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No idea if anything changed around here since I first made a signature in 2012, but this week I wanted to change my signature, and put into it my new website URL, but I can't.
Either I am blinded to an edit signature box hidden somewhere in the profile page, or, . . . (might be we have to be stuck with old signatures unless we get special permission perhaps)...
I would say please if I knew how to direct my please properly.
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19 hours ago, waterboy 2.0 said:There's no conspiracy against homeopathy gaining scientific credentials... It's because there is no scientific evidence of any effectiveness.
I'm gonna add that it's also unethical in the modern medical sense as it discourages clinically proven effective treatments.
That's some strong woo to support the woo
True, there is a big risk involved in homeopathy, whenever a patient was directly discouraged from seeking the treatment of modern western medical science sponsored by nation states thereby presumed safer.
Meanwhile the World Health Organization cites homeopathy as the most widely practiced system of health care at Earth. Particularly strongly sustained, for example, in India, Brazil, France, and Cuba where homeopathy got successfully used for a nation wide vaccination programme.
However, homeopathy will never ever be capable of gaining and sustaining the support of anybody who wants pharmaceutical companies to continue to profit. The war against homeopaths is real and very covert since the Royal Family among other multi-millionaires are dependant upon their homeopath's prescriptions. A lot of practicing homeopaths in Brazil are members of the UDV. But if we are running a hard argument in our own heads, in favour of the legalization of psychedelics, becoming enabled by the desires of pharmaceutical companies to profit, then it can become somewhat difficult to simultaneously sustain belief in homeopathy.
Besides which, apparently homeopathy doesn't work so well in some unknown percentage of the population, perhaps as much as half at most. The statistics are that homeopathy works best in very young children and animals, (and even farmers say it helps their crops). In my own observation homeopathy doesn't work in anybody harbouring any idea of knowing how it works, and nobody can come up with the right mindset to ensure it works, it just works better when we know we have no idea how, (ie DON'T LOOK IF YOU WANT HOMEOPATHY TO BE EFFECTIVE).
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17 hours ago, Halcyon Daze said:Trump, well he's just blowin' in the wind.
Actually I am quite certain Trump will prove himself to be just a Challachaqui (as in the kind of spirit person described in Stephen Beyer's "Singing To The Plants", who was associated with the disappearances of children, aka the Junjari and the Quinkin in Australian indigenous folklore, as in the picture book by Percy Treatise "Quinkin Mountain" based on Central North QLD rock art).
But then again Hilary Clinton was no doubt one of those dudes also.
16 hours ago, ThunderIdeal said:My next thread will coincide with the Australian federal election and I will outline how filthy the ALP are, also the greens are communists masquerading as environmentalists. Then again it sounds like a lot of effort.
And sadly Bill Shorten.
Politics were all riddled with such beings manifestations of their attention attracting antics to the detriment of all of our lives.
The only good aspect of understanding somebody was a Challachaqui, was that thereby, we know they be a mere figment of our own collective imaginations, and if only we could all ignore them, they are able to simply evaporate, (eg as in other famous examples like Penn and Teller).
(WARNING: such beings will notably be visible for eating their own face, if only we let them by ignoring, and ourselves cast no blame, since they thrived upon our finding them at fault in small minor matters in which they reflect accurate facts of ourselves which we forgot in their presence)
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I have an ex- who was a flat earther. At first, I laughed at him, and then he pointed to the Sceptics society, and how it was before the spherical nature of the Earth got proven, and about how I myself harbour a lot of scepticism about knew ideas. And it took me quite some years to understand he had continued to harbour and held in reserve a false creed that perhaps the Earth was flat and we were all wrong. I think he only wanted to believe he might by accident be proven to be more correct than the majority. He used to buy the Fortean Times magazine, which is an interesting enough read.
But the reason I posted here, is to mention that in the new film about homeopathy, called Just One Drop, (and about how Australians were fucking up the legal status of homeopathy on a world wide scale), the bad guys, were an organization who lobbied the government to change a high level health department report, which reflected quite well upon homeopathy as having enough scientific evidence to be substantiated. Somebody high in the bureaucracy, believed the lobbists, and the good report was trashed, and then replaced by a dodgy report, that made news world wide. But the lobbyists, turned out to have been the same persons as who used to be a Flat Earth Society, type of organization, and had rebranded themselves as sceptics with an interest in good science. By the time the film got released, the situation is already being reviewed by the Commonwealth Ombudsman.
