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  1. Posted

    Nah paradox, im Greek,from Peloponnese (at least my parents were, i was born in aus.)

    I just find it annoying that all you ever hear about China in the media is bad, they were even criticized during the earthquake they had not long ago.

    I donno, i like their style in which they do things also. I saw a doco ages ago about a flood they had once, and the way they all worked together (adversity always helps tho i guess) was inspiring and i gained much respect for their people, and more recently iv been delving into their ancient past, a world in unto its own.

    Add to that Every Chinese person iv ever met all the way back to primary school where good people. (much better then hanging around "wogs") in which for some reason i never really fit in with them.

    So i guess athe quick way to put it is that i respect their people,

    and how they have built up their nation (albeit a little too fast, hence the pollution everyone is complaining about),

    and more importantly, they have lifted hundreds of millions of their people out of poverty and look to do the same in Africa, a continent that has always been poverty stricken.

    Plus, just being kind to our future overlords :) Nah their cool hehe

  2. Posted

    Nope, no one is Forcing me to do anything, ild rather blow my body into bits so no one can have anything.

    That said, i did say Force. A willful donation is another matter.

    MindExpansion, would you still have a utalitarian mind set if someone forced you never to expand your mind?

  4. Posted

    :bong: Eh, i dont see it as a big issue, even most of the athletes dont think its much of a problem (From what iv seen in interviews)..

    Ild think its just more anti chinese stuff, which im getting very sick of hearing from everywere because of the olympics. Yea, they have a pollution problem,and one would want the optimum conditions, but if australia had 1 billion people then so would we. Plus, they have been attacked like twice in a week or so, but the news still focuses on the pollution (biASS)

    Doesent anyone have any sympathy for the chinese lol? their only, say less then 50 years from their united modern china. And i can assume fairly confidently that the more people try to pressure them, the less they will budge. let them evolve like every other nation have done.

    Plus, im not sure if this is a common knowledge but during chinas unification, some governments tried setting up puppet state goverments that would oppose the the communists simply because they dident want china to expand as big as they are today.

    So instead of having asia "ruled" by a big china, it could have been ruled OVER because it would have broken asia up into many more smaller and more manageable countries. same goes with tibet. well same shit, dif day. (If china doesent get its water, then india will,leaving tibby in the same spot)

    What about Cyprus in Greece, the Basques in spain\france, the Armenians, the kurds, the tamils? and the countless others who want a piece of land to call their home? the world is a funked up place..

    I dont want to say everything the chinese are doing is good, but its pretty much what everyone else has done at one point or another in history. As they say, true change comes from within, so with that, i say let em be (Stop the media Bias), and ONLY focus on true atrocities, no matter which country they happen in.

    Sorry for the hijack lol, im in a talkative state atm :bong:

    PS- if anyone decides to flame me, be kind, im sensitive to heat :)

  5. Posted

    Nice man, does that mean i can come if it falls on a good day?

    As for strippers i donno,cant be much more then a few hundred, again depending on how long she'd be in action for, if enough of an "inner circle" emerges then everyone can pitch in, im sure people would be more then happy to put in for a stripper (not put it in THE stripper ..altho :) )

    I dont have any stories as i dont usually (ever) go to parties, mainly because i dont feel so comfortable with the general loud (strangely scary) population :( (social anxiety).Guess i got to fight it instead of flying the hell outa those places.. anyway, What kind of crowd come to your parties?

  7. Posted

    I just want to make it clear, as far as im concerned about salvia, the plant itself should be legal, i couldent care less and would rather online vendors dont sell 20x or 50x extracts, thats retarted. even if they kept importing salvia preparations could be kept illegal, but the plant itself is what im trying to say.

    Views on this can vary, and im not 100% on it as it is kind of hypocritical, but IMO, if people want it, they should HAVE to grow it, rather then being able to buy massive extracts which i think is wrong (For SD anyway.)

    I would just like to think we can live in a place where someone can grow a plant legally without being hindered by the stupidity of others.

    Yeti, How many letters petitions to the TGA would we need to get noticed you reckon? (if where even that lucky :()

  8. Posted · Edited by Jesus On Peyote

    Hot damn,

    The harm reduction aspect i guess your right, there are alot more legal harmful things then illigal, one of the main reasons i mentioned it was because on the basis of the ban all they say is

    high potential for abuse and risk to public health and safety.

    If we can prove its harmless health wise, then thats one down, and everyone knows that it is not addictive in any shape way or form, so thats number 2.

