John Smith

I was amused to read that in pleading guilty his lawyer said the substances were for treatment of andisclosed medical condition. I wonder if the condition is called ageing?

I'd say I am about as straight as they come. If blokes were more like girls instead of like blokes perhaps I could imagine myself straying Seriously though, I saw a documentary a while ago about identifying very young children that are likely to be homosexual. Basically, they would look for particular gestures & behaviour while watching the subject (as I recall) on black & white video with no sound, so as to help focus on the traits they were looking for. I could have that slightly wrong but it was certainly something along those those lines. In the examples they showed it was quite obvious that the were onto something. I did not find it surprising at all. For many years I have agreed with the assertion by many homosexuals that in the majority of cases they are born physically/psycoholically different and that it is not due to environmental & unbringing type factors. I find it hard to believe that people still debate this issue. In most case I think even blind Freddy could observe the mannerisms, body langue, speech etc etc and quickly identify someone who is gay. In many cases they really do look a little different. To me there is no doubt most are born that way. IMO, identifying lesbians in many cases is possibly not so easy although in the case of the "stero-typical lesbian", they often have very masculine characteristics. This is clearly not something that results from lifestyle choices or upbringing etc. Not really helping the original poster but sort of relevant.

Lets hope not otherwise we'll soon see forum rage. Make a post in front of someone who types a bit slower and you might get beaten up.

By whizzer you mean speed I assume. Some years ago a mate & I bought a gram of speed to make the drive across the Nullabor more interesting. I'd had speed quite a few times and quite liked it. I ate some about 11 hours out of Adelaide as I recall. Mate didn't want some because he said the past few times he tried it (different batch) he said he felt a bit crook. Anyway, I started enjoying myself so he said fuckit, give me some. I did, and shortly after I became violently ill, unimaginably bad headache and non-stop vomiting. I kept drinking water and immediately throwing it up (it didn't hurt as much as when i had nothing to thorw up). I truly thought I was going to die. My mate stopped at the first road house and asked where the nearest doctor was - about 160km as I recall. Luckily I started coming good shortly before we got there (so we just kept going). The mate I was travelling with and another later in Perth finished off the bag of speed with no ill effects. I have never touched it since. At least something positive did come from this awful experience. My point in relating this story is that you just don't know how someone else might react. Imagine if the person you had given the speed to without their knowledge had a similar reaction, or worse. If that happened to me I'd make sure the person wasn't capable of doing it again to anyone else. Even when I provide things to my friends I always remind them of the risks beforehand because I don't want anything bad on my consience.

Torsten would you please consider splitting this topic. I apologise for my severely off topic contribution but it seems there might be some interest in further discussion (maybe we can overthrow the governement ). I was going to suggest which posts to split (to save you time) but after reading I'm not so sure which ones as many touch on the theme of drum laws & scheduling etc...

Nah, it is because a small block of dry ice makes a HUGE volume of CO2 gas. Just about any PET bottle will do, even a 600ml MT Franklin spring water bottle. The water just makes the dry ice melt faster. I've seen a dry ice bomb put into a homemade tool used for banging steel star pickets into the ground (a bit of very heavy steel pipe with a plate on one end and two big handles each side). Following the dry ice bomb, a pig melon was put into the pipe. It was then pointed at a various objects (incly an old car, an old style port-a-loo made from heavy duty steel angle & galv steel sheeting). The result was quite unbelievable. It made those spud guns (the kind that shoot whole spuds) look like pea shooters. Just for the record, these acts were not carried out by irresponsible little kiddes, but rather mid 30-ish irresponsible othwerwise sensible people In Perth, Kalamunda Ice was (and probably still is) the place to get dry ice. Cheap, fairly lage blocks and no questions.

Last time I checked, dry ice was readily available in Perth. Uses I have witnessed include keeping icreams frozen for a kids function in a park and for making dry ice bombs

You do mean for possession rather than importation? I heard only today from a fairly reliable source that 20 or 30 ml bottles are available in Oz (at a fairly high cost mind you)

I am reliably informed that if a few weeks ago one was to have carelessly scattered the leftovers of a poppy seed wash on the surface of some fairly ordinary dirt one could now have shitloads of healthy looking seedlings.