Both flat earth thinking, and scepticism applied to some science but not other science, was a dumb mind control game.
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tehehehahahahahaha
gunyoga and dogyoga are both hilariously almost believable, as if anyone would,
Arj Barker hilarious moreso because they already did.
Yoga is humorous by default as soon as it came down out of the isolated mountain setting of the guru's enlightenment.
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We need to be critical thinkers about the set and setting of our own lives, and lifestyles, to be more capable of the kind of reflective thinking by which we can observe ourselves in examples of ourselves having fallen into conspiracy thinking.
So, for example, my first full time job was in Community Radio down in Canberra, at 2XX, (learning to sound engineer where Midnight Oil recorded their first too-trashy-to-sell-album), and where I got paid to panel op for all sorts of unusual community voices. It lead me in a certain direction, by which I tend to err on the side of believing in conspiracy theories. And for the good reason that when friends in those years pointed out cars following them, and said "ASIO", it wound up being evidence in court that they were correct, because one woman in our social network was framed by ASIO for the fire bombing of South African diplomats cars, in the 1980s, and in court the ASIO case was proven to be a frame.
Left wing idealists and far out hippy health freak concepts were the order of the day in the social network of my youth. And now, how it is most often challenging for me, is in that I have had to re-learn to think better of folks who harbour more conservative opinions.
Overall, I think it is relevant that we are all mindful of the fact, that any person can be very righteously correct about one matter, and in total self denial about their ignorance in another matter. And often when another person was harbouring a lot of self denial, we don't have the wisdom to understand if their self denial was important for them somehow in a way we can't relate with. Arguing and making discourse is a fine art perhaps, at least when successful. It is about choosing which single smaller points embedded in any discourse, can change slightly in the minds of a few, and that slight change have a far reaching impact.
Subjects like vaccination are extremely foolhardy to get into debating, and in most social contexts, so are psychedelics still in Australia today. Maybe Trump might be as well, since his individual name attracts too much attention, but the concept of faked news, or disinformation campaigns online, is a good one to discuss for challenging each individual to re-think how we evaluate what is truth.
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so much for my intention that I only will use the forum if I am able limit myself to a one liner
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22 hours ago, Halcyon Daze said:Here's what I think is really going on
Australian Scientists Shocked - Shocked! - To Learn Anti-Vaxxers Tend To Believe Other Conspiracies, Too
Spend time talking to someone who considers themselves an anti-vaxxer - or more generously, a vaccine sceptic - and something becomes apparent pretty soon: The conspiracy well usually runs deep. There's no shortage of anti-vaxxers who also believe in other iffy things, such as "natural" cancer treatments and a government-ordered 9/11. A new study, published this week in Health Psychology, reaffirms that obvious connection while providing some insight on why it's so hard to sway anti-vaxxers from demonstrably false beliefs.
IMO 'Conspiracy Theorism' is a powerful addiction whereby the addict is not even able to reach stage one of recovery, the part where they openly admit and accept that they do actually have a problem.
Good luck to 'em, the only one who can actually help them is themselves and it's an almighty mountain to conquer indeed.
14 hours ago, DiscoStu said:so i take it you're an anti-vaxxer then HD?
Sometimes, as we might tend to observe if we like forums like SAB, it is that our mindset is outside of the normal mainstream Western thought paradigm, accorded by our experiential reality having disproven the worth of that paradigm, and as soon as we are freed, even partially, from the paradigm of a Westerner's mindset, we are both at risk of harbouring falsehood, and blessed with a more open mind more capable of thinking for itself.
The issue of vaccination and adults choices not to vaccinate their own offspring, tends to get heated very quickly, because ever parent wants to believe they made the correct choice for their own children. Now, I could let on that my choice was to avoid having anybody stick a needle into my babies, and I will defend that choice to the hilt, but I believe that in this context, the point is not even slightly related to vaccination, and rather more related to how it is, that we all know about the risks involved in having our minds opened too far.