    If these can be proved supposedly beyond doubt, then legally what stance can they have for keeping it legal until they write up a new legislation to ban it? or am i being too ignorant about who and how the drug laws are taken care of?

    Im just wanting to hear as much info as possible about ways that we can make a change in this area of things before its too late.

    Anyway, i just feel that the laws are closing in too fast and soon even this forum will be illegal, and when more plants are banned,i can see the ethno community in Aus getting paranoid and our once "under the table" trades are becoming non existent, and so too the plants themselfs soon after.

    Has anyone ever started a guerrilla war for the sovereignty and de-segregation of plants? Plants of all colors,Cultures,Countries and chemicals!

    I HAVE A DREAM!! :)

    ED- Thanks Ballz, Yea looks like theve stopped updating much, but anything is better then nothing i guess. maybe we need to kick start a new one.

  9. Posted · Edited by Jesus On Peyote

    Hehe, nice one.

    BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

  10. Posted · Edited by Jesus On Peyote

    Hiyas,

    Iv just been pissed off lately about the ban on kava and most probable ban on Qat,that i was on google trying to find an australian pro legalize salvia site (which i sadly couldent) and found myself at a link to the TGA website,so i thought what the hell, iv had some time to burn and some reading wouldn't be bad for me,so i did a search for Salvia and came up with this http://agencysearch.australia.gov.au/searc...amp;form=simple

    Where there was only 6 documented entries about it 2 done in 2001 and 1 in 2002.

    ANyway, of those 6 only 3 have any info about it other then the mention of its name. So i thought ild do a quick cut and paste of all the hard work, consideration and time they put into banning Salva.

    Quotes will be from first to last in time frame.

    NDPSC Record of reasons, Meeting 32, 21-23 August 2001

    SALVIA DIVINORUM

    OUTCOME

    44. The Committee agreed that there appeared to be a prima facie case for control of

    Salvia divinorum as an hallucinogen, but that there was no evidence of a major public

    health hazard at this stage. Accordingly, the Committee agreed to foreshadow

    appropriate Schedule 9 entries and seek public comment.

    FORESHADOWED DECISION

    Schedule 9 - New entries

    SALVIA DIVINORUM

    8-METHOXYCARBONYL-4A,8A-DIMETHYL-6-ACETOXY- 5-KETO-

    3,4,4B,7,9,10,10A-SEPTAHYDRO-3-(4-FURANYL)- 2,1-NAPHTHO[4,3-

    E]PYRONE *(SALVINORIN A)

    NDPSC Record of reasons, Meeting 33, 20-22 November 2001

    SALVIA DIVINORUM

    DECISION 2001/33 - 7.

    The Committee agreed to confirm its foreshadowed decision to include Salvia

    Divinorum in Schedule 9 of the SUSDP, on the basis of high potential for abuse and

    risk to public health and safety.

    Schedule 9 - New entries

    SALVIA DIVINORUM.

    8-METHOXYCARBONYL-4A,8A-DIMETHYL-6-ACETOXY- 5-KETO-

    3,4,4B,7,9,10,10A-SEPTAHYDRO-3-(4-FURANYL)- 2,1-NAPHTHO[4,3-

    E]PYRONE *(SALVINORIN A).

    The last one, And with most information.

    Record of the Reasons 36th Meeting 15-17 October 2002

    16.2 SALVIA DIVINORUM

    PURPOSE

    The Committee considered Salvia divinorum and its active ingredient salvinorin A.

    BACKGROUND

    Salvia divinorum is a member of the mint family and contains a range of diterpenes

    including salvinorin A, its primary psychoactive substance. It has been reported that

    salvinorin A is a highly active naturally occurring hallucinogen whose mechanism of

    pharmacological action is not clear. Inhalation of 200 to 500 μg (2.9-7.1 μg/kg for a 70

    kg adult) of salvinorin A produces psychoactive effects in humans (Seibert DJ, 1994,

    Salvia divinorum and Salvinorum A: new pharmacologic findings. J Ethnopharmacol 43:

    53-56). Traditionally, the leaves of Salvia divinorum were consumed by the Mazatec

    Indians of Mexico during spiritual rituals for its vision-inducing effects. The leaves were

    either chewed and ingested or taken as an aqueous infusion.

    Salvia divinorum is being widely promoted as a “legal” hallucinogen on overseas internet

    sites increasing interest in its use as a recreational drug. Contemporary use of Salvia

    divinorum as a recreational hallucinogen includes smoking the dry leaves, chewing leaves

    in a quid or ingesting liquid extracts in tincture form.

