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well these buggers are not easy to get ahold and master. in hot mediteranean weather you have to place pots in places of part shade om summer maybe its better to pick a climber var and place in a shadier place well, its one thing to get them started and another to keep them happy in pots.... once established they need as big pot as you can give them... better even in the ground... ground is their thing, maybe because they are gymnosperms, relatives to conifers. these here are not big enough pots , and certainly not suitable for the the greek summer, hence its neesed to be shaded in the hottest past of the day.. but some - several are recent repottings.. I think they should be eventually be potted in barrels or in the ground, or at least 25-30 liters pots in the pic you are seeing non native species, some or most transplanted, some pretty happy in the shadier place.. others suffered and almost dead .. TBC (to be continued) PS: new sowing - spanish fragilis behave somewhat like foeminea.. we will see

cool find! dont mess with root cutting in the begining. try to care for the plant and what it needs.

Sharing this cool pic. It seems several species do necter drops.

smelling the flowers is reported to be very mildly intoxicating.. its generally not a good idea to rub the cuttings and juice over you body, hehehe. avoid this.

Sorry for not clarifying, the huge flowering and fruiting circle referred to E. foeminea and E. cf fragilis foeminea. Possibly also E.alata and E. aphylla (from your list) with which they are closely related genetically. RE> collecting seeds in the bot garden.. It would be a cool idea to check out the number of plants they have for each species and how closely different species which are related genetically are.. OF course you know that for fruit and seed to be produced we need one male and one female plant, even though, some species tend to rarely make plants with both types of flowers on. Whatever the case, different species of Ephedra is possible to hybridise and a botanical garden would be the place where this might be the most possible place to happen. Not saying the seed will be hybrid, just mentioning the possibility. RE> companion plants.. I dont think either of your examples are good. In the wild , bolivia I think, tricho bridgesi co-occurs with Ephedra chiloensis. But they are in the ground not in a pot. Both trichos and ephedra eventually need lots of space.. Trichos eventually make a very dense root that constantly - over the years I mean, needs repotting.. Lophos on the other hand are pretty short, the shapes of lophos as compared to ephedras are really different. I do have two chiloensis in a pot with Polaskia crest mother plant. I have mandrakes growing in pots along with the pachycereus marginatus crest which does a tap root. But I dont think all kinds of combinations would be ideal. But hey, you should give it a try, Ι Like the idea of the loph better, but have in mind that foemineas f.e. get big quite soon, that is if you are succesfful, you will soon need to separate them.. but chiloensis might be a much better species to choose for companion plant. it also doesnt seem to throw underground shoots...

MeanGreen> I think the mold gets the remains of the fruit not the seed.. I had some similar fears when I was given seed with dry fruit, but it germed fine. I also think each species has its own flowering time: gerardiana sik seem to be budding now but they also did mid summer last year. the minimas are also budding ... I think these plants havent yet established, I might seem to have find its "way" but its still a slow grower. I definately know the cycle of my local plants. They flower and fruit from end august till early spring!!! thats a huge flowering circle from large colonies of plants... So maybe they can be quite versatile in that aspect. distachya is reported to flower may - july . about the sprouting time and rate, are you using a heat mat? I found that it helped with all kinds of germinations from caapi to capsicum chinense (super hot chilli) to ephedra to cacti to mandragora....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plectranthus_scutellarioides There are lots of reports for its oneirogenic effects, it should be interesting for people into lucid dreaming. There are less reports for its psychoactivity. Check out this huge old thread, its got lots of posts.

very nice blooms! you did not clarify if the different one occured in a different plant, which would indicate there was some variation in the seed that produced that seedlings. also, daturas might flower even when small, its a seasonal thing and less related with the size I would say..