Here is a good example. An old friend, who is one of those folks who used a lot a lot a lot of psychedelics in youth, but nevertheless fell into the entrapment of the dealers of needle drugs, and was always in one relapse or another in the whole time of my acquaintance with him, up to these days with me booting him out of beneath my house at the weekend, he and I have frequently argued about the legal status of birth certificates. He watched a lot of shit in youtube, about the spurious basis of legislative nation statehood, and concluded for himself, that he might not be to blame for his having fucked himself up taking drugs with another old friend who used to work as a prostitute, and who became a mother specifically because she could earn more money as a prostitute who let her clients blame herself for being a badder mother than she really was, in her own perception that was, (whether or not she was a bad mother depends upon whether she continued earning money as a prostitute who let her clients blame her like that, which she never told me),...and the first old friend had happened to find himself in her company, both traversing a dangerous circumstance of the delusion that illegal drug purchases can be offset by finding a situation of poor parenting, and blaming the victims of that, and he had observed via his drug use, that the actual consequence of their having had sex on hammer with that delusion in his mind, was that his own son (living 1000km away) wound up in juvenile detention. Now the youtube based delusion he acquiesced to, which he imagined had excused him from his imaginative behavioural choice, was that all nation states were always trading upon every registered birth certificate, as though the whole economy trades on babies being born. I only tolerated him staying sometimes under the house here, because he also had a brain injury, (from being knocked off the handlebars of his brother's push bike age eight, by a car being driven by the maths teacher of their neighbourhood high school, after which experience he could no longer understand maths as well as previously), that prevents him corresponding his behaviour with the consequences. And then he used Datura too much in his teens, as well as cannabis, and a lot of mushrooms, but progressing rapidly to his favoured speed, then heroin, and still tries to use psychedelics to get out from his heroin habit manifesting alternately extreme alcoholism, despite having all the symptoms of hallucinogen persistent perception disorder, as well as social anhedonia, and now in his late forties, is somewhat of a lost cause, (even in my world, in which I seldom give up on anybody). The point here is that it is possible to open one's mind so far as that one's brains fall out, but usually that had some pre-conditioning in worldly events which were conducive to the lack of brains being as if normal.
As far as the storm situation goes. I choose to avoid contemplating that, because the evidence was not obvious enough to warrant me having an opinion. But as far as the whole Trump predicament goes, just the past week, and in association with pondering whether starting a QLD APS chapter is a good move, there was a shit load of far out patterns of cause and effect going down, (which aforementioned junkie went too cray cray to stay under my house over), in which it manifested as that, (among other weird and wonderful dreamlike consternations of time), the efforts of Australians to cause the re-election of Whitlam after The Dismissal, were prevented, by another individual working within a government industry we ought not name and shame, who "paid it forward" into Trump's election. I rather hope that individual will suffer the consequences in his own industry, of heightened internal suspicions. How my head got involved, was in that after watching the TV show about Whitlam, and seeing for the first time the footage of Jim Cairns and Junie Morosi, I wrote Junie a letter since I met her a few times in Canberra, and let on about how I got told, from a different family of connections with organised crime, about their having set up the connection between the Whitlam government and the dodgy loan broker, at the behest of the CIA, (or so the story got told me). MKUltra ate its heart out before that connection looped itself in as well. And I well understood why it is regarded by many indigenous Shaman all over the world, and significantly held aloft by Ngungkari here in Australia, that if we used psychedelics at any time in our past, we need keep our minds out of politics.
(adding in via an edit here, that if anybody else finds reasonable reason to suspect their own mind connects, it is all OK since the real culprit, outside of any government employee implicated, was known, as in the relatively anonymous mention of his name mostly edited out in my new post-EGA2017 website https://curaezipirid.net/ )
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Well that didn't work. I don't think anybody at all turned up today, unless anyone who read in this thread did. Via Facebook, one person messaged me, but was going to find it hard to get there, another person messaged me and wanted to come along but is stuck at Sunnie coast with no car, and I had a nasty junkie acquaintance from youth turn up on my doorstep wanting to know what's up, managed to escape, but missed a few buses, and then the world went weird awhile and a long time coming integration process became more manifest.
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On 10/01/2018 at 7:23 PM, Infinity said:Hello Rebeka,
I think your proposal has merit and personally I'd love to see it get off the ground.
What are the next steps from here and how do we get involved?
Just had a message exchange with someone I don't know in Facebook. We got as far as ....11am Sunday 28th January 2018, Mt Coo-tha lookout, (catch the 471 bus from Adelaide Street if you need), lets talk face to face about starting a Brisbane Chapter of the Australian Psychedelic Society... before I opened up this thread, (since I am nothing if not foolhardy), . . . and I think we should just go ahead with Sunday 28th talking AND the February 3rd more usual community meet, with plant exchange potential, BBQ, etc.
