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again, trying to dismiss someones opinion by belittling them. It isnt a becoming trait Torsten, and it doesn't make you any smarter. You have actually got it all wrong, I wasnt the monkey, Stoney was, not for trying to talk about an alternative, as you claim, but for coming across like a total deadshit, by saying, total deadshit things.

vert!! although my attention span makes it impossible to read your posts... i do try to skim through them sometimes, since that time u pissed me offabout something... im glad I did, cause the above quote cracked me up!

you can call me slow all you like torsten... belittling people is a great way to make your opinion seem more intelligent.

maybe my point is that I don't care if a paedophiles life is fucked for the rest of their lives. I think they deserve it for preying on the most vulnerable members of society in such a way. but I guess you decided to go along with the general flow of this topic which seems to be to try and misinterpret every poster as much as possible. but then, the opposite side of the debate in this thread, seems only to want to go against the general flow, as if there is some sort of valor in not agreeing with the mainstream. Some of us are being labelled as "the moral majority", and "the hardliners" (a great way to try to create some sort of shame relating to our stance), for having a belief that molesting 8 year olds is wrong ( which I'm sure everyone here also believes, so why the debate?). None of us have said that there is not other issues such as age of consent, etc. But we do believe that it is a black and white issue in regards to molesting 8 year olds. As much as our society is flawed.... the sheep can't always be wrong.

thats a sad story sparkster. It is a whole other issue though, which nowdays, as opposed to 20 years ago has reached a level of hysteria relating to men working in a profession where they are in close contact with children. An old friend once told me that when she was studying to be a child care worker, they had a type of work experience, where people bought there kids into the campus, to be minded for the day. She said that one of the mothers came in, and asked with disgust, why a male was doing child care, as if to suggest that he had sinister motives. Another friend of mine worked for a while at a school as a teachers aid. I was disturbed by the fear which was prevalent within the school system, and is prevalent within our society as a whole. At this particular school, and I have been led to believe that it is common across the board, teachers were not allowed to touch students. This includes picking them up if they fall over, touching them when they approach you to hug (as kids do.) etc. It is almost at the point where any man hanging around with a child is suspect of paedophilia. As for a homosexual man hanging around with a child.... well, if they fuck men, then they must fuck boys... please don't take that remark the wrong way, it's just an illustration of the common social attitude. That said, it is really a separate issue from the one discussed previously in this thread.

no, you got all the shit ones

I've known Stoney for many years and to anyone who has known him for that long it would appear that ridiculing his intellect in the way as has been done in this thread can only reflect badly on the author rather than stoney. people have only responded to the intellect that has been presented to them. Stone may well be an intelligent fellow, but he has failed make that obvious within this thread. I don't agree with Stoney and I think he misses a major point, but then again I feel the rest are also missing his point. I understand his point, but it was expressed very poorly, and blurred with bizarre rants One major aspect that has not been addressed is the effect that incarceration has on pedophiles. It does nothing to stop their urges, but it does a lot to fuck up the rest of their lives. I hear that getting fucked when you are 8 by a 30 yo occasionally fucks up the rest of your life. Things are not as clear cut for 'kids' that are sexually active and I have no answer for those situations - and neither does the legal system as it keep changing. I believe its not paedophilia if a 10 yo old is sexually active with a 10 year old. It is an issue though, if a 10 yo is sexually active with a 30 yo. I think the law recognises this difference to some extent (not sure about 10, but I think it is no offence to have sex with a 15 year old if the number of years between ages is minimal, 1 or 2 years, I can't remember) That said... i don't really have anything more to say about this, and infact, should not have really got involved in the 1st place, because, as we all know, it is not really like me to discuss things seriously in here. I just thought I would respond to torstens spiel, as... we cant let him have the last word

any more takers?

just wondering about the best seasons to plant these. I would have thought early spring for most....but I have noticed alot of foxgloves coming up in my garden in the last month.. and also a couple of E primrose. Do any of u have some advice about the best time of your to plant the seeds mentioned in title? thanks

i thought i had something to say... but i was just foolish

interesting find I look forward to hearing more about this one

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/eastcalc.htm http://www.assa.org.au/edm.html#Method

STFU reshroomed!!! only kidding

its good to see come enthusiasm

There is no difference in punishment mandated for looking at something or being the one who created the garbage. I'm the only one who thinks that's odd. well, there is actually jono is worried about what someone is jacking off to. I'm worried about actual children being harmed. Denying porn to pervs is forcing them out on the streets. You self righteous lot are responsible for more children being harmed, not less. children are being harmed in the production of these images, which are apparently, "the only tool available to prevent kids being molested" stonehenge... u r a real piece of work. If you want people to say looking at pictures is not as bad as making them.... then fine, it is not, they are not physically molesting them, so there is a clear difference. If you are wanting people to say it is not a harmful, or even that it is a beneficial activity.... then, they are not going to, ever. There is a number of reasons why it is wrong, including the fact that they are happy to watch children being abused; and that by knowing that the images have been produced, and not reporting them, they are most likely promoting further abuse. Within society, all adults have the responsibility of protecting children from such harms, as alot of the time, they they are incapable to protecting themselves.

glad to hear that they are going well.... my plants have really gone off over the last few weeks. I would be offering tort cuttings aswell, but I have sort of lost track of the tort mother plants, except for one... which I will have to establish some plants from, and label this time Thanks for the plug water, you were great to deal with... very friendly

u made me laugh!

The reason that nobody bothered to answer your so-called hard questions, is that they are not hard.... more, just dumb. Lets try again. Should female pedos be locked up, executed or some lesser punishment? <-- one of the questions no one will touch with a 10 meter pole. They should be punished in the same manner as men commiting the same offence. This is not an issue that comes up very often at all, and not something that benefits your argument in any way. And this is an argument for what exactly? Are you saying that stopping the porn will make them lose interest in children? Or is it more likely that if they do not have safe outlets for their deviation that they might look for real children to molest. <-- another tough question you will all run from. it is not a safe outlet for the kids getting fucked in the images.... you do not seem to get this?? OK, I can go along with that. But I think acting out, in other words actually harming children, is far worse than looking at nasty pictures. I know no one can understand that, or if they do they know better than to speak up. Are you saying we should lock up those with deviant impulses whether they act on them or not? There is a fair amount of evidence that they are born that way, not a matter of choice. They are acting on the impulses by looking at pictures of kids getting fucked And of course no one wants to touch the question about porn involving necrophilia, bestiality and so on. Isn't that morally wrong too? Should we lock up all those with "immoral" impulses or thoughts? Where are the thought police when you need them? I believe these images are deemed illegal, and I am sure there are consequences for possesion of such.

damn.... that would have been cheaper than the $150 that I payed for it!!

is it just me... or will burglars etc. just be hanging out for this hour?

i have tried a couple of times in water... and they have just died...i did not put a bottle or anything over them to preserve moisture though. I have noticed... they sort of shoot up suckers (for lack of a better term, although, im sure one exists) I had a little look for roots on these, but to no avail... do these shoots develop roots?

1 pup

I guess this is a good time for you to get your rocks off, and give me an ID... i think I saw an ID for this in another thread a while back, but never got around to writing it down. It is naturally skinny, im not sure if that can be perceived in pics thanks guys

thanks strange

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