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  3. Posted

    Seeds get through easier but if they get picked up by customs & are on a CITES list (which a lot are) they will be past on to the right authorities to be destroyed, you will receive a letter & your details will be put on a "look closer at his/her packages from now on". This has happened to me before & it took many months to get my seeds & this only happened after I provided them with paper work proving that they had been purchased from a CITES approved nursery.

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    Jox

    Gotta love that reasoning... To protect sensitive/endangered species (from being wild harvested and thus eventually driven to extinction in the wild) we will create an international list/agreement regarding species whose trade is to be regulated. If you jump through the hoops and prove a specimen or seeds were produced in accordance with the law (ie not directly from a wild population/from an approved nursery) you are good to go. However if you can not prove your seeds came from a non-wild source, they will be destroyed. We must destroy them to protect them!

    Not meant to knock the intent of the law, which appears to function relatively well. Just pointing out a frustrating instance of bureaucracy trumping logic. I'll admit I don't have a better solution for what to do with said "contraband," I just fail to see how destroying seed from a threatened species protects that species. :BANGHEAD2:

    Anyway, sorry for the rant, I'll step down now

  4. Posted · Edited by Kykeion

    Slice, I would say the odds are relatively in your favor, at least from my own experience. I have received live cacti from both Germany and the UK no problem, and if I recall there was even visible soil on the tape of one on the packages. I have also received plants form Thailand no problem. On the other hand I have had seeds from Aus nabbed by customs so it really is a crap shoot. I suspect it has to do with which customs office the package passes through here.

    ...What zelly said too, though the basis on which countries are inspected and those that are not escapes me.

  6. Posted · Edited by Kykeion

    but if someone was to say pollinate a clone A with another clone A

    and then that seed had produced a crest or crests

    wouldn't it still technically be a clone A

    No, the offspring would not still be a clone A. While both "parents" would have all of the same genes to pass on to offspring, each seed/potential plant would have a different mixture of these genes. No doubt there would be a high number of monstrose offspring resembling the parent plants, but their genetic makeup would not be identical, meaning they are not technically clones. Additionally there would likely be some non-monstrose "standard" appearance offspring as well.

    well lets just say this i think the word "clone" is wats making this confusing for people

    think of it like this if you were to plant out some normal bridge seeds and you got a monstrose plant

    that grew large and grew into what looked exactly like a "clone A" or even a "clone B"

    would you just call it what it resembles or would you decide your going to call it a "clone C"

    i planted out a litteral forest of bridge seedlings i have 2 of these seedlings that could possibly be TBM's they have both put out pups they are still way to small to know whats going on with them exactly

    but like i say if they grow to resemble say the clumping version "clone B" i think thats exactly what i would call it

    i wouldnt be jumping up saying its a completely different plant and give it a new name if it showed the exact same traits

    and like i said earlier i think its pretty safe to say that not every TBM in the world has come from just 2 plants (clone A & clone B )

    im sure many people have had thier own grow from seed and done exactly as i said just called it what it resembles

    You are exactly right. It is the word clone that is making this confusing for people.

    From http://www.merriam-webster.com:

    1clone noun \ˈklōn\

    biology : a plant or animal that is grown from one cell of its parent and that has exactly the same genes as its parent

    : a product (such as a computer) that is a copy of another product produced by a well-known company

    : a person or thing that appears to be an exact copy of another person or thing

    Full Definition of CLONE

    1 a : the aggregate of genetically identical cells or organisms asexually produced by a single progenitor cell or organism

    b : an individual grown from a single somatic cell or cell nucleus and genetically identical to it

    c : a group of replicas of all or part of a macromolecule and especially DNA <clones of identical recombinant DNA sequences>
    2 : one that appears to be a copy of an original form : duplicate <a clone of a personal computer>
    The confusion arises from the fact that some folks are using the biological definition of clone, ie two or more plants with identical genetic coding. And some folks are using the second definition above, ie that two or more plants that look the same are the same clone.
    While the second definition approach works ok with TBMs, for example, it does not work when discussing other named clones, ie Eileen, Psych00, etc. Ideally we all need to be using the biological definition otherwise there is no point at all in referring to anything by clone name as I could call any bridgesii that resembles Eileen, Eileen, thereby defeating the whole purpose of assigning clone designations.
    In your example above myco, you would have a completely different plant, and if you propagated it by cutting the appropriate thing to do would be to call it clone c, and then describe it as resembling clone a or b. I suspect that bridgesiis produce monstrose seed fairly commonly (relative to other species) and that there is a range of forms (from long to short) that these new monstrose specimen are likely to take. I think that you are probably right about folks growing a TBM from seed, then applying the clone letter that most closely resembles what they have grown.

