botanika
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Post up the overwhelming evidence - I'm keen to have a look.
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Yeah man it's worth a read. I learnt a lot and most of it is passionate and leveled headed, plus it lacks corperupt sponsorship. Given the nature of the subject, there is speculation but that is adequately stated. It was written 2008 - it could be updated in light of Neanderthal genome and denisovan theories.
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It doesnt bode well when a study gets the nomenclature incorrect
The article states they were classified until the 60's as 'homo neanderthalensis' and are now currently classified 'Homo sapiens neanderthalensis'. Accordinging to Wikipedia: 'Neanderthals are classified either as a subspecies (or race) of modern humans (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) or as a separate human species (Homo neanderthalensis).[1]' How is the author getting the nomenclature incorrect, when taxonomy is ambigous (as Tripsis kind of pointed out), either/or (as Wiki states) and inconsistent (as the author points out himself)? Where does taxonomy draw the line between what is a species and what is not? There are recognised separate species or sub-species of Gorilla, Chimpanzee and Orangutan yet humans often with greater genetic distances between races are labelled 'all one race'. If floreseinsis was found to still be alive today would it be a separate species or would it be classed as part of the PC modern human race that is 'all equal except for trivial physical characteristics'? Likewise if sub Saharan Africans died out 40,000 years ago would archaeologists recognize them as a separate species or include them as the PC modern human race - homo sapien sapien? Hypothetical questions - not directed at anyone.
The chinese often claim that the Han people descended directly from Homo erectus in asia separately from the rest of Homo sapiens sapiens. This ofcourse is bullshit.
But they likely did have gene flow from archaic humans already present in east asia which may have included erectus as well as asiatic Neanderthal types. All it takes are a couple of successful alleles to spread through a group. There are similarities between archaic east asian remains and modern east asians that are not found in Africans. The OOA theory often uses examples of people in Africa (almost ALWAYS in north east Africa) that have caucasian or mongoloid features as 'proof' every 'modern human' evolved out of Africa, when it can be argued the other way: that 'modern humans' arose out of eurasia, ultimately from earlier Heidlebergensis types and moved south into Africa at various stages leaving their alleles in the populations present there. The mongoloid features are cold climate adaptations, not north african hot climate adaptions. Obviously we are all out of Africa from the chimpanzee's, but where did 'modern humans' truly arise and what classifies a 'modern human'.
There are a lot of holes in the OOA and multi-regional theories which is why the 'out of eurasia' theory is worth considering because it ties in a bit of both.
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http://erectuswalksamongst.us/
'… there is less mtDNA difference between dogs, wolves, and coyotes than there is between the various ethnic groups of human beings..." (Coppinger, 1995). It seems that taxonomists have been bending their objectivity a bit.
Now let’s see how taxonomists have classified Neanderthals. Until the 1960s, Neanderthals were classified as Homo neanderthalensis, a different species from us, Homo sapiens. But the genetic distance between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis (<0.08%) 20 is less than the genetic distance between the two chimpanzee species (0.103). 21 Today, Neanderthals are classified as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, 22 a sub-species of our species, while we are another sub-species, Homo sapiens sapiens. The genetic distance between (sub-Saharan) Africans and Eurasians (0.2%) is more than twice the genetic distance between living humans and Neanderthals (0.08%) 23 so, at the very least, Africans should be classified as a sub-species, Homo sapiens africanus and Eurasians as another sub-species, Homo sapiens eurasianensis.
...the genetic distance between Homo sapiens and Homo erectus is estimated as 0.170 24 (mean given as 0.19), 25 about the same as the genetic distance between the Bantu Africans and the Eskimos, but the genetic distance between living Africans and Eurasians is 0.23 (Table 7-1, p. 45). Thus, Homo sapiens is more closely related to Homo erectus than Eurasians are to sub-Saharan Africans. Either erectus should be reclassified as Homo sapiens erectus or sub-Saharan Africans should be reclassified as Homo africanus. 26'
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'As the United Kingdom continues to riot many have wondered how the United States would respond to a similar outbreak of riots whether caused by an economic collapse, widespread terror attacks, or some other catalyzing event.
