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I am a bibliophile, a liddle beet of a collector, and so I keep my eyes open for second hand psychedelia. Today I found some goodies (Grof and Hallifax - The Human Encounter with Death, Roseman - LSD The Age of Mind and Wurst - Flesh of the Gods!), but saw some others I already have. For those collectors out there, head to the following to get the following: Bent Books (Boundary Street West End) Eisner - Ecstacy Lee - Acid Dreams Archive Books (behind the counter) Shulgins - Tikhal Lee - Acid Dreams Unfortunately, none of them are cheap, but they are cheaper than new. Tikhal is $65, but new near a hundred! I will post in this pont (ongoing) any books that I find that I already have that others might want in Brisbane, as I go

On the way back from EGA our crew met a few freinds for a drink. They wanted to know about the conference/meeting, and i dutifully described its focus on sacred plants, ethnobotany, spiritual use of plants, and the trance aspect of the meet. I was quite careful in how I framed this discussion. Afterwards, a friend who had come to EGA with me took me aside and said "You shouldent tell people that you are interested in this stuff?". I assmed that he was noting that there are potentially dodgy legal edges to my hobby, and that I should exercise due care- to which i agree of course. But what he was really saying was "If you talk about this stuff, people will think you are crazy". That is, because it is very fringe, because people assume such an interest is self-destructive, is pathological, that people who might be interested in such things are somehow brain affected. This guy was a couple of years older than me and an artist still stuck on the dole, a position that I could just as easily had been if certain circumstances hadnt transpired. As an artist and a thinker and a person, he is a guy who I admire. I was sad that he saw himself so easily sidelined and ruled out. I am aware of the kind of exclussive positions of Huxley, on the one hand, who thought that the use of psychedlics should be for VIP's, and that of Leary, that everyone deserves a go. I am not sure of where i stand on this (if its "secret business" or not), but I do think that there will be no shift in the broader perception of "drugs" unless people who use them or are interested or knowledgeable in them dont speak outside the community. Unless we go "well, hang on a second, there is more to this shit that you might think, for example (x)", we cannot expect attitudes to change. I am reminded of the gay "outing" that went on in Sydney in the 80's and 90's, where prominent gay people were outed by other gay community members, forced to ally themselves to the cause... In the most recent Queensland Civil Liberties Council newsletter, the president noted that there seems to be an increase in "wowser-ism" in the Australian community, and suggests that the drug policy committee needs to be reformed. I agree, and can feel conformity and conservatism growing in relation to drug use, and most importantly, attitudes to it. But i think that we have to start at home, and talk rationally to friends about this stuff, to ensure that they can at least perceive resons why people are interested in drugs, and why they might feel it is their right to be so interested. For me, its about the right to the sanctity of ones body, and the right to not have that sanctity invaded against ones will by others. This includes ones mind. I am somewhat aligned with Leary's International Federation of Internal Freedom here. So what do y'all tell your friends and loved ones? Do you think that there needs to be a public discussion not just about harm minimisation but also about the right to alter consciousness? Does the legal side outweigh your ability to talk broadly about this? Or are all of your mates just into entheogens anyway? Is this public or private business?

A little acid DOES go a long way, its true. I remember a time of my life when there were only 2 types of people, those who HAD and those who HADNT. And you didnt have to worry about the former, and the latter were a write off... You can never UN-TAKE acid - you are a different person after it. I knew a frustrated academic who once yelled at some recalcitrant students "you guys need to take some acid - dont come back and talk to me til you have"... needless to say he ended up at teh headmasters office..

Damn - 16th July - I will be in Melbourne. A pity, fcked up the meet up for the Cactus thing too - doh. Meet you doods all later spose - enjoy it!