On 11/01/2018 at 8:28 PM, sharxx101 said:How about Sat 3rd of Feb @Mt Cootha?
On 20/01/2018 at 11:49 AM, Cumbrella said:Saturday 3rd Feb! Locked in...no more humming, umming or arghhing. See ya there.
Doubt I will bring much with me as current weather conditions makes propagation too much work. If anyone is after anything I have or can acquire, pm me and I will happily bring it along.
This is my thinking for now:
- It is good to move now with respect to the recent inauguration down in Melbourne, and assert a Brisbane chapter;
- distinctly, it is also good to be a community behaving like a community who get together socially with or without a formal society;
- Mt Coo-tha seems like the usual location, Silky Oak picnic site (I think is the one after Slaughter Falls, and before Simpson Falls), and is cool;
- Whereas my thoughts of the look out at the top Sunday morning, started with memories of the way integration commences might often enough meet with others similarly minded at Mt Coo-tha lookout at dawn, but since the first bus doesn't arrive until 11am, then that's when...and bring a thermos since we don't need to use the café;
- APS folks in FB reckon to try DMT Nexus website to spread the word as well, and I will do.
It will be nice to meet other folks here in Brisbane who attend EGA events.
I attended EGA first in 2011, and gave a workshop about my prescribing of homeopathic remedies for indigenous heroin addicts. That lead me into my first Ayahuasca experience, (that cured my longish term mild PTSD symptoms etc, etc), ...and already having an indigenous medicine man's gift of Pituri from himself, took me quite far, since I eventually got around to chewing the Pituri as well thereafter. And in 2017, an Israeli man hanging out with Rick Doblin gave me a card with his contact details as the owner of a medical marijuana license for Australia, asking me to provide his contact details to indigenous growers I know. Which I have done. (And oddities are occurring all around.) I am kind of keen to see a Brisbane Chapter of APS made formal, but also mindful that an existing community flow need motivate this process.
This is a cut and paste of the part of the APS Constitution related to Chapters, and it ought be noted that there is no need to incorporate, and neither is it stated whether all group members need be an APS member, (although we need assume one or two at least will):
7 Affiliation of Chapters (1) The Association may endorse the affiliation of a Chapter.
(2) A group of individuals may apply for endorsement as an affiliated Chapter, if not less than three quarters of its members voting at a general meeting vote in favour of becoming affiliated with the Association.
(3) An affiliated Chapter may be established as an unincorporated body which must be consistent with the aims and purposes of the Association.
Be mindful of the APS aims including that of "representing the psychedelic community", and since representational roles can become fraught with political mindedness, there are a number of good reasons why not everybody will likely need be interested in being too involved in the process, and also why everybody might want to know about the process...I don't like politics myself, and am proceeding with all due caution therefore. I mean I don't seriously think just a few interested folk from Brisbane can join APS as members, and then claim to represent the community in Brisbane. The role of an affiliated Chapter need reflect reality somehow.
This URL is the Constitution which APS inaugurated with. Do note that membership is not by proxy, so potentially every member of a Brisbane Chapter will need to join APS. http://www.psychedelicsociety.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Constitution_APS.pdf
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Anybody want to meet face to face, at least two of us will be, (me and somebody who responded in the "Australian Psychedelic Society - Brisbane" Facebook page), 11am Sunday 28th January 2018, Mt Coo-tha lookout, (catch the 471 bus from Adelaide Street if you need), lets talk face to face about starting a Brisbane Chapter of the Australian Psychedelic Society.
I can't really think of much to say except "this will be boring", but at least boring lets itself be open to . . .
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Wondered what SAB might be.
Thought unlikely School of American Ballet, more likely Scientific Advisory Board.
Thought I might like to come along, but it will need depend upon transport, (and perhaps whether others have evaluated me as not scientific enough)
All the same, fare thee well andyamine
....editing this in "ah!... Shamanis Australis Botanicus,...hmmm that's me, can't see trees for the forest, . . ."
. . . the bigger picture too far burned into my skull to dodge, my oddity of mind might be indicative of somehow knowing ... ah, nevermind.
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Hi,
I am keen to know whether the community in Brisbane involved with EGA want a Brisbane chapter of the Australian Psychedelic Society to start here.
