Guest electro Posted April 19, 2004 ok after subjecting rice to some contam tests ive come to the conclusion that rev (or was it mesq ..) is right .. rice is brilliant ! I would like to know if the following species, if cased, can Fruit off of medium grain brown rice (or in the case of woodlovers, if the rice cakes need to be broken up and used to innoculate cardboard/sawdust).... species in question: * Enoki * Shiitake * cremini (swiss brown) * Portobello (are these just more mature cremini ?) ------------------------------------------------- Results of the test are below: A & B Were NOT innoculated - it was simply to test lids, contam rates & sterilisation technique. C WAS innoculated with a legal edible dung lover just to see if decent air exchange was achieved through the lid. ------------------------------------------------ a) 5 jars (300 ml drinking cups) - pc 1hr @12.6 psi LID: Verm layer, alfoil lid, another verm layer, alfoil top. - NO CONTAMS @ 2 weeks in incubator (heated by a water heater & a pool of water) 5 jars (300 ml drinking cups) - pc 1hr @12.6 psi LID: Single layered piece of Glad oven bag with elastic band to hold it on - NO CONTAMS @ 2 weeks in incubator (heated by a water heater & a pool of water) c) 5 jars (300 ml drinking cups) - pc 1hr @12.6 psi LID: Single layerd piece of Glad oven bag with elastic band to hold it on Innoculated with agar transfer in bleached glovebox - NO CONTAMS & Complete colonisation @ 2 weeks in incubator (heated by a water heater & a pool of water) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smogs Posted April 19, 2004 cant help you with the question but i would be VERY interested in a culture of any or all of those yummy! oh also dont expect your enoki to turn out like in the supermarket they grow them in special long neck flask thingies and i think in high C)2 conditions to get em like that tastes the same tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
visualfx Posted April 19, 2004 hey electro, how do you prepare the rice? cooked? soaked? dry? thanks, vfx . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smogs Posted April 19, 2004 i boil mine in plenty of water for about 10mins then drain immediately (dont let it soak up all the water) and ive had good success with that so far Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest electro Posted April 19, 2004 2 cups rice + 4 cups water... bring to boil then simmer for 20 mins with a lid on (its still semi solid then, not mushy - perfect for eating). Strain & spread out on large plate .. leave to cool uncovered for 20 mins (this gets rid of some more water - water worries me coz everything i make rots coz of too much of it .. except for this ! ) .. gently load rice into jars . pc the hell out of it . if you want it to be able to move around add a cup of vermiculite & it acts a little more like grain than sticky rice (ie until colonised it is able to be shaken about) (its still not as good as wbs was, but with contam rates this low i dont care ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
visualfx Posted April 20, 2004 cheers guys! this is a good one to know about...will have to give it a shot soon. nice work, vfx . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smogs Posted April 20, 2004 dont use white rice it goes all gluggy and sticks together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest electro Posted April 22, 2004 do rice cakes NEEED to be cased ? i mean, can gnomes get away without casing, or is that a sure fire contam ? (i ask because as mentioned in another post, the gnome down the road managed to contam his first clean rice cakes [smelled and tasted fine] with a 50/50 casing mix)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smogs Posted April 22, 2004 if the cake is nice and solid then no casing is better tho i think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest electro Posted April 22, 2004 solid as in completley colonised ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smogs Posted April 22, 2004 yeah and wont fall apart when u pull a mushroom off and crumble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
visualfx Posted April 22, 2004 cakes never NEED to be cased, but i will always case, without exception! the casing layer helps to stop the mycelium from drying out and to keep humidity high. when you birth a cake, be it BRF or rice grains, the outside layer is exposed to air and will likely dry out over time, and be extremely difficult to fruit from, similar to overlay. casing prevents this, and can give you a lager surface area to fruit from... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest electro Posted April 23, 2004 yeh, but the ultrasonic humidifyer should take care of the himidity problem .. thanks all for the input [ 22. April 2004, 20:39: Message edited by: electro ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psylogic Posted May 6, 2004 where can you get ultra sonic humidifiers from?.. are they available at hardware stores? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest electro Posted May 9, 2004 the markets and pet stores ... between 99 and 140 for the good ones with replacable plates (the vibrating plate dies after a while .. dunno how long tho .. have had mine for a year and it still keeps keeping on) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