ok... fair enough... 1-what is science? A useful way of understanding phenomena that are outisde ourselves, and that can be reliably communicated to others, with roughly consistent results. A moment of fixity in the flux. 2-where does science stand in relation to spirituality and/or religion? Its another type of the above as far as I am concerned. It has real value but can easily become a useless orthadoxy when its attempted to be applied to human mental or cultural affairs. Subjectivity has real value and should be respected as a type of knowledge, even a type of rigour. 3-where does science stand in relation to ethnobotany? Vitally important as a means of developing the field and investigating the raw material - plants. But it has no real use in evaluating the experience or its implications. These are cultural, emotional things, importantly personal things. Subjectivity is the tool for understanding the experience. 4-where does ethnobotany stand in relation to spirituality and personal development? Gardening is a recognised therapeutic persuit and helps connect people (emotionally, subjectively) wit teh enviornment. But the "inside" bits and the "outside" bits are different. THerefore I do not beleive that ethnobotany can nescessarily inform spirituality, though the connection to the plants that it allows will undoubtedly affect our response to the effects of plants themselves. 6-where does science stand in relation to the truth? It depends what kind of truth. Frankly, science isnt the truth - its just a particular version of it. But in terms of understanding phenomena, sure it can be truthful. But in terms of it understanding me - (thankfully) forget it. Its pretty clear that it is a relativistic world these days. Truth is just the level of dogmatism with which one can hold ones view in the face of conflicting evidence. Ok wandjina?

Oh yeah, someone mentioned "3rd dimensional" in Adelaide - I got the opportunity to hang out with the guy from the shop at EGA - he was a dude, really nice guy (Micky? Mikey?) (and a mad pixie during the Dance of 500 Mushrooms!), but I forgot to get his details... anyone know if the shop has a website?

RE the chemical T shirts, I reckon the ones from the Hefter Institute are cool and sufficiently ambiguous.. and the cash goes to a good cause. The address is: http://www.cafepress.com/heffter I am also interested in hoodies (fcking queensland winters...). MAPS has a good one. Any leads appreciated. Just as an aside, its interesting that T-shirts have become meaningless. I remember in the 80's, wearing sufficiently obscure punk band T=shirts was cool, but I stopped wearing them because I got sick of just being someone elses free advertising, and also the idea that I had to use brands (even from bands) to idenitify myself. Now though its interesting because T-shirts have become even more meaningless.. I mean people wear Dickies T-shirts without realising that they were a seminal New York punk band from the seventies (who did great songs like "You drive me ape, you big gorilla!"). Walter Benjamin said it was gonna happen and it did - we are saturated by images, and the more there are, the less they mean. Marshall McLuhan would have been proud (the medium is the message)... That said, hey, I am up for a chemical T shirt that I dont really know what it means (Shulgin's dirty pictures...)

Hi P! Well, since I am (today!) reading about the particular influence of a French landscape architect called Michel Corajoud (who taught LA's in the 1960's in Versailles), this quote is kind of relevant, even though its specific to LA. (Excuse the translation, its a bit clunky..). It relates to teh interconnection between emotion or sense and science: "This exercise accepted only the references of the landscape as a guide, the horizon, the roofs of houses, the outline of certain historical parks from some distant past, the quality of certain leaves, of grasses. The two exclusive systems, that of memory and of the phenomenon, deprive each other of reciprocal connections. From this point, we would like to look at the destabilising role of an attempt at articulation, since these two forms of relation with the world are symptomatic of the compartmentalisation of the process of scientific work, on the one hand, and artistic work on the other. Observing contour lines, exposure to sunlight, the nature of soils, the phytosanitary state of the trees, uses, densities, sounds... gives information about a place which can be measured. Perceiving the colours, the chiaroscuro, the melodies, the different matters, the traditions... gives information about the impressions a milieu can procure. To work from the first category gives a succession of singular, raw states without any ultimate realisation. The second aims towards something arbitrary coming from an individual perception and proceeds by exacerbating the senses. Neither of the two series is able to produce the framework for a landscape project alone. What is more, each of time, even if they could be added up, their ideal sum would always be behind a new state that ceaselessly moves on. " Claramunt, M. and C. Mosbach (1999). "Nature of a Landscape Project." Pages Paysages(7): 54-64. Well.. thats not my opinion but... whats your view, as a kickoff??

And we won! you liddle BEE-auty!

we turned up but no one to be seen.. and no eftpos there.. and we had no cash on us.. so we aborted.. happy to meet up with any peep's interested... it looked good though..

Added a copy of all the back-issues of Entheogen Review (from a DVD i bought in Basel) to the mix. On its way Endrogen, with the blankies...

Hey thanks so much Ronny and the gang. A great time had by all, and well worth the trip from Bris-vegas. Good balance of information, discussion and fun. Very friendly people from diverse backgrounds. And good food too. So congrats and see you next year!

Its a great book. I bought mine in the bookshop in Nimbin - still the best entheogenish bookshop in Oz that I have seen. Not sure if they have a copy still. If you havent seen what Raetsch looks like, have a read of my post from the LSD forum. There are some pictures of him and his partner, and also some from Torsten when he was at SAB. He was a dude. he has another book on witchcraft medicine, prsumably on the the tropanes mostly.. anyone had a read? Stuff to play with in there?