    Eatfoo - I totally agree, I got your point.

    So let's just call them TBM "type A" for the long one and TBM "type B" for the short segmented on, as M S Smith proposed in another discussion concerning this very topic

    I agree with M S Smith and Philocacti on this point. As myco pointed out above, I think it is unlikely that every TBM plant in existence derive from just two original mutations. I have heard a number anecdotal accounts of people getting monstrose T. bridgesii seedlings when growing from seed, and I myself have TBMs in my collection with enough variation between them to suggest different genetic lines. I personally have stopped referring to TBMs by clone letter, and have given up on designating between "a" and "b" because of the SS/Cactus-Art confusion. At this point I simply refer to them as long form/type and short form/type.

    Given all of the above, referring to the various TBMs as being a certain type or form rather than clone seems to be the best option. At least until someone does some genetic analysis to clear this all up. And even then if there are in fact more than just two clone lines out there then referring to specific clone lines may not be realistic.

    Sorry to have hijacked this thread, this issue just seems to have pushed my buttons today I guess. None of this is intended to be an attack on any of the parties involved, sorry if any tone implies such.

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    Kykeion thats an epic little greenhouse, I'd love something like that, especially with a view!

    Thanks lhb2444! It has been a dream long in the making. I jumped the gun a bit on moving plants in though. The BF had to move them all back out yesterday so he could get the benches stained. No big deal, but it just ain't the same without all those plants in there! He is doing electrical wiring today so hopefully they will be back in there by tonight or tomorrow.

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    Finally got the greenhouse built and enough finishing modifications done to move some plants in. I still need to stain the benches, add a gravel floor and ventilation system and get electricity run out to it, but it was beginning to feel like I would never even get this far.

    I have moved most of my Trich collection and a few others in temporarily since their previous temporary housing wasn't going to continue to protect them from the increasingly cold weather. It is challenging not to move in more before I get the rest of the finishing touches done.

    Pretty stoked to be able to provide more consistent and optimal growing conditions for these guys and avoid some of the past issues which resulted in some of the scaring they show.

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    So slice, I take that last post to mean you have made it home. Did all of your botanical samples arrive safely? And how may different locals did you manage to collect from? Reading back through the thread I count 3, Cajabamba, Chavin, and Huaraz.

    Sounds like you had an amazing trip and were able to collect some really cool souvenirs, definitely a bit jealous.

    I also think it is really neat that you located, photographed and collected from a specific specimen that has been previously documented in a number of ways and is sort of "famous."

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    bogfrogs post reminded me of this post I came across in another forum here (I don't think registration is necessary to view thread, but I may be set to auto login there so...?). It sounds like he has had some success with it. I suppose you could also attempt the graft the "left overs" there by putting tricho scions on slower stock IDK what the success rate would be, but it is all just waste at that point anyway.

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    Justler, this is probably only nominally helpful, but I'll do what I can. Here is a link to the site where I got my purple maize from. I realize it is not a helpful source for you to acquire some, but it does have some interesting info.

    With regard to the maize you found being the same as the one you are looking for, there are hundreds if not thousands of varieties of maize out there. I have two different blue varieties, a "red" variety which is actually maroon/purple, a pink, and several multicolor varieties in addition to the purple variety, so yes there is potential that you have a different variety given some of the morphological differences you mentioned.

    If I remember I'll try and take some pics tonight as examples.

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    I had an other wise normal semi-monstrose pach do something funny.

    Semi-monstrose pachanoi?

    I first thought it was gonna go crested, but now I think it may just be throwing pups/branching without terminating.

    Picked up a new crested TBM. The guy I bought it from said is it originally from Kada's Garden.

    New TBM Crest

    It's a shitty cell phone pic unfortunately.

    I also acquired this giant TBM.

    New TBM

    Once again a shitty cell pic :wacko:
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