I'd be prepared to convene a few initial meetings if anybody else wants.
Is there are reason for having a "psychedelic society"?
My thoughts are yes if anybody is in need of advocacy, or feeling a need to communicate with other folks who want to advocate for the legal healthcare oriented use of psychedelics.
I missed the Australian Psychedelic Society Inaugural General Meeting last Wednesday, which happened in Melbourne at 3CR, and had online access I didn't know about until today.
And I guess that since I know at least a few men who have used psychedelics who don't have a friendly network, it is worth finding out if 4ZZZ want to be involved.
If anybody wants to converse with me in private try my e-mail [email protected]
And since I think in public should be OK, (so long as all safety concerns are met), there is also this thread.
I'd prefer to use this thread than the Australian Psychedelic Society - Brisbane Facebook group, but as that exists as well, anybody interested might want to connect there as well.
I mean, I know it will be all the boring stuff, but sometimes it is going to be the boring stuff which keeps our set and setting safe and sound.
My own interest is in enabling legitimate and overt (as in not illegal), use of psychedelics as interrupters of addiction. I have experience using homeopathy to interrupt addiction, and believe homeopathy's efficacy is improved via psychedelics, (and homeopathy can improve psychedelics efficacy as well).
There is a document I found today in the Global Psychedelic Society/Network website, of basic guidelines for starting a Psychedelic Society group. Produced I think by somebody in APS in Melbourne. I tried to attach it here but it didn't transfer, so I will cut and paste it if anybody else wants it here.
I have no idea why my own identity seems to be coming out as a sometimes user of one psychedelic or another, (actually not nearly as much as many of you will have used), but it seems to be something which is happening outside of my own capacity to be in control of my outcomes, so I am just rolling with this for as long as it lasts.
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Hi, I just posted the following message into the Australian Psychedelic Society Brisbane group Facebook group page.
QuoteHi all, I'd like to convene a Brisbane based meeting if possible. My thoughts so far are: set a time and place; notify APS in Melbourne Sydney Adelaide, also Global Psychedelic Network; promote time and place and APS via 4ZZZ; open a discussion thread with a potential agenda; as if anybody else wants to volunteer to do this instead of or with me (instead since you may be better connected, have a larger online network etc). I might start a discussion up in Shamanis Australis Corroboree forum also, especially since I don't much enjoy using Facebook. Might be Torsten is interested to be involved.
I think I want to convene, or encourage others to convene, a formal Brisbane based, or Brisbane-Sunshine-Gold coast chapter of the Australian Psychedelic Society. I think there is an intrinsic value in having an overt face of established interest in potential legal uses of psychedelics, without also being expected to be a users group.
If anyone is interested, contact me via [email protected]
Other than that, I may also like meeting anyone living in Brisbane who attended EGA.
Early in the New Year sounds soon, and I think it is safe to include me, in spite of my wordy bias . . .
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If he has never taken DMT how does he know that meditating gives him the same effects?
maybe somebody told him about their experiences, and maybe that is why he never took it, (some ways of telling the story are preventative medicine, and other ways of telling, tend to encourage the use!)
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the doctrine of extreme dilutions is actually not the most important aspect of what homeopathy is
a lot of homeopaths focus on proving the dilution is sustaining the character of the original substance, but only because they want more patients and money
In fact, the more important part of homeopathy, is in that the doctrine is of "like cures do like"
Even if it is all placebo effect, just the process of a homeopath finding what plant, mineral, or animal by-product, is most similar to a patients disease process, can help the patient by aiding their self knowledge.
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satan's chariot for me
Well, if you need to fit him in to only one, you'd think it'd be Atheist, wouldn't you, BUT, he rates a good mention in the Bible and Qur'an, (even as a son-of-god, and only just slightly mistaken whereas Jesus made no errors, and in the status of son-of-god, which means Arch Angel, of the highest order, aka Seraphim, even one tiny error is tantamount to having been doing all bad), AND, he is clearly not entirely absent from Asian religious practice, AND, within indigenous Australian culture, in many parts of Australia, among many Aboriginal men, he would be held to be one of the Aboriginal Spirit men who live in the sky near Alice, except, that in his form in the heavens above Alice, he had not yet fallen, not, that is, until this year perhaps, as some Aboriginal Australians dream with him in an already fallen state, and thereby converted to Christianity, beginning in around 1956 as a formal statement of self recognition of now needing Jesus, as Satan was manifestly mistaken in one matter, whereas, I know of a few Aboriginal men who still tonight even are dreaming with Satan at a time from before he fell, BUT ALSO, other Aboriginal Australians who had always been more within Islam's influence, (Indonesian historical records count the north of Australia as part of the once domineering empire of Islam), have already seen him in redemption, (but therefore have to trust Jesus as even Satan is now telling everyone to).