    The November 2001 NDPSC Meeting agreed to include Salvia divinorum and salvinorin

    A in Schedule 9 of the SUSDP, on the basis of high potential for abuse, and potential risk

    to public health and safety. The Schedule 9 amendment was included in SUSDP 16

    Amendment No 4, which came into effect in State and Territory law on 1 June 2002.

    DISCUSSION

    The Committee was informed that the Therapeutic Goods Administration had received

    representations on Salvia divinorum from the media, who quoted extensively from a

    paper written by XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX was advised by the

    Secretariat that consideration of his paper would not be within the formal processes

    required for consideration of scheduling proposals but nonetheless, the Chair of NDPSC

    had requested that his paper be provided to the October 2002 Meeting. The Secretariat

    also indicated that XXXXXXXXXXXXXX had not responded to a previous invitation to

    make a formal submission to the Committee with regard to the scheduling of Salvia

    divinorum and salvinorin A.

    The Committee noted XXXXXXXXXXXXXX 's paper and in particular the following

    points:

    • Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A became prohibited substances in Australia on

    1 June 2002, whilst remaining freely available elsewhere in the world.

    • Inadequate public consultation and lack of evidence to support the decision to include

    Salvia divinorum and Salvinorin A in Schedule 9 of the SUSDP.

    • The scheduling of Salvia divinorum would place a heavy financial and regulatory

    burden on Australian researchers.

    • The systematic chemical name for salvinorin A appearing in Schedule 9 the SUSDP

    is in error.

    Members highlighted that there is considerable published literature on Salvia divinorum

    and salvinorin A, which indicates that the herb is being used as a recreational

    hallucinogen and supports the Committee’s previous decision to include Salvia divinorum

    and salvinorin A in Schedule 9 of the SUSDP. In particular, it was noted that a case

    study (Hanes KR, 2001, Antidepressant Effects of the Herb Salvia divinorum: A Case

    Report. J Clin Psychopharmacol 21; 634-635) stated that:

    “Ms G volunteered that she also benefited from occasional intoxicating oral doses of

    Salvia divinorum, consisting of from 8-16 leaves of the herb (approximately 2 to 4

    grams), claiming that this herb had engendered a kind of ‘psychospiritual’ awakening,

    characterized by the discovery of the depth of her sense of self, greater self-confidence,

    increased feelings of intuitive wisdom and ‘connectedness to nature’.”

    Members noted that XXXXXXXXXXXXXX had claimed inclusion of Salvia divinorum

    and salvinorin A in Schedule 9 would inhibit further Australian research into the

    therapeutic potential of the herb. It was pointed out that all Jurisdictions had provisions

    within their legislation whereby Schedule 9 substances could be made available when

    required for medical research, or for analytical, teaching or training purposes with

    approval of Commonwealth and/or State or Territory Health Authorities. A Member

    advised that XXXXXXXXXXXXXX is currently working under the auspices of a

    Department of XXXXXXXXXXXXXX that holds a permit to obtain and possess but not

    to resell any substance in Schedule 9, including Salvia divinorum.

    The Committee was advised that the chemical name for salvinorin A specified in S9 of

    the SUSDP appeared to be incorrect. Members were informed that the Chemical

    Abstract Service (CAS) Registry No for salvinorin A was 83729-01-5 and the name listed

    in the 9th Chemical Index was:

    2H-Naphtho[2,1-c]pyran-7-carboxylic acid, 9-(acetyloxy)-2- (3-furanyl)dodecahydro-6a,

    10b-dimethyl-4, 10-dioxo-, methyl ester, (2S, 4aR, 6aR, 7R, 9S, 10aS, 10bR)-(9CI)

    The Committee agreed to adopt the elements of the CA Index name for salvinorin A with

    appropriate modification to conform to SUSDP naming conventions.

    OUTCOME

    The Committee agreed to make an editorial amendment to the systematic name for

    salvinorin A in Schedule 9 of the SUSDP to reflect the nomenclature specified in the

    CAS Registry.

    Schedule 9 – Editorial amendment

    8-METHOXYCARBONYL-4A,8A-DIMETHYL-6-ACETOXY- 5-KETO-

    3,4,4B,7,9,10,10A-SEPTAHYDRO-3-(4-FURANYL)- 2,1-NAPHTHO[4,3-

    E]PYRONE *(SALVINORIN A) – correct entry to read:

    METHYL (2S, 4aR, 6aR, 7R, 9S, 10aS, 10bR)-9-ACETOXY-6a,10b-DIMETHYL-4,10-

    DIOXO-DODECAHYDRO-2-(3-FURYL)-2H-NAPHTHO[2,1-c]PYRAN-7-

    CARBOXYLATE *(SALVINORIN A).