Thanks, man that would be awesome.. remember that it having a good root is more important than taking lots of green stuff. Don't take rootless cutlings! And plant ASAP with as much root as you can. And now some of what I call "plates" . pictures that are self-explanatory

SPRING TIME UPDATE!!! So its time for an update , as the weather slowly warms - we had a pretty wet winter - the ephedras become more and more active. Some small snail damage is not of concern. I planted 6 pots of seed-grown cf fragilis and my biggest 1 year old sinica in a high altitude house we got. This should have been made a bit earlier, but its all good. Very wet winter this year.. Initially I intended to plant gerardiana, but I changed my mind as sinica seems to be doing a bit better (?) in my climate and also I didnt have the right gerardi plant/cutting now. I am showing the cf fragilis I planted down in the pics, some pots had 2 or 3 plant inside and they are pretty energetic and active, throwing strong climer shoots . fast species! I kept one of them because it seems to be a miniature curiocity or something. With the exeption of chiloensis, which is not supposed to throw sprouts , it seems that many or most species throw underground shoots. I dont know yet if the american species viridis and nevadensis do it. I guess we will see.. nevadensis definately seems to have some resemblance with chilonsis in that it tends to become shrubby, but its branches seem to happily go horizontally, instead of the erect chiloensis. I am also showing the progress in that old barrel if you remember the picture from page one.

^^^^^ Dude, I am very interested in some of them, especially alata and aphylla - whichever of them is crawler-climber in habit . why dont you ask to get some seeds if they do set some? Cuttings of course would be awesome too.

hey hello, in the last 2 months I have been searching and finding shells of sea moluscs and also fossilized leaves and branches, coal, a small spider etc. My finds are local - the deposits are dated from upper pliocane to upper pleistocane.. these are clay deposists. my the whole area was submerged back then... Anyone into searching or that has found some nice fossil? any pleiocane-pleistocane finds?

Paradox there are fantastic finds. Permian wow dude! Unfortunately I have to travel a bit to get to areas with older fossils. Amazing creatures, I feel a bit jealous. Here are my most recent finds. A whole Ostrea and a couple fossil shells. I will return to show some leaves and wood matter and maybe say a bit more about my area. Correction: I said my whole area was submerged (in water) back then, well, not all of it, and definately not the mountains above an elevation. I live by the sea but mountains are pretty close - actually hills start from the shore in many occasions. PS: hey Wile, what are those mate?

one neo-fascist triggered so far from what I can tell , TI, you dont have anything to say, you are just annoyed by the FACT that the original Homo sapiens is a nigga.

I am watching some reverts from my european crests, they haven't yet re-crested but I am very curious to what will happen. but it doesnt happen a lot. also yeah, sure the TBM crest reverts back to penis, that's what it does, its not your water. I have rooted many of that penis reverts to compare with the normal (clone B ) that I have - I think they're different.

you propably mean the capacity of a plant to be able to propagate from leaf cuttings. well for the plants it works, more often for succulents, less often for real plants, it is much slower, so in any case a real cutting is better. there's not really a general rule, but several groups of succulent genuses can be propagated with leaves. Dont know many real plants that do that.

TI> oh you hate the evil mega rich huh? then how come you worship Trump... and you claim you are a capitalist...I will tell you how come...because like every right wing, you're neurotic, uneducated and stupid. Only a dumb one would say he is capitalist then claim he hates the evil mega rich.. while being a fan of Trump. yes there is strong corralation between jews and wealth.. but not as strong as the correlation of right-wingers with idiocy, lack of education, lack of charisma, lack of personality and crypto-homosexuality among other things.. Thanks for clarification and a burn a fucking flag. HD (even though it might not adress to me) > Well , maybe you people with sleep problems should not try to pretend you are better or that you care about the earth more than us cynics that CAN sleep at night. Besides, being anxious and complaining doesn't solve any problems, but maybe, just maybe, it might show us that some people choose to follow certain goals and point of views only due to an aesthetic or psychological content of theirs. I have met a lady "enviromentalist" on the mountain with a group of mountain walkers that claimed that our group which picked mushrooms were destroying the forest and the mountain and went on to state to her "enviromentalist" friends that its better to kill a bird (as in hunting) than to pick a mushroom which was pretty funny.. Well she picked the wrong team to do that... Then she went on climbing as I strongly opposed her and I procceded to attack the whole fucking group following her, the "enviromentalist" group I mean, while they were passing from in front of us and telling to all of them what a dumb cunt that lady was and how she was giving enviromentalists a bad name and that she knew nothing and that they should make her shut up before doing more damage. Some apologised and asked for information on mushrooms and picking. I have worked the artistic and political concept of the wiping out of humans from the year 1997, I was 18 then and have explored the phiilosophical concept of elimination of humans many times more in my early songs. I dont know what failure you are talking about, humans dominate the earth. World politics and science can only deal with the problem. Also its quite elitist to care for the earth while so many humans are starving and living under dictator ships and totalalitarian countries. Us westerners can afford to be concerned with that kind of philosophy.. Just like ancient greeks had slaves to work for them and they came up with democracy and all that fantastic ideas for the time. It always worked like this and it will never be "fair". Its politica, philosophy and science, though, not some conspiracy theorists that haven't grasped how the earth functions.