This will in effect segregate people and label people I wasn't suggesting the licences be tattooed on recipients foreheads . I would certainly he happy to be "labelled" as eductated about the risks of and authorised to purchase substances of my choice, rather than the current alternative of being labelled a criminal (not to mention the risks of fines, prison, forfeiture of assets etc etc). No one will want to buy a license, making people want to buy off a dealer even more, especially if they loose their right to health insurance, how silly! Forfeiture of publicly funded health insurance isn't integral to the jist of what I was suggesting. I included that to prempt likely(?) concerns by the majority of taxpayers about subsidising the cost of any necessary treatment for a minority who may have contributed to their condition thru their recreational pursuits. Obviously there are other options such as recovery of added healthcare costs thru the taxes applied to the substances. You will probably get people making stuff at home to avoid all these administrative hassles which may result in more fatal OD's I suspect most people would not have the skills or equipment to manufacture many of the substances involved. My suggestion was that the penalties for this sort of thing would be increased, so why would most sane people take the risk if you could get a licence quickly and easily and then attend a one time education session on the specific substance? What about the "administrative hassles" of getting busted in this time of prohibition? The government will never be able to control all aspects of manufacture and distribution it is impossible, especially if they are charging huge amounts of money and tax on their products I have no idea of the facts here, but I would imagine that there would be more than an ounce of tobacco in a typical packet of cigarettes. I suspect production costs of tobacco and cannabis would not differ greatly. How much is a packet of cigarettes compared with an ounce of black market cannabis produced and sold under the current circumstances? And how much of that is tax?! I realise that this example would not necessarily be indicative of the whole spectrum of substances we are talking about but I have no doubt the government could produce the majority of the most popular substances and sell them for less than current "prohibition prices", all while making a huge profit. Not to mention the assurance of the highest purity. Precursors for all will be more readily available because the government is now importing everything it needs to manufacture here (shit will go missing, its human nature) Quite likely but does this potential risk outweigh the potential benefits of ending prohibition? Given the increased penalties, reduced market prices and ready availability of high purity, legally available substances, I doubt too many people would be silly enough anyway. How do you seperate between a plant and a drug Mr Spock?, as many drugs are direct products of the plant? Don't know. My proposal obviously isn't ready to be incorporated into legislation just yet. Stuff like this has to start somewhere and no doubt there there would be many details to be ironed out. I take it you don't agree with the recreational use of plants either I am certainly not against a responsible and informed individual having the right to take drugs or grow any plant. Among other things, I take great exception to the governments decree that I may not grow cannabis plants at my home for my own use. I wouldn't be here if I didn't agree with the recreational use of plants. ...none of us will be able to enjoy our hobby without the risk of getting executed That was only for people who supply to children, and even then probably not for the first offence. Well I have been just a little bit critical of your idea, It gives the government an awful amount of power over the people, no one group should have a monopoly on anything and people should not have their civil liberties impinged in such a way How would you describe the current situation where the government has decreed you are a criminal if you ingest what are sometimes naturally ocurring substances? The right to kick down your door, fine you, imprison you and seize your assets seems like a lot of power and infringement of civil liberties to me. -------------------- I don't mean to be argumentative, it is just that I have not previously encountered a response such as yours (despite other negative responses) and I wonder if perhaps I did not get the general idea across clearly. Whatever the case, there has got to be a much, much better option than the current situation where we taxpayers pay lots & lots of money to employ police, judges, prison guards etc (as well as all the associated infrastructure), for the purpose of making criminals of decent and productive members of society - People who in most cases will continue to indulge in their "evil" activities. Not to mention all of the related costs such as increased insurance premiums etc. The only winners in the current arrangement are drug dealers & pharmaceutical companies. I've heard it said many times that drug use should be a health issue and not a law & order issue. It makes good sense to me. Shit is never gonna change unless the majority of people come to understand the overwhelmingly negative results of prohibition. Sorry for making two really long posts. I post here & there but never normally such long & involved posts. Obviously this is one issue I am very passionate about.

I like BB, especially the girlies. Nice selection this year. I hate Home & Away - except for the hot blonde chick that is getting fucked over by her sister (heh, thats all I know about it - my missus watches it when she can)

So, anyone know any chemists or custom synth labs in WA that might do odd (legal) jobs???

Based on my limited knowledge of life in Singapore I'd say it is probably due to the zero tolerance approach to most unlawful activities there. It's citizens compliant behaviour becomes entrenched from an early age. Although it has a lot going for it, I'm not sure that the benefits positives outweigh the negatives. Prohibition would be largely effective anywhere if regular mandatory drug testing and harsh penalties were applied but who would want to live in a society like that? I have very stong opinions on our drug laws. Below is a copy & paste of a post I made elsewhere a while back. It is fairly crudely worded (I didn't put much time into it, but you will get the jist). It is also long but if you take the time to read it I'd love to hear your thoughts (sorry if this is considered off topic, but it it seems to me to be the direction this thread has taken):

What you say earthling?! You had the meet without me and...??? I'd love to come to the next one. Please. I'll bring the Milo.

Sounds like our meet will be great fun! Or not. More interest from eastern staters than Perthies. What's wrong with us???

Damn. If my favorite variety of sage could be propogated by seed I reckon I'd take it on even if I had no prospect of orders I see someone has tried to arrange a Perth meet too - and there has been about 3 expressions of interest and you have had 5 or 6 orders in a year What's wrong with Perth people???

Sorry, double post and no delete function

Hmm, so maybe the other Perth members don't like Milo? What if I volunteer to bring beer?

Ewe made some baa-aad jokes there. Frankensheep? Could have some interesting possibilities in New Zealand Seriously, I think most of us would be prepared to overlook our moral or ethical objections to save the life of a child, but is this real a path we should be heading down. It sounds pretty scary to me.

G'day guys & gals, This is my first post. I have been trying to reply to this topic all week but had to wait to be activated. I love Milo and would be happy to bring the milk. At htis stage I probably don't have much to contribute having really only had a great deal of first hand experince with one type of plant. I am very interested in a related field and I hope to learn more about ethnos too. It would be nice if there were more people responding to this idea...