CONPLAN 3501 and 3502, or Operation Garden Plot, is a long ago declassified plan that calls for the use of the military, in violation of Posse Comitatus, against the American people.
Garden Plot is a sub program of the infamous Rex84 which openly set up an unnamed number of detention camps in America.'
'Unfortunately, the indicators of potential violence outlined by the military that would cause this unconstitutional plan to be acted upon are happening as we speak.'
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The whole of east asia lives in high density high rise and they dont riot like this. The media keeps steering away from the real issue of what can happen when you allow lots of people from the 3rd world into the 1st. One of the rioters had allegedly only been in the UK 3 months from Cameroon. Really, he's that upset with britains urban planning already? Let's see Cameroon try host an olympics. Just remember which group said they will take 'a leading role in immigration in europe'. Immigration is not a bad thing until you get inbalance. Just like economies. What is happening to western civilization today is what happened to Rome and ancient Egypt.
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I don't think it's as simple as that either. Look at all the footage and who the main body of culprits are is pretty clear. The media as much as it tries can't ignore that but people will see what they want to see.
“There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that they have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they dont have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it'
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
Where is Chuck Norris?
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they could of rolled out the army and it would have been over no time. A band of yobbos is no match for armed trained soldiers.
...but the army is overseas fighting wars ;)
London before and after:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2011/aug/09/london-riots-before-after-photographs
Statistics reveal reality of inner city crime:
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The joy of every Multiculturalist society.
Waterstones staff member: 'We'll probably stay open. If they steal some books, they might actually learn something.'
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If they want to be a lion they have to bite the neck, not the face.
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Neanderthals are much more intelligent than once thought. Evidence of this is now coming out on a regular basis
Ice age glaciation/cold climates supposedly increase rates of genetic mutation too however natural selection changes genes slowly. Interbreeding is a much quicker process and I'm pretty sure my hairy chest is Neanderthal contribution! Look at the Taliban or Ashkenazi. Beware of that '1-4%' figure the media throws around.
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No but Europe and particularly the Caucasus mtn area is where Neanderthal gene % may be higher. Similarly Homo denisovan ranged through Asia possibly explaining differences and gene flow there.
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I find this comment rather disturbing. This seems like people are doing just what they were expected to do. There are greater things happening behind the scenes.
Michael Bradley's controversial explanation: 'The Neanderthal genetic legacy in Caucasians is the anthropological explanation for the Western world’s tendencies toward racism, sexism and aggression against all other people and also toward the whole environment – from pure slavery and genocide through colonialism and on to today’s economic globalization.'
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not you synchro - but still, i jumped the gun ! thought qualia was saying my post was fukn hilarious and the following obi one post was making fun of the links i put up.
your right though, i hadn't read all of the thread and reckon i have misconstrued things ! after reading through it properly, i can see i took em the wrong way :/
sorry - little over-sensitive tonight i reckon !
Just used to the majority in the real world taking the piss
on my insight into the current goings on ! my bad
Star Wars was just a clever analogy - nothing against anyone. I enjoyed reading your links and the accusations in them are very serious if true. George Lucas is not as stupid as people think and there is a message in his films worth honoring, irrelevent of the acting and sesame street puppet/CGI scenes! There's a reason he 'dropped' out of Hollywood. We can actually learn a lot from George Lucas' own departure from Hollywood and what his films discuss on a deeper level.
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'why won't Vader show us HIS birth certificate?' LOL
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'Obi-Wan Kenobi is dead' - Vader says
http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
'A representative of the Imperial Starfleet said that military and intelligence officials first learned last summer that a “high-value target” was hiding somewhere on the desert world and began working on a plan for going in to get him. Beginning in March, Lord Vader worked closely with a series of several different Admirals serving onboard the Death Star to go over plans for the operation, and on Friday morning gave the final order for members of the 501st Legion (known commonly as "Vader's Fist") to strike.'
'Lord Vader has denied requests to present photographs of the body, describing them as "too gruesome" for the general public.'
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It's not necessarily global fascism. Research where and when the word 'fascism' truly came into 'popular' existence and why. The great superpowers of modern wars were invaded from WITHIN. Orwell's against the path 1984 mostly described post war Britain.
+ check out current video games.
