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Just curious Do you have any references to the "Medicinal" qualities of this plant from any one other than the ONE guy from Tahiti? that inundates the literature and self-perpetuates the myth about this citrus fruit? I have yet to see any evidence at all.

CHEESE Contains tyrosine and tryptophan amino acids which are often reported to induce colourful dreams But I dont know of any plants that grow cheese so youll have to try the animal product I suggest

"A quick round of name throwing".... Regarding my posts and website I do not mind constructive critisisms which will result in the ultimate improvement of the information offered. However I prefer these comments to come from those who have studied the subject and can read plain english. There is one here who leaps before he looks, spews forth bullshit primarily because he is to LAZY to read what is directly in front of him. He assumes implied scenarios which are purely figments of his own imagination and exageration of his limited ego. This person has accused me of being a FRAUD IGNORANT and a LIAR. I initially dismissed these comments as the rantings of an idiot. (obvious evidence above)However in retrospect I decided I could not let this lie without response. With these traits I would suggest he would have trouble passing High school biology let alone declaring him self in anyway scientfically literate. I also believe I do more real science in 5 minutes than this dickhead has done in his entire life. I Leave it to all viewers here to read the above posts. I believe it is fairly simple to see who the FOOL realy is. This is my final post here. I will not respond further now that all my samples have gone. I do appreciate the very positive responses and comments from EVERY other informed literate (can speaka da engalisha) viewer of this board and my website. Thank you Theo STICKIT WHERE THE SUN DONT FRIGGIN SHINE you stupid ignorant IDIOT. NOW I feel much better having got that off my chest cheers

Yawn...

Sorry on second thoughts definately not enough ribs to be Trichocereus terscheckii but spine definately similar.

Looks like a dehydrated Trichocereus terscheckii the ribs would normally be convex not concave the spine cluster formation is identical to one I have here. However the number of ribs seems less for the size shown, mine is 1.5m with about 14 ribs.

Your right but I took back my initial reticense about handing out location details. This is the most prolific of the species, and I would like to stimlate some discussion so I decided to release those 4 (which btw are available via public access on the Internet). I have over 100 more such locations, Hopefully amongst the hoards of forest rapers some will actually fall into good hands. The same is not true with E. ecarinatum a true rainforest tree in every sense of the word. These are extremely rare and I will never divulge their Locations. (Too bludy hard to find the next one . You can see details from recent photos at http://www.webcauldron.com/rareplants/eryt..._ecarinatum.htm I am still gathering specimens from E. ellipticum and will release further details as they become available. data so far can be found at http://www.webcauldron.com/rareplants/eryt..._ellipticum.htm I will post GCMS/HPLCMS results later this year if finances permit Initial results of GCMS analysis indicate Atropine type tropane moity which may explain the mydriasis dry mouth and other cholinergenic or parasymapathetic symptoms reported on ingestion of E.australe leaves. If so it brings the the species based on biochemical genotyping into the group closer to the tropane pathways of Solanaceae such as Datura Bella Donna and Brugmansia and rather more distant from the tropane chemistries associated with its cousins the south american species.

For your area try E.australe 25 19S 150 23E E.australe 26 58S 151 37E E.ellipticum* 27 25S 153 00?E E.australe 27 00?S 151 34E *suspect they really meant E.australe Also wasnt sure from your remark about website which of the 23 pics of E.australe you are refering to... Just curious http://www.webcauldron.com/rareplants/eryt...on_australe.htm cheers

Thank you for your important contribution to science theobromos. Im glad you have identified the true identity of that material called Catuaba. I have not had the opportunity of examining it first hand so I can not positively identify it. I believe examination of the "Catuaba" petals would show a lack of one very genus specific characteristic ie: Petals green/white/cream with a pronounced appendage ruffle on the inner surface of the petals with 2 very short crested lobes midway between the base and the apex. This I think would allow us to boot it permanently from the record... Having obviously made the same observation myself you will note, at the start of each section dealing with "Catuaba" the proviso querying the validity of "Catuaba's" listing in the erythroxylum genus. eg quote from my website "Family: Erythroxylaceae Genus: Erythroxylum Species: catuaba martius (is this really a species of Erythroxylum?)" and further . . . "Family: Erythroxylaceae (I do not believe this is correct) Genus: Erythroxylum Species: catuaba martius" I hope I am not looking quite as FOOLish as some now... It is included in the website because it is STILL called Erythroxylum catuaba and sold as such. So for completeness the pitiful data I have collected is there as stated until better arrives. And yes it does have info from the site you mentioned and several others as well.. I find it the best way to get it in one spot and look for contradictions and reinforcements. It was also important to get a handle on the pharmacognosy and alkaloidal chemotype claims. Having identified this genus as a logical candidate for pharmacognositic investigation I noticed, whilst researching this topic years ago, the amount of totally contradictory data in the many of the original references to this genus. In order to resolve the discrepencies in the literature it was necessary to get up and see these species first hand. Having done that, I then put together, what I believe is the first report (see website), correctly combining the archival and first hand data into the most accurate botanical report on these Australian species to date. I did it as an aid for those who like me have an interest in pharmacognosy. By putting in one place, the information I took so long to find myself others can now find it quickly and efficiently avoiding the frustration I endured. This genus includes many species which have provided various communities throughout the southern hemisphere with numerous resources.. timber medicines food for thousands of years. Many are the source of various unique compounds of the important tropane alkaloid group used throughout medicine. One of its species is of such major economic importance that several south american countries are directly affected by it politically and economically. The species, E.coca produces one tropane alkaloid Cocaine a substance deemed far too dangerous for the public to be allowed to use and as such, vaste resources are expended to limit its production and distribution. This is fair enough as it was decided democratically? The problem is that of the other 250 species (NB with 2 execeptions: novo and trux) have absolutely no illicit substance in them at all, yet many examples of poorly thoughtout legislation tend to blanket ban anything spelt the same way. I use the Australian TGA and US standards which in essence concern themselves specifically with those species containing cocaine, ecgonine and methyl-ecgonine. Specifically E. coca ; E. novogetenses and e. trux.. Declaring these definate NO NOs but excluding those species without controlled substances present. If there is no illicit substance present in these plant species material then the only problem lies in the name. If so why is E. catuaba freely available and sold even in NSW. As far as the NSW legislation is concerned E. australe is classified as a noxious weed so growing it is not permitted but St Johns Wort is also a noxious weed in the same state where it is regularly wild harvested transported all over the place and generating a steady income for a small cottage industry. The law is grey if there is no illegal substance present. It is important that these and many other native species be thoroughly examined to broaden our understanding of the vaste variety of ingenious ways plants have of chemically dealing with problems. Allowing light to be shone on problems of our own from a new angle especially in medicine and pest management. However, with science in this country, the way its going, it is unlikely much resource will be spent in this area, so it is up to those like us to go out and do the miles. I hope my site is useful for all and helps those who wish to follow in my foot steps btw the seeds and leaf sample offer above, is purely for identification purposes and no claim is made as to the seeds viability. My site is open to suggestions and welcomes any new valid data.

After an expedition to the top end last year, I still have a few seeds and some leaf from Erythroxylum australe available. For those who are interested academically, and are after specimens for taxonomic, pharmacognostic, ethnobotanical or DNA studies I can offer 5 seeds and a sample of leaves (couple of grams) for $25AUD. (WILD HARVEST - No guarantee of viability). (see my site for further information done in conjuction with Lambo) http://www.webcauldron.com/rareplants/erythroxylaceae/