Basically, if you have to say "what about Satan" I'd say best count yourself among indigenous belief systems if you live in Australia. In other lands, the Devil is a different fallen Angel at times, (eg Lucifer is known in Native American cultures), even though Satan tends to be dominating, due to his rank among all Angels. But Lucifer is a fallen Cherubim, so tends to be just as strong as a fallen Seraphim.
Mind but, I am expressing all this within an Abrahamic faith's point of view, of course, and an indigenous point of view, would start with a yarn about the Alice Spirit Beings in the sky, and how they are all of our ancestors, and how they are willing to fall to save us all, but that then, they first turn into the land forms, but now are having to constantly work their way back through the evolution of species (hard core science or what), into human form, and live a perfect human life, (which is why Jesus is well respected in indigenous culture, because the stories all say someone will, then we all will), but we all fall loads of times before we work it all out perfect, and can go back into the Sky to live again.
As for expressing within Asian religions, all I have to say, is didn't anybody watch the TV show of Monkey, (or are you all too young to remember).
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"cosmo-bureaucratic efficiency" fucken red tape even at a higher conciosness.....
why be there no rasta there!!!
Ras Tafari men belong among the Abrahamic beliefs, if we align ourselves with historical origins of thought. Haile Selasi was King in Ethiopia in which Kingdom was then held to be that realm of Zion.
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The Four Luminous Chariots of Earth.
1) Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Bahai...)
2) Eastern religions (Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism...)
3) Indigenous religions (African, American, Australian, Asian...)
4) Atheism (Hardball Science)
I have some kind of religious quandary going on over having to choose, BUT, I am able to give a scientific explanation of why.
My brain got itself trained into habits of mind that are what is known in religions, as "the fourth way"; AND, (well from here on in its going to be less scientific and more religious, unless counting the history and anthropology of religions as scientific), I also happen to have realised, reading the above statement, that, the way by which the metaphysical alignments of money's secret purposes, (well that's a bankers secret fantasy know how about controlling everybody via their coin, ie what Briggs-Myers personality type are you, and what type can be imposed upon you by bankers), via the Rosicrucian craft lodges within Masonic Temples, (scientifically, yes, I visited the Theosophists secret inner library to know they are Rosicrucian, and learned that Rosicrucians are Masonic craft lodges, from an Islamic website forum where a Muslim Mason was posting . . .), who fancied themselves having some kind of dippy old control in the economy, over the religious ideas, in which "the fourth way" had any meaning.
Now, in almost all of the points above, 1. 2. and 3. , "the fourth way" is a recognisable phenomenon.
But so are three other ways, obviously.
The names for the ways of men, come from sanscrit as the oldest known surviving lingo, and the original version of the Hindu caste system was divided into four along similar lines, but outmoded as it was never an exact fit. But all four ways are normally thought of as four ways into that room within ones metaphorical house, within which one can know the cause of one's existence, and so begin to work aligned with such cause, which is where the potential for real enlightenment etc springs from.
1. is the way of the Fakir, which means developing the "will power" of the body, by working the body's physical prowess, (saw youtube link in Facebook recent of an Indian sanyasan who had been keeping one of his arms straight up in the air for the past 10 years already, but if you don't like that idea, Cathy Freeman is a suitable role model of);
2. is the way of the Monk, which means developing the "will power" of the body, by working the body's emotions, (eg devotional prayers and Art and Music etc);
3. is the way of the Yogi, which means developing the "will power" of the body, by working the body's mind, until it sustains constantly accurate thought associations, (known to be associated with Yoga practice because control of the thinking is achieved by control of the posture);
4. is all of the above three ways working in unison.