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Personally i think it's vastly deeper and more primal that an economic and class war. It's primarily got to do with the middle east, its people and it's history. Tolkien had it right in lord of the rings.
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^^^ Why not just make the reply public?
Mainly its long winded but Im trying to collate some better external well supported arguments and links.
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I wrote another reply to this thread. Pm if interested.
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Only 2 groups could have genuinely pulled off 911 and both have equally strong motives: the Arabs and pro Israeli crooks. Only one of those groups truly benefitted.
Building 7, building 7, building 7.
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Almost everything we take for granted in computing today was invented or fostered by Xerox. I remember drooling at a Microbee my dad bought home in the 80's that could make a christmas tree out of symbols from basic commands...now Ive got computer chipped appliances and gadgets all over the house. Almost all computers nowdays use Intel chips. In the late 70's/early 80's the microprocessor, if there even was one, were supplied by Intel, MOS, Zilog, RCA, or any number of other companies. Memory was static, dynamic, and shift-register. And without the Internet, programs were loaded from paper tape, punched cards, cassette tape, floppy disks, cartridge, or even manually switched in by hand.
Back in the 1980s, you wouldn't recognize the internet. There was no Microsoft Windows that was internet ready. What you had was unix login, with Archie and Gopher resources from many wide open university databases, research institutions, and access to the JPL Cray network with a shell account. Most universities and a little known company, Xerox, started it with the help of the US government. Arpnet became a UNIX based text system. Archie was used as a web crawler to find interconnected resources and directories, and Gopher, to go fetch the files. Gopher was similar to HTML, and Archie was more the search engine.
As early as 1978 Xerox pulled together 100 of the nations top computer scientists into a think tank and posed the question "What is the future of computing?" to PARC (Palo Alto Research Center). And PARC answered with the the Xerox Model 100. A 2 1/2 foot tall brown droid looking box complete with ethernet card, floppy contoller card, and ram card - each about as big as a full size ATX motherboard today. A LASER mouse, YES!, and a 20" high resolution, high contrast black and white monitor. On boot, you had a desktop with a trashcan. When you mounted an application disk, the old 8" floppy drive, the application icons would present themself on the desktop. Documents could be stored to a network drive, or floppy, and it looked kinda like a MAC.
http://www.pbs.org/nerds/part3.html
‘It all began in 1971 in Palo Alto, just south of San Francisco, when Xerox, the copier company, set up the Palo Alto Research Center, or PARC. The Xerox management had a sinking feeling that if people started reading computer screens instead of paper, Xerox was in trouble. Unless...they could dominate the paperless office of the future.’
Those early PARC researchers were truly inventing the future.
Bob Metcalfe
‘We're going to build these personal computers - we're going to put one on every desk. Now in 1996 one on every desk doesn't sound that amazing does it...but in 1971/2 you were lucky to have a computer in your city let alone your building and if it was in your building there'd be one and we were talking about putting them on every desk and this required a new kind of network.’
Larry Tesler
‘Everybody wanted to make a real difference, we really thought that we were changing the world and that at the end of this project or this set of projects personal computing would burst on the scene exactly the way we had envisioned it and take everybody by total surprise.
But the brilliant researchers at PARC could never persuade the Xerox management that their vision was accurate. Head Office in New York ignored the revolutionary technologies they owned three thousand miles away. They just didn't get it.’
Steve Jobs had co-founded Apple Computer in 1976. The first popular personal computer, the Apple 2, was a hit - and made Steve Jobs one of the biggest names of a brand-new industry. At the height of Apple's early success in December 1979, Jobs, then all of 24, had a privileged invitation to visit Xerox Parc.
Steve Jobs
‘And they showed me really three things. But I was so blinded by the first one I didn't even really see the other two. One of the things they showed me was object orienting programming they showed me that but I didn't even see that. The other one they showed me was a networked computer system...they had over a hundred Alto computers all networked using email etc., etc., I didn't even see that. I was so blinded by the first thing they showed me which was the graphical user interface. I thought it was the best thing I'd ever seen in my life. Now remember it was very flawed, what we saw was incomplete, they'd done a bunch of things wrong. But we didn't know that at the time but still though they had the germ of the idea was there and they'd done it very well and within you know ten minutes it was obvious to me that all computers would work like this some day.
