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I thought it was the same weekend as EGA Druglawed screening and the plant meet in Melb.

will sell millions on ebay.

"Grumpy cunt blues" C'mon, have some fun I kinda agree, but still, this is fun! And who wouldn't want to see a cactus named after a fictional gay fetish bar.....?

Big Blue Deep Blue Balls Blue Balls Deep Blue

mine is lop will. As far as I know they don't cross-pollinate with the diffusa

Blue Oyster Bar or just The Blue Oyster

I have a loph starting to flower right now, if I can find someone in melb to help me cross pollinate then I'll happily send some up your way

Winnie blues.

Blue beard's revenge.

If I come across anything in my op shop travels I'll let you know. Are you going to the December ega plant meet?

haha, that'd be throwing her in the deep end with the Lesser Key. Even though that a bunch of other Golden Dawn/Crowleyesque related stuff played a role in the formation of wicca, I don't think most people think of raising Goetic demons when they think of wicca. I'd be happy to take it off your hands though! Crowley's deck is beautiful.

Spiral Dance is still in print so it may very well be in a library

Julia Phillips' the Witches of Oz is a nice little book that goes into the Sabbats according to the Southern Hemisphere. A good book on the history of Wicca like Drawing down the Moon by Margot Adler would be worthwhile. Books by some of the early proponents of Wicca like Gerald Gardner, Doreen Valiant, Stewart and Janet Farrar, Alex Sanders would also be a good starting place for someone seriously interested. bogfrog, that site doesn't work.

Thats a bit sad then. I haven't met many people that have taken ayahuasca but I have read and listened to a lot of people discussing their experiences and it seem many are getting some benefit from their experiences. Of course, some are not. Do you have a standard measurement as to how fucked up you considered people to be before and post experience that makes you consider they've had no benefit whatsoever? You say you haven't seen many people you considered "healed" which implies you've seen some that have? I don't mind bluntness. I was more feeling that Changes posts were vague and random and little more than finger diarrhoea spread through the posts. The fact some of the posts have now been deleted bears out that they contributed little. I think there is wide scope for people deluding themselves and other people, in many ways. But then practically, I question what people want to get out of these experiences and are they getting them? I wonder, who is getting hurt and who is getting helped? There's no doubt people will look for a way out of shitty situations whether its through western medicine, psychology, psychiatry, spiritualism, religion, psychedelics, drugs. For some, some things work, for others it works but they become insufferable assholes, for others it doesn't work and still others just find more harm and even death. Some retreat centres are going to have more ethics around who they treat and why, some in it for the money and some not. I think its a shame to see things so black and white. Its kind of like people that have such an intense hatred of police and can't see beyond that to the people behind the uniform and recognise some are cunts and some aren't. question: who in your opinion are the real shamans? You're statement implies you think there are some out there but these people are not. Is there a point when you see that a shaman has stopped being a shaman because they act in a certain way? Do people going to these places have some responsibility, no matter how fucked up their life is for their own actions or is it all the fault of the system in place, or something else?

I think it is a shame that an article that discusses so many issues and presents an articulate and nuanced examination of not only some troubling circumstances but also potential solutions has resulted in a thread with very little nuance or examination. Is that all you think it really boils down to Change, that this is all just about people taking advantage of each other? Its hard to understand what your points are as their is very little context when you throw up your thought bubbles.

Genesis has about as much trouble playing his/hers as I do mine lol. Could of at least held it up the right way though

I came across this last week and thought it was an interesting approach for people heading over there that want to read up a bit on other peoples experiences at different places. Tripadvisor for the psychedelic tourist I guess. http://ayaadvisor.org/

Maybe you could articulate your views better? Not all shamans or priests are abusers. Sweeping statements don't really contribute to quality discussion.

Won't be able to make it but I hope everyone has a great time

fun

great offer, interested! oh, and can't believe I'm not over 500 posts yet but have been here for a few years now

lucky 13

Theres a book I like called Conscious Dreaming by Robert Moss that is pretty easy to read and pick up the concepts. Using your dreams to gain insight into your life and how to go back into your dreams and interact with them. Its been a while since I read it though and you probably should go through it to see if its kid friendly. He's an australian author so imagine you could find it in your local library.