drinking a decent amount of alcohol (eg. 8-10 beers). Now i am not saying that to go to parties one should do one or the other but you know every so often one gets the need to alternate and for me the fun produced by the natural occuring stuff is way better in all ways than alcohol (perhaps not for socializing purposes, but then again you may spill some sensitive information). Is anyone aware on any documentation on this topic or at least on more detailed bad or long term effects of psychadelics (if there are any) as I have never found any decent infomation. Even the hospital guide did not really say much about the bad effect except for onset and duration aspects (which I am sure for the experienced ones it is not even bad). The only thing it said is that it MAY affect memory. I have looked at the erowid website which to my knowledge is the greates source of information but I still did not find something specific to longterm effects in that large sea of knowledge. From another train of thought, sometimes a small amount of arg nerv (1-3) may even help me with work due to the extra focus, awareness and silenting of desires and actually I am at a time where such effects are highly sought after. However, it would not be worth it as a trade off for good health. So if anyone is aware of any good sorce of information on this or anything at all please let me know. It would be highly appreciated.

Thanks for the useful information. I have read some other related posts and it seems as it may be ok if smoked slowly with a few minutes in between each toke. Now with your indication of insufflation being several times worse, would it really be worth the difference in the good effects. I don't know if I have been misguided by a myth but apparently its potential is great even taking you into a fairy tale or total different space/dimension, and I thought it is the insufflation of a large amount that is necessary for this.

Yeah that is the proceudre I take and no I never used the skin and I doubt that it would contain anything.

I was wandering if it is possible to get good effects by preparing a snuff with only powdered Anadenadenthera Colubrina seeds without using any additives. I would like to try avoiding the intake of lime as it appears quite harmful. I have read a few posts with Baking Soda but not sure if this is also harmful and whether it actually works. Some people suggested using glucose as that is the safest but not sure if that will produce the necessary reaction. Has anyone ever tried the snuff with no additives or has any information on alternative mixture that may be less harmful. Why I really want to try the snuff is that I have had a few experiments smoking the A. Colubrina seeds and basically the main downfall is that I cannot get enough of the smoke down before I start feeling really sick (and often vomit). I have read some reports and its potential is to totally alter the reality but I can never quite succeed and usually end up with a much milder effect. I have struggled hard to have as much as about 3-5 seeds at once and that was full on but not the same as good wattle extract. Was I perhaps just a seed or two away or just misinformed of its large potential. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.