Bill Gates
'Even before we finished our work on the IBM PC, Steve Jobs came and talked about what he wanted to do what he thought he could do sort of a LISA but cheaper. We said boy we'd love to help out. The LISA had all its own applications but of course they required a lot of memory ah and we thought we could do better and so Steve signed a deal with us to actually provide bundled applications for the first Mac and so we were big believers in the Mac and what Steve was doing there.'
It was a turning-point. Jobs decided that this was the way forward for Apple.’
Steve Jobs
‘Basically they were copier heads that just had no clue about a computer or what it could do. And so they just grabbed defeat from the greatest victory in the computer industry. Xerox could have owned the entire computer industry today. Could have been you know a company ten times its size. Could have been the IBM of the nineties… could have been the Microsoft of the nineties.’
Windows, the Mac OS, all were inspired by Xerox' office of the future. They had a networked system of work stations with a mouse and graphic user interface way back around 1980! This was when DOS was pretty much a dream and people still talked of FORTRAN and cryptic stuff like that.
It is funny and sad that Xerox completely dropped the ball with both the GUI and desktop computer and with the laser printer. It was 100% poor marketing thanks to their management and marketing group. Both embraced the 'centralized' copying (big 9000 series copiers in one location for all copying - major inconvenience for the working folk) and the mega buck terminal / main frame computing setup which was too much per copy for most businesses. The advent of the PC by IBM spelled the death of the Xerox mega-buck system, even though it (the Xerox system) was far superior. Big networks of computers being used as little more then terminals with a main file server are now the norm. Xerox had it back around 1980. Xerox would probably be as big as Apple today if it was not for confused management
'Although the work at Xerox PARC was crucial, it was not the spark that took PCs out of the hands of experts and into the popular imagination. That happened inauspiciously in January 1975, when the magazine Popular Electronics put a new kit for hobbyists, called the Altair, on its cover, for the first time, anybody with $400 and a soldering iron could buy and assemble his own computer. The Altair inspired Steve Wosniak and Steve Jobs to build the first Apple computer, and a young college dropout named Bill Gates to write software for it. Meanwhile, the person who deserves the credit for inventing the Altair, an engineer named Ed Roberts, left the industry he had spawned to go to medical school. Now he is a doctor in small town in central Georgia.'
"The kind of computing that people are trying to do today is just what we made at PARC in the early 1970s," says Alan Kay, a former Xerox researcher who jumped to Apple in the early 1980s.
Xerox eventually tried to capitalize on the technologies with the Xerox Star, released commercially in 1981, but the system was expensive and sold poorly.
An age before the World of Warcraft:
http://wheels.org/spacewar/stone/rolling_stone.html
Most important PC’s in history:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/25_most_important_pcs_history
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Yes resources too - well ultimately the whole world should be managed on a resource base strategy rather than monetary - but there needs to be a focus on the relationship between labour output, unemployment and inflation. In the US they outsourced their manufacturing (labour) to Asia. Quality made in the USA products are becoming rarer, unemployment is high, their dollar has gone down the drain and the whole nation is in debt.
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If you ask me, this sounds very much like anarchy...
The banks should be controlled by the state but the value of currency should be related to the strength of employees output.
Why is there only one human species?
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How come aliens are always at the end of everything! They didn't leave us very advanced genes if true ;)
I understand 'eve' and the OOA DNA tests but does it prove 'eve's' ancestors were all African or could she have previously moved south from eurasia? In a way north Africa IS part of Eurasia - especially when ice pushed down from the north during ancient ice ages forcing northern hemisphere 'people' south - old remains have been found recently in the Arab peninsula dating 400,000 years and much of the fossils and tools of the northern hemisphere have been ground up by ice aged. There is evidence too suggesting early humans came from the
southern tip of Africa - this also supports colder climates and distance from the equator being contributors to human 'development'. Eve is a line drawn in the sand by scientists supporting their theory but the evidence doesn't yet qualify wholisticly what dynamic the inherited alleles from archaic prototypes would have on us, nor does it usually discuss the older ice ages in relation to movements of early 'humans'. There are a lot of pieces still missing and perhaps other pieces right in front of our nose.