    Secretariat Note: The Secretariat has become aware that Congressman Joe Baca

    introduced a bill (HR 5607) into the United States (US) House of Representatives on

    10 October 2002. The “Hallucinogen Control Act of 2002 - Amends the Controlled

    Substances Act to add any material, compound mixture, or preparation which contains

    salvinorin A or Salvia divinorum to Schedule I (drugs or other substances with a high

    potential for abuse, with no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the US, and

    with respect to which there is a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision)

    unless specifically exempted or listed in another schedule.”

    End.---(To sum it up to anyone who cant be bothered reading it all, its total shit.)

    K,so apart from the last 1 the other 2 are pretty short, but this shits me. Most of that is written there should back the legalization argument of it and the people who were is charge should be charged with negligence at work for not properly researching everything.

    Anyway, So what im getting at is what can we do 5/6 years on with the extra knowledge about it proving its harmlessness? and is there a legalization crew for it? I may have missed some pages before when i was looking for australian pro sally sites, but i found none. What can petitions do? or is their any way of submitting something to someone (that can help) about re-legalizing it?

    And im not just talking salvia.. i mean we need to fix the wrong with the kava situation, the kratom, the looming cactus situation up in NSW and/or Queensland, and most recently the Qat battle that will lay ahead (im sure i missed some), but no plants should be left behind!.

    Sorry for the long post but yea, what can be realistically done to stop and even reverse some of these ridicules bans?

    (Main point of the thread)

    Peace

  16. Posted

    I get what your saying sublime, but i wouldent go as far as calling it propaganda. Batman has been around since like the 1930s

    Movies are movies. the product of the writers imagination/interpretation and opinions of the world as such.

    Say a hardcore conservative And a hardcore liberal made a movie/documentary each about the war on terror (or any subject),

    On one hand, the conservative would be pushing his/her believe system Ie. terrorists are bad and the war is a just war that must be won (insert video clip of terror attacks)

    While the liberal would be pushing his/her believes that the war is bollox, its all based on money and throw in some history from decades ago and of course have a few videos of injured civilians crying and covered in blood, with the sad music in the background for good measure.

    Im not saying propaganda isent present, but im not sure if the government had a hand in all things, or if the people making the programs/movies are just pushing their own opinions.

    Anyways, like i said b4, i notice these things all the time, more recently being about "staying the course" type stuff in action movies and stuff like that, So yea, i agree with you, but i dont know to what extent such things have on people

    Ill start downloading dark knight and see if i pick up anything thats absurdly obvious.

  19. Posted · Edited by Jesus On Peyote

    AH, just did a quick search, as i thought anyone who hasent watched the movie might want to hear it as a little introspective thought from the great man mind.

    All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create...a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody-or at least some force-is tending the Light at the end of the tunnel.

    From the Great one.

  20. Posted

    Lol yea that line kicks ass, i always seem to use it in strange situations where noone gets it, makes me look weird..but its worth it :)

    Yea i think i know the one, about timothy leary's flaw,going around selling mind expansion pills for 3 dollars a pop, it goes on but yea, i find that depressing too.

    The other one earlier in the movie tho is great, where it has flashbacks of the 60s, kind of inspiring, but also depressing too as that feeling hes talking about is no longer with us these days.

  22. Posted

    Iv read alot about CO2 helping with marijuana growth, iv got no idea on how its administrated, dosed or what tools you can use to monitor the Co2 levels, but im sure ittle be the same for most if not all other plants.

    So yea, co2 does play a role in plant growth, but to what extent and how its monitored is beyond me.

  23. Posted

    Cools Niall,

    Im not sure what would be the best course of action on releasing the information, but if possible try and release as much information as possible before your appearance so the people know abit more about what they are supporting, unless you've been advised not to. Just im thinking the more people know about it, the better ittle be in terms of support and contributions.

    Anyway.. again ,best of luck

  24. Posted

    Cools, cant wait to get my hands on a copy.

    Thanks Bap, probably one of the better links you've posted :)

    Breakfast with Hunter S Thompson iv seen a while ago, but cant remember it as i was.. well i was making Thompson proud and ended up falling asleep pretty early into it. The life and work of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson sounds like ittle be well worth the watch.

    Thanks again

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