Welcome to Oz, Dango! Numbers of Acacias are reported to contain alkaloids and many people on this forum have undertaken research into this. One of the species that people are most excited about is Acacia obtusifolia. Many of the extractions that people experiment with using Acacia's involve bark from the trunk not the roots, and some use the phyllodes too. There appears to be great variation related to specific populations in specific geographies, and at certain times of the year. In terms of your mention in the post of damaging the plant, then clearly you are. However there are different levels of that damage. The potential to ring bark a tree is real, and there are fears held by members of this forum for some populations of rare, high-yield Acacia's in the wild. The larger question of the spirit of the plant is one that you will also find discussed here. There is a lot about the Acacia's archived on this forum, so, as they often say (somewhat condescendingly) to newbies, "have a go first at searching with the search function", with "Acacia" as your key word and search all forums, so knock yourself out! The host organisation of this Forum, SAB, sells seed for many Acacia's online, though I am not sure what local import/export/quarantine restrictions apply. Australia is very rich in wattles and they are beautiful and very valuable in a whole range of ways. Happy Hunting (for information) Rex

Of course Dr Hoffman did it first... This is an extract fronm Entheogen Review (Vol XIV, No 1, 2005 p.92) of the conference call with the MAPS crew on his 99th birthday, last year, where he discusses the possibilities of very small doses of LSD for non-psychedelic effects: Rick: Albert, I’m wondering if you have any suggestions for us about things that we might want to look into regarding LSD and psilocybin? I remember, a while ago, you said one of the most unexplored areas of research with LSD was low doses? Albert: Yes, that would be interesting. Just as a kind of pleasure drug. Heh heh. Rick: Ah. Albert: Very, very low doses; this could be a worthwhile study. I have used it, sometimes, just very small doses, for walking and thinking. This could be a worthwhile study. Rick: What kind of doses are you talking about, when you would go out walking? Albert: 25 microgram. Twenty-five, instead of 125. Or even lower: ten. Rick: Wow. Can you actually notice when you take ten micrograms? Can you notice that you’ve taken it? Albert: Oh, yes! Yes. An improved response to nature. Improved experience of nature, yes. And of thinking, a big improvement of thinking. But, may I just add to this discussion, quite another thing: the work of Kast, Walter Pahnke, and Grof—that it may be used for dying people. Rick: Yes. Albert: I think that is a so very, very important thing in our time: the people who are suffering terrible pain, which resists other pain medicaments, have been treated very successfully. And I think this should be continued, this study in dying people who suffer terrible pain. We have a big investigations and publications from Kast, Pahnke, and Grof. What do you think? That it be allowed; if the danger of becoming addicted to LSD would not exist, if you use it in this kind of a very, very important use in our time? Ah.. el Papa...