" I hate these people crop, from the bottom of my soul they are the enemy and need to be destroyed before they destroy us." ThunderIdeal this quote is essentially hate speech. what people should be destroyed dude and are the enemy? Explain or edit out or else.... you got a couple hours....

hahaha, Rockfeller was a philanthropists, rockfeller was especially philanthropist when he said about population control.. and USA have been spreading capitalism with a very philanthropist way. man you are not a capitalist just an idiot.. and I will assume you are poor idiot, a typical for right wingers. well guys 1. the sea levels are rising. that's a fact. but they not rising dramatically as some silly ones seem to think... its a slow gradual proccedure.. dont worry we are safe for a couple generations more. Also the sea level always went up and down in the latest geological epoch, the pleistocane. Where I live was then submerged, there are lots of sea fossils in my area. So, irregardless of whether the climate is changing due to humans or changing anyway or both, the thing is that the climate always changed.. 2. Like hashlings said, trying to play it smart as if he is talking to some 15 year old, yeah, there have been several mass extinction events, one destroyed even 95% of the living species on the planet then.. But there's something important here. first, humans came to evolution exactly because of this extinction event. The mass extinction event gave us the opportunity to rise, that is , the mammals.. So you cannot see mass extinction events like a bad thing. And also a mass extinction always leave some alive, and I am sure us bastards would be in that 5 % .. dont you worry.. You need another point, I feel it.. OK, lets say that we are seeing and measuring alarming data, showing that small extinction events will happen more often.. So its safe to assume that we are heading for some dramatic event in the near future... Can we really reverse it? I dont think so, even if world politics shifted dramatically..... And that is especially if the change is really effected by humans... So we have a dramatic even sometime in the future. GOOD! that's good, we are too many. The "philanthropist" Rockfeller would agree with me. We are too many. And you can rightly assume that the next generation of Homo sapiens rightafter the mass extinctionevent will be coming from the gentic heritage of the likes of Rockfellers, Rotschild and in general the big money.. 3. I think some people have a difficulty to understand how slowly some processes have to boil up, until an event occurs..They might not understand how slowly the geological times go. How complex and multi-parameter of a matter the level of sea is. Essentially people really worried about this must be full of themselves, I feel they must not be understanding how evolution works. How can they say they are for the planet and protecting the planet, and not wanting the human population to be wiped out? We are the #1 animal on the planet, we're numerous and we dont have ANY means to control this population.. whatever happens, humans will be crucial to the epoch after the dramatic event. One thing is for sure.. The dramatic event is the mass extinction of humans, rightlydeserved..Dont you pretend you care of the animals, or you feel the sorry for the planet. Like George Carlin said: "the planet is fine - the people are fucked"

watertrade, you seriously didn't realise why the dude put the pics with the weeds? maybe I can understand where he is coming from, we both cynics... I have a saying when people around me worry too much.. I say why worry if you cant do anything about it?? hashlings>> WHAT FUCKING MASS DESTRUCTION?? LOL humans and cows (and chickens and meat animals) are the most successful animals on the planet (well we are not exactly sure how well they feel, but they're plenty) if either is extincts of reduced to a very small amount it will be a blessing for the earth, what part of this you dont understand? you claim at the begining you dont understand what I mean by ideology and religious stance to any matter, but by the end of your post you mention anarcho-primitivism, as an ideology. So you understand what I mean by ideology, and no I am not an anarcho-primitivist, I like civilisation and culture, that who we are, I just dont glorify it.. and you deny to watch the video... what?? this is one of the top if not the top stand up comedian of all time!! PS: Hey I am not saying there is no problem.. I am saying why get overly anxious about it? I claim you are into it because you like the aesthetic of it, maybe like Raul said, you feel like enviroment warriors, maybe you feel you are actually doing something about it... Or maybe you like the whole mass-extinction tale, in the same way apocalyptic and post apocalyptic films are really commercial nowadays... Me? I'd rather read about the many new data coming from paleoanthropology, which studies the nature and history of us sapiens and homo and relatives... or try to create cactus intergeneric hybrid cactus . TONs of REAL things are out there to be read and seen ... I consider my approach cynic, nature loving and actually pretty optimist. I consider yours more humanist than ecologist thus an ideology not a true science. Also yours is pretty depressing and pessimist. PS: I am pretty sure the sea level is rising at the moment. there are several hot spots that are in 'danger' in the mediteranean , like f.e. Italian city of Venice.. Also greek city of Thessaloniki...