Now I did happen to know, that the Rosicrucians have been attempting to decide for themselves who gets to be in which of those four categories, via the strings they imagined having on everybody's money, via how wealthy the Rosicrucians themselves once were. AND, that the alignment they happened to have been working at, was as silly as having been attempting to prove that everybody with any indigenous Australian identifications, was only allowed to express themselves economically in the way of the Fakir, (as though dead if expressing other ways, but they did not really have that kind of control, they only imagined to have).
However, when it gets put in the terms of there being 4 possibilities to choose from in belief, I say, well what about the fourth way! Which one is it!
My head reckons like this:
1. Abrahamic faiths have to be the way of the Yogi, because all the good sanity rules are in those religions.
2. Eastern religions have to be the way of the Fakir, because between them they have both Yoga and Tai Chi, and those are my favourite physical disciplines, and I hear Dzogchen practice is quite cool.
3. Indigenous religions have to be the way of the Monk, because they are all held stable by ancient initiatory rituals, by which men get taught the fundamentals of how to enable the emotions to be kept clean, and in control of the reins of choice making, . . . a kind of an intuitive sensibility we all seem to retain from our ancestors whoever our ancestors happen to be, that being responsible for intuitive sensibilities, is important.
but this leave the atheists in charge of the fourth way
or is it that fourth way adherents are in charge of the atheists
either way amounts to very much the same
in that within the belief, be it fully atheist, or fully fourth way, (in which it is taught, that all "willingness" and "doing" is only possible via One God being who is ultimately willing), it all amounts to the same
I think I resolved the quandary I had now thanks everybody
Therefore, I hate to have to say so, but I choose, . . . A Theism
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potential natural remedies to help out . . . . for real, that may be a good punishment, . . .
so what? Rumple is Chef...and he's gay? what?
lol
this place can be quite odd.
the quote above was kind of where my head was at until I read the whole thread, but I'd seen his "maybe I won't be back" thread, so had to keep reading
but my head went, he's gay, no he had faked an online identity here, NO he is really circumcised, and so I voted for clothed humiliation thanks everybody, (not that the circumcised version is not preferable).
I think he could be decently clothed in his humiliation by having an open thread, of him divulging his secret fears, and anybody who knows anything about homeopathy, trying to take his case and figure out what homeopathic remedy could cure him. But maybe that was only because I got involved in vual's homeopathy thread, so have a brain association between these forums and homeopathy in development.
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Hmmmm,
well normally I am a total purist when it comes to using any plant as an individual substance, seperate from other plants, and normally I would have looked up the most traditional method, and followed it, and done nothing else, but with Heimia, (I have only tried it as a dried herb), I first left heimia plus a eucalyptus lozenger for the oil in it, and a small amount of alchol to kick start the processes, in a jar of purified water for 24 hours in the sun, then put it on the stove briefly, and boiled the pot dry, then added more water, and drank that. It had the ear hole effect for sure, but I don't much like my earholes being messed with, so I don't really want to do it again now, but I did also try the dried leaves in another combination, mixed with: mexican dream herb, and a few more eucalyptus lozengers, and a little alcohol again, some mucuna, and grated daikon radish. Same deal, left it in the sun for 24 hours, then cooked it, and boiled it dry, twice, (added water, and boiled that dry too, in fact two of my saucepans are still scarred as a result of the burning, as I charred all the leaves and radish . . . got to have good timing to reduce pot risk), then with the liquid from the third time I boiled it dry, I drank half, (tasted great by comparison to unburned heimia), and added chocolate and coconut and sunflower seeds, and flour to the rest, and cooked it briefly, and wound up with loads of very small nasty tasting chocolate brownies, that worked a treat.
But as I say, I didn't much like the ear hole effect, and found it was almost entirely only a feedback loop of me myself. Which isn't good for the hearing.
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certain people may certainly be certain on your behalf there rumple
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To waterboy, in particular here (no need bother boring yourselves with reading all this if the discourse is irrelevant to you),
1. My point was that homeopathy's limited (approx. 50%) efficacy is in no way related to any rituals, which I noted by stating it is not related to what we believe, (since I'd reckon most rituals are about reinforcing specific belief patterns).
2. If you want me out of SAB because I am a witness of the efficacy of homeopathy, your wish is granted, (I guess since SAB need be oriented into what harmonizes with police surveillance and police happen to find themselves distrustful of homeopaths, often for good reason I gather), and if you just want to ban me from ever mentioning any positive belief in homeopathy, then I will likely retire once again from using SAB.