Two speakers from the conference – the head of the Beckley Foundation Fielding, and English psychonaut Sue Hall, discussed the idea of “low dose living” on sub-sub-psychedlic doses (in the .05 to .1 microgram doses. Both openly discussed their use of this as a way of life in the 1960's and 1970's, Lady Nedipath for 3.5 years. Nedipath would use vitamins and suppliments to regulate her blood sugar which would create different types of brain activation, high glucose would lead to sharper thinking, lower to more contemplatative states. Coming from a family of diabetics, thiis horrified me a little, and I am inclined not to try this at home – leave the swientists to work this one out I think, but it was a simultaneous horrifying and fascinating idea. Lady Nedipaths idea about blood sugar levels is part of her “blood flow to the brain” hypothesis concerning psychoactives. In short, she suggests that perhaps there is insufficient blood flow to the brain generally, and that these chemicals increase this flow, and, by implication, blood chemistry, to the brain. Considering the research and conservative recognition (in Britain and Wurope) of Beckley, I was surprised by this hypothesis, since it seemed to fly in the face of the seratonic, synaptic resreach being persued by Vollenveider and Nichols, who lead the brain science aspects of the conference. Both, however, are invloved in the scientific side of the Beckley Foundation, though I am not sure if specific research has been conducted yet into Lady Nedipath's hypothesis concerning blood flow to the brain. Considering the philanthropic aspects of Lady Nedipath, I am sure that she will fund research in this area from these scientists. Sue Hall, who listed herself in the program as 60's and 90's trance-dancer and Buddhist psychonaut, also discussed this low dose idea, using 15-20 microgram doses 2-3 times per week for “lethargic depression”. (I must also put in an aside and describe Lady Nedipath, since she was another rare individual. You may have read about her in “Breaking Open the Head”, and heard of her Beckley Foundation, an advocacy and research charity. She is a member of the aristocracy and is clearly so (her accent, dress, etc), and has, presumably decided to dedicate much of her estate into changing drug policy and undertaking consciousness research. As interesting as her ideas about consciousness is the fact that she is also an advocate of “Trapang”: that is, cutting a hole in ones skull to releive pressure within the cranium. She has two. The first of these, we discovered, on questioning her, she had done herself with an electric hand-drill herself (no, she did not do it while she was on LSD (I asked)), the second by a Chinese doctor. Apparently a range of cultures from India to Latin America do this, and it fits into her blood flow in the brain hypothesis). Considering that Dr Andrew Sewell, at Harvard Medical School is conducting reseach into the efficacy of LSD as a treatment for cluster headaches, it is clear there is some action in these doses. Users of LSD will also be aware of the subtle buzz that one gets as one is coming up, though I am not sure if LSD's activity as it builds corresponds to a journey through dosage levels. Other users of LSD get regular headaches coming down from LSD, so it may be a case by case issue. Significantly, this type of persuit of LSD as a regular medicine is a different approach to the dominant one in psychology where it is an adjunct, tool or accelerator of psychotherapy. If a real action of LSD were to be found repeatedly in a clearly medical situation, products would develop that could begin the process of de-demonising LSD. Indeed, this could be the quickest path, which is why MAP's and Erowid have been working with CLUSTERBUSTERS, a migraine action group, extensively. Practically speaking, according to the literature I have read, tolerance build up quickly with LSD, so its effectiveness is greatly reduced, however it could be that this methodology works because LSD is used for qualities other than the psychedelic. This general idea of psychedelics as medicine was also discussed informally by others, in terms of 5-MEO-DMT for colds, and ayahuasca as an antibiotic. While I may find the idea of living on a constant acid trip a bit unpalatable, having a regular reality that is altered almost constantly by psychoactive chemicals in low doses is entirely normal and culturally accepted, notably in the form of caffeine, but also in nicotine, and also through sugar in terms of blood sugar levels. Also, the regular use of meditation, yoga, exercise, etc, all have non-pharmacological but clearly brain chemistry and neuronal action. If there is no harmful effects medically to the use of psychoactives as medicines then it would only come down to an issue of cultural bias or personal choice about whether one took a physiological or pharmacological path. If one believes in a mystical or hyperdimensional hypothesis in psychadelics (and further, if LSD is in fact attuned to them directly, as a chemical rather than biological agent (to be discussed further), then such regular use may be regarded as a type of consistent connection.

Hi Torsten In terms of this discussion, how would you rate the current SAB Myrsticin Oil? Have a bottle and want to play but not sure where to start.. Cheers Rex

Dont know whether its a muscle vibration, but tinitus can give similar sensations. My parents both have (had) it, and I just thought it was some oldies thing. But with suitable paranoia, I suspect I have it myself. Its like a distortion (they call it ringing, but thats a bit general) of whatever sound you are hearing, and its not all the time. SOmetimes a really quitet voice will give it to me, at others not even a really loud gig will trigger it. Its eccentric.. I suspect the cause is too much loud music in headphones and live punk at an early age.. but I dont know what gave it to my parents... Does anyone remember that episode of Ripping Yarns where Michael Pallin is this old hunter collecting diseases? Sometimes one can have a slightly sick fascination with what is happening, largely out of our control, with our bodies... or maybe I really AM getting old... So thought about Tinitus, torsten?

Could be a good meetup after EGA weekend before. Comin' with ma' lady to diversify the collection and meet the peeps! C U there!