I find this extremely idealistic, this is your own interpretation of the earth crisis and you are trying to imply that you care about it but I dont, and that we are somehow able to individually make a change..... that somehow the rise of the homo sapiens X in the top predator on the earth can lead to sapiens protect the other species and not sapiens wiping out more and more speices. thats not how it goes! I recently read Harari's "Homo sapiens" , what a fantastic book! I recommend it to anyone with any interest in the true history of our species on earth. Cynic, scientific with not a trace of idealism or religious thought.. Pure data analysis. Highly recommended its a massive worldwide hit. Now I am not saying there shouldnt be enviromental laws, but hey, most activists are so full of themselves and their own view of purist ecology, same as with any other ideology from marxism, anarchism to feminism, you name it. Of course our societies should eventually shift to other energy and food paradigms, and its not theory or aesthetics, its pure math.. Resources will eventually run out.. You are saying the biggest problem of humanity is the enviroment.. Maybe. Harari states that only technology can save the demise of the sapiens. The biggest problem of humanity could also be over population which might result in a chain-reaction to the earth both energy and food wise. Did you know that a good portion of nuclear waste are hypothesised to be dumped in the mediterranean sea through sinking ships from the italian mafia? One can only wonder what will happen when these start opening, if they havent already.. So its fucked up.. I dont know what you mean cop-out, noone can get off the planet. The fact I dont choose to get worked up on something I dont really have a say or power on, that is global politics on food, pollution, energy , doesnt mean I am like "fuck it" and "fuck the enviroement" - actually I am very into "think globally think locally" mentality.. and then of course there is this legendary george carlin routine on the matter the routine is so well thought-out that it alone could be a great reply . THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PLANET Me? I believe the biggest problem of humans are the religious thought and transforming anything into ideology, which was what led to our civilisation in the first place. YES! believing in bullshit , imaginary friends and made-up concepts is what set the bases of civilisation apparently, according to Harrari's book. maybe we've had TOO MUCH civilisation and evolution.. and now its time to pay the price, why being so chicken shit about it? humans oh so funny

its his own videos , dude I haven't been the best boy around the years, I mean in my manners, but hey this is an ethnobotany forum, and I am still here about this - why you bitching about a youtube link? you seem to me so into these discussions, a stupid song here and there never harmed anyone, and I am letting my opinion on the pro-trump crusade of yours aside. I really dont have an opinion on the matter of climate change.. is there only a black and white position? no article presents both positions naturally? could this possible that such a thing exist? oh yeah, and I need it short, really short.. and yeah why should I care how we change the enviroment, even if its true? earth will heal..if humans dont, all the better for the earth also here's another irrelevant video: it stands against religous thought

as this thread refers to another thread it doesnt link, its really confusing. its not clear what kind of pain and what condition we are talking about.. other than that, Hyoscyamus sp is hyoscyamine rich and I really dont know how safer Wild lettuce is. Tropane alkaloids have a wide range of medical uses and even more uses in traditional medicine, but yeah these plants are dangerous.

This thread is totally ridiculous, but hey, you can go on being stupid and fuck up the quality of this forum all you want. Thunderideal, what do you think about your own contributions to making the quality of this wonderful forum go downfall with your neo-fascist , alt-right , conspiracy bullshit?

fair enough - I havent sown caespitosas ever, but I had/have many and have chopped them up a lot in all kind of sizes. they grow exactly like this when small , especially if they are underground . their branching is very random I have found But you might be right. It would be interesting to see if it pups more.