3. I don't have an agenda of promoting homeopathy in particular, just had an offer open to correct misinformation if anybody wants.
4. You are wrong, we do not need know how it works for it to work, and I will nevertheless take it from you, that being "good on spin" might be a compliment coming from you since you believe in the need for knowing everything about anything for anything to be real, since I guess that means you think anybody "good on spin" could spin anything into becoming real.
5. The film "Just One Drop" had a lot of evidence in it, specifically related to how the Australian government report had at first made a quite good assessment of existing scientific research, but then changed the report changing its standards specifically so as to eliminate need to consider the most of the research, (over a hundred articles reduced to under ten: and that list of over a hundred is probably the set of references appropriate here)and other than that, there are a significant number of online sources of good scientific evidence, which many folks find hard to grapple with just on the base of ultra high dilutions being effective, and I can't be bothered sourcing right now to try to convince somebody who was self-proclaiming their desire to stay unconvinced, however, for example the website "hpathy" dot com.
6. I didn't say WHO support homeopathy, just that they cite it is the most practiced system of medicine in the world, AND, I don't ever, and never tried, to earn an income via homeopathy myself, (any money I got or could get from health care involved more thorough health care than only homeopathy).
7. The evidence of why homeopathy fails, tends not to be supported by the community of professional homeopaths, and my own beliefs about why homeopathy fails in half the population, tend to be disliked by the kinds of people who homeopathy fails for, which I expect those who disagree with homeopathy to be among, so why would I bother describing why I think it can't work for them, (ie it can't work by looking at the imagery any remedy is likely to cause briefly inside the mind, but works better by un-seeing and disbelieving what might be visible to anybody seeking knowledge, since all they'd be looking at will be through the rose-coloured-glasses of their own diseases exaggerated).
8. I don't care what you think of anti-vaccination campaigns, all I cared about is that my choice to avoid vaccination will not be deemed ignorant, since I researched the matter extensively, and initially made a choice simply to delay vaccination until I could learn more, since I know some nation states do not begin vaccination schedules until infants are over one year old, and their statistics are better, (whereas USA statistics are worst, and they begin a heavier vaccine schedule upon younger babies).
9. I have no intention of pigeon-holing you waterboy, and thankyou if you will also avoid pigeonholing me.
10. The science of "immunology" was clearly missing out on a lot of potential work, by failing to consider what evidence they could be researching through homeopathy; for example more longitudinal studies, since single dose homeopathic medicines are known to continue working for many days and weeks, and it is normal that the more successful changes in symptoms accorded, take longer than expected. Immunologists have neither been very good with following through from their own research, for example in immuno-genetics, work done about Major Histo-compatibility Complex molecules, could by now be extensively enabling of us all to increase our immunity, but was ignored. And as for the situation in Cuba, since you linked the anti-homeopathy point of view, here is the equitably pro-homeopathy link https://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/homoeopathic-immunisation-against-leptospirosis-in-cuba/
11. About homeoprophylaxis in general, I don't support the practice, and agreed with the court ruling against one example of homeoprophylaxis here in Australia, and if anybody happens to look in the link, it cites a "debate between Professor Vithoulkas and Dr Golden", both of whom I have studied under, and in the case of homeoprophylaxis I most certainly side aligned with Vithoulkas, even though I find him lacking in another aspect of his theoretical approach.
12. Homeopathy theory is long to describe, and a dense read, which needs a clear mind to grapple with as a description of evidence, which need not be bogged down by speculation about causation, (and a whole variety of sub-theories exist among homeopaths about why it works, but no single theory ever gained prevalence), and in general if anybody wanted to so much as try to comprehend, there is a neat description in the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration website glossary, and next port of call for finding meaning need by the original text by Samuel Hahnemann called the Organon of Medicine, ...a book dating back two hundred odd years.
13. Yes, homeopaths are all advocating for a system of medicine which pre-dates most of modern western medical science, and hence my belief that we ought not rule out what therapies are available through Western medical science, but need make all appropriate referrals.
14. It's the funniest coincidence of all, that one among many theories about how homeopathy works, is that the diluted remedies somehow can alter the production and/or metabolism of endogenous DMT, and thus psychedelic science and homeopaths might need to get together one day, (as in the case of the UDV), however, I have no great expectations of the sciences funded by the West, and merely post all this so as to communicate to waterboy it is better not to make any further presumptions about me.