I dunno, it looks to me like you're not getting laid and are spending an inordinate amount of effort justifying making it look like someone else's fault Spot on Darklight! And why are we having this conversation again??? If you are a man, women are the other (or at least AN other), and if you are woman, then men are the other. But whats interesting about that? Its inevitable. But its not specific. There are more of these OTHERS out there than you can count. And despite this big, gross difference (man/woman), there is infinite differentiation between individuals. So its more useful to say I like/dislike this particular person (or I have had a specific experience with a specific individual) and why, than it is to make these generalisations. I used to ask my dad (who was a sailor) "Dad, whats such-and-such a place like?", and he would always say "It depends who you meet there, son". He would never either make generalisations about places or people, or allow me to make them (did'nt stop him being a mysoginist though..). I think its fine to make judgements but make them specifically, its simply bad science to make such big generalisations from such a huge study group. Women get burnt by men and men by women and it hurts whichever way it comes. If not, why are there so many fucking love songs? I am with Puffingfish and Wandjina here - I would have thought that the people participating in this forum were beyond this type of discussion. I mean the entheo thing is pretty fringe, so we are all outsiders... why make more outsiders of the outsiders?

We tried some in Amsterdam where they were sold dried and did a boil up thing, and while they didnt taste too bad, they also did'nt have any activity at that dose (which was 20grams of dried material between two people). I mean, we were in Amsterdam, so we had been smoking and had taken some Ecuadorean mushies the day before, but nothing happened. I had expected something oblique, as described in Breaking Open the Head, but didnt get any sensation really at all. Obviously the dosage was too low, but the guy at the smart shop we bought them from had said to be careful, because there could be physical reactions too. At the same time, while they were selling the products legally, and they were apparently safe, no one knew much about Amanita, certainly none had direct experiences to describe. Folk-lorically they were dangerous - and they look it. But McKenna reckoned that the sheer consumption of a dangerous amount (or even active amount) itself was difficult. In oter words it was dangerous if you had a lot of it, but it was difficult to have a lot of it. But this might not be true with dried. Has anyone else had experiences in Amsterdam or their gnomes had experiences here that can clarify dosage and experiences?

2012 is a phenomena of faith rather than rationality, I think, but that doesnt make it either bad or impossible. The question of whether the date is arbitrary of precise really depends what you are going to do with the date. How serious its is depends on its utility. There is nothing new about millenarianism (anticipation of significance approaching a date - the millenium), but its worth remembering we just saw one - 6 years ago - and I dont know about you, but it certainly wasnt the best new years eve I ever had - it was like most others - less interesting than the anticipation leading up to it. For me, I found McKenna's ideas crazy but compelling. After some entheo-experiences in Amsterdam, particularly with high dose mushies, I saw some things that looked like McKenna said: mayan imagery; time machines inviting me in; synesthesic language that I could suddenly speak; that crazy sound. Other experiences with wattle stuff have also presented another dimension to me so strongly, so utterly convincingly, and very importantly, kinda un-romantically, that even as the experience is long passed, I have lost a lot of anxiety about "the end". I mean, what is the end?? This is where the utility bit comes in.. What do you want to do with that date? AFter reading breaking open the head, a while after McKenna, I decided that it was just crazy enough, just interesting enough to stake a bit of a claim on it. So I decided that I am going to do all the things NOW, that I was otherwise going to put off to LATER. This has had serious impacts on things like buying property, etc. For me it doesnt matter what happens, or when it happens, but that I have a dumb date by which I must have certain things done, things that I want to do. Every day is precious, blah blah blah. But whether it is a star trek singularity, or me being diagnosed with lung cancer, may as well use something, anything, that can help provide impetus to be productive, to be participatory, to have experience. And you can do a lot in 6 years! ps If we ARE going to talk about what is going to happen in 2012, I am with the pessimists on that: 2012 is when Kyoto will be ratified, and that will also be when the failure of the non-kyoto countries will have been clearest - we will discover that nothing has changed, rather it has accelerated. Perhaps some new science will reveal a more immediate step in the catastrophic process. But I am not sure enlightenment will result, just a more accelerated decline. All the other research is esoterica I reckon, which again doesnt mean its not interesting. pps. The most convincing theory for me of McKenna's is that the tryptamines are communication mechanisms, that SETI has been looking in the wrong places with the wrong discipline: physics rather than chemsitry. I have got a strong feeling of this myself. But if it is, then what is it communicating with? God? Gaia? or some egotistical psychopaths with no ethics? For me, it it that wattle-land is NOT spiritual (even if that dissapointed Strassman), but that it is IMMENSE that is important. It is big enough to hold a billion intellegences. But maybe only a couple are able to communicate with OUR dimension. the question then is "does the ability to comminicate make one an omnipotent, all knowing, all caring being? ANd we have teh answer to that right here, in this dimension.. did it make Murdoch, or Packer great beings? Effectively yes, but ethically no. so 2012 may just be something that one of these intellegenaces planted here, one who may not be the greatest, but just the nerdiest; the one who could make their own wireless kit.

Was interesting to read the comments arising from the SA politician who spoke on Ecstacy. Like some others i wrote her a letter of support. While in Basel at the Hoffman thing, a number of Aussies discussed what could be done to advocate and change attitudes and policy in Australia. I dont get a strong sense of any of the organisations that do this stuff here. It would be great at the conference to have a chat with interested people about what we could do and be involved with as a community to work on changing attitudes and policy in Australia. I for one dont know the organisations that work in Oz, and how effective they are. Others more experienced than I must. As a greenie I support conservation organisations such as the Wilderness Society, the NPA, ACF, etc, and do so in the same way I do raffle tickets. To support good charities, etc. There is no reason why drug based issues could not have the same type of status. Maps (and the Berkley, which has been involved in changing grass from schedule one to schedule 2) is great but doesnt do anything in Oz. Is there such an opportunity at the conference? I know that your program Ronny is chock full of rounce, bounce and trounce, but is there space, or could it form part of an existing paper?

Hey Ronny Well, bought our tickets - its on. Can commit four of us from Queensland (well, one from the Blue Mountains too, actually). Just a couple of questions.. We are planning to drive down late from Tullamarine on the Thursday - will it be a problem for us to scramble camp late at night? We are assuming that it will be finished up Monday arvo to get back to Melb - is that the plan? Its all very exciting - at the very least it will be anthropology! Cheers Rex

Hi doods Have recently had the good fortune to go to Barcelona for work, and while I was there I visited some recent architecture, one project of which I thought I would mention, because it seemed "psychedelic" to me.. Herzog and de Meuron are a Swiss firm of architects who are now pretty big internationally. Barcelona collects world class architecture, and a new part of the city, the Forum, contains a range of interesting projects (even though they are packed in together too tightly) by name architects (including FOA and Abelos and Harera). The building itself is located on the triangular intersection of three major roads, including the Ronda Littoral and the termination of the Diagonal. THe buildings triangular form results from this. The building is level on the top and then meets a sloping podium, with a space between the podium and the base of the building that you can walk under. The surface of the building is a spray-crete with a blue oxide added, that has the vibrancy of Yves Klein blue. The windows are jagged slots cutting vertically through this surface. This type of geometry (jagged) will be familiar now through the work of Daniel Liebeskind and his progeny, LAB architects who did Federation Square in Melbourne. Hz & dM are well known for their interest and handling of materials. I did nit get into this building, but walked under and all around it. The undercroft (or the underside of the building) is clad with a reflective (aluminium?) metallic material that is embossed with a drop like pattern. THe doors are covered in a gold material of a similar pattern. There are penetrations through the building where light can come though. I have been thinking a lot about psychedelic art since the Hoffman thing in Basel, and the lecture by Christian Raetsch' partner (whose name escapes me right now). It seems to me that the term "psychedelic" is about the experience of the mind. In contrast, much psychedelic art attempts a kind of realism, or the use of particular signature techniques or patterns. They are trying to demonstrate a graphic of being on psychedelics. Yet we all know that in this stuff, you had to be there.. You can never come back from having been tripping. It is the quintessence of what an experience is. To freeze it, or represent it realistically is, for me, to waste time either preaching to the converted or preaching to those who will never be converted. This is a waste of energy for the psychedelic community, it wasted a lot of time for Leary, et al, and its why McKenna is so attractive - he talks from the logic and experience of the inside, to other insiders. So what is psychedelic about this building. Primarily it is that it offers in the physical realm an experience with many characteristics similar to the psychedlic. It is not that it LOOKS psychedlic (though it does a bit to me too). Its experience is at once completely unique at any point under or around it, and it does not clearly define itself as architecture in terms of a function. It is completely ambiguous. It also has aspects of visual richness and saturation that are psychedlic. Finally, I suppose it is both fundamentally confusing and then, at another moment, beautifully clear. I love it. Its a f'cken ripper. Below are some pictures, as well as a PDF of a whole lot. Check out the pics and see if you could be bothered downloading the PDF. All is copyright me, by the way. HzDm_Barcelona_Forum_JR_lr.pdf ps. I should also note that in Barcelona, all the ferals hang out in Placa George Orwell, which the locals refer to as "Placa Trippy"!