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This is for a couple of people including amazonian (sorry didn't want to hijack sallyd's thread), yeah amz, people did have success with the seed batch that went around, more or less 100% for me.
These are old photos and not the best pics but is something, have a good one.
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So it happend within the last 3 weeks since your last 30ft prune?
I'd chase the neighbours up specifically about where and who was working there, if they saw anything etc, any info on where you could pin point it within a workable timeframe. Even just get all the tradies numbers and call them reporting the issue, no accusations, firm succinct inquiries.
Tradies who steal will deny, and if the boss is an arsehole they will all defend each other violently, but an honest boss or worker is all you need to let the other pieces fall in place.
fucking pricks, don't realise the stress and constant shoulder looking they cause.
ihb2444, snu had a heavy fat spiny as terscheckiioid taken over a moth ago. no hard and fast rules, just arseholes and their variations.
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Thanks for everyones replies,
pricks! I hope they get some serious spine infection and their thiefing fingers drop off.
Are the above the only ones that got nicked or others too?
I was with Snu at one of the arizona trips so might have some of them and we also traded some later. But I've got so many different strains I would need a bit more info to work out what's what. even just the arizona ones I bought bootloads full of different strains on about 10 different trips. he'd certainly be welcome to any I have.
Hi T, as far as i'm aware it's the 3 plants in the photo, plus the Psycho0, Scop and Super Pedro, There were 'other non-descipt' cuts taken of which numbers i'm unsure of, but a bit difficult to document and describe for people to be on the lookout for i guess, the main mentioned ones are the stand outs.
super pedro isn't exactly rare around here but i'll put my hand up and send a big fat tip if so desired.....
is plant 3 a sausage plant? i can send a tip of that too if you want
Nah it's not the sausage plant, to me it's leans towards more a PC hybrid, but all guesses.
most ehno folk would probably give them plants , cuttings , and material ; and perhaps some advice and knowledge as well - if they knocked on the door , said " hello " and introduced themselves , and simply asked for what they wanted
That's part of the frustration of this situation, Snu has thought along very similar lines.
What I don't understand is why cut them down to soil level? Why not cut half and leave the rest there... nasty selfish malicious behaviour.
If they simply step a foot onto private land knowingly without permission their morals are zilch IMO, anything else that follows is simply a disrespectful low life being a disrespectful low life. The mentality is more prevalant in society than i've cared to acknowledge in previous years, but to me now, is far too obvious and prevelant to ignore, particularly in normal everyday folk we have to work and deal with.
Thanks to everyone for the cutting offers, I will pass along the thoughts soon (my email isn't functioning too well and i've got too much going on at the moment) and we might be able to work something out when it's a bit warmer in the coming months.
It would just be nice if the culprits were caught red handed and made accountable for their actions.
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Removed now, but that 'psycho0' cut was a bridgesii from cactus land, from me, to interbeing, to you i'm pretty sure. Sorta short red spined bridge. I just label it as cactus land bridgesii in my collection.
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A couple of weeks ago, one or more people came into Snu Voogelbreinder's garden (in Victoria) during the night and stole various cactus, hacking them down and snapping / splitting them to soil level.
Due to the time of year, cold, wet, slow growth, it is unknown if what is left of the plants will survive.
Some of these plants had been acquired a fair while ago from the old Arizona nursery in NSW and also Gardenworld, and had been growing with Snu for quite some time, in his experience there were some unique individuals in the collection that he hadn't really seen elsewhere, and these are particularly the plants he would like to get back into his collection.
If anyone knows anything about this, please get in touch with Snu via his garden of eden book site or myself and I will pass the information along. It would also be appreciated if anyone could keep an ear/eye out and pass the word around in your collecting circles.
The general species were:
Psycho0 (bridgesii(oid)),
Super Pedro (Cordobensis/Spiny Scop),
T. scopulicola (yellowing a bit, needs a feed),
some other non-descript cuts,
and 3 trich's in the following pictures, which were larger than what the old photos show (these are the main plants of value, but it's the first 2 plants he would mainly like to recover)
plant 1 - (possibly a terscheckii??, it has rot damage on one side)
plant 2
(not sure if this is yowie, or another similar but unique pachanoi)
plant 3
(This one had the most bulk out of the stolen bunch, so the thieves have a fair bit of this compared to the others)
Thanks very much, any direction is appreciated.
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wooh apoth good to see ya round talkin all planty and stuff. Great point on the NFB.
So was in humidity and doing fine under 110w fluro at 30cm, then taken out of humidity at same wattage and distance and then the following is happening?
Maybe it is just humidity shock like dale mentioned and possibly a lack of N from them using up reserves?
Whatchya reckon kada? If light intensity hasn't changed, wouldn't it be leaning more toward a humidity shock issue, then possibly if not just humidity, yellowing and seedling leaf dieback from N deficiency? Though the lack of leaf opening possibly influenced from light intensity or humidity / both?
plant illness does my head in, one symptom could be caused by a range of possibilities, but it's really rewarding to figure out whats going on, but net diagnosis needs as much info as possible!
nah man not saying you did everything wrong jebus, people often have success with methods that i fail at and vice versa. Out of interest and for our info what soil mix did you actually use?
cmon plant docs chime in!!
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cheers for the info gunter, something for me to think about :D
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ah cheers for that, will have a look into that mob, i'm surprised that there isn't a wide availability in melbourne given our volcanic plains in the west, i assume on the farms that get the rock rollers in, they just crush the rocks in situ and feed back into the soil. But it's frustrating, the garden shows crap on about trace elements and rock dust, yet everywhere i ask i just get blank stares, then rarely if you find a source for something it's overpriced and in ridiculous small quantity.
I'm about to trial mycoapply maxx, WA source, it's really quite cheap if used appropriately (well so my theory goes) will probably be sending out some small samples soon, just waiting on some seed to arrive to accompany it.
On top of all that, if not home made, biochar would be up there too, again commercial sources i've seen are small and overpriced, best off get getting a permit for a suburban backyard burn which is on the cards eventually.
agree with the synthetics, i try to get natural mineral based products and organic based, but often realise they are probably chemically treated in processing or have a part of natural elements with synthetic additives, advertising is funny 'based' is a very deceptive word even though it's clear that it could have anything else in it when you think about it, it's difficult to keep up with it all and or get reliable info from suppliers, even if the chemicals are natural, sorta like glutamates additive in food, natural source but unnatural proportions and processing. I try my best though. Often my education is lacking though so i can fool myself. Even 'certified' organic can be quite deceptive, our classification can be quite silly from what i've heard about some of the rulings.
Thanks for the direction with the rock dust.
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trichs: sulphate of potash, blood n bone, dolomite lime, gypsum, compost teas (incl. microbial mixes incl. humic/fulvic acids, am finding gogo juice to be quite good), manures, worm farm liquids / castings, liquid feeds of fish emulsions and seaweeds, sometimes some mineral based liquid fert, whatever i feel like and is handy.
I've been trying to source rock dust for years for topical and soil mixes, just can't seem to find a source, due to go to a rural farm supply so will be trying then.
Just moving into mycorrhizal inoculants, particularly planned for seedlings, though also will water into mature plants. This will reduce need for ferts even more.
Don't really need much quantity wise small amounts go a long way, diversity is good, just aim to get the soil healthy, feed at appropriate times and everything works well. If you feed too much, you'll just end up salting up the medium and flushing out excess, wasting your time and money.
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yeah looks like the culprit the lophocereus, i came across it recently but still thought there could have been a bridge monstrose version, memory was from a europe or yank forum years ago when they had the three clones together claiming all bridge, but seems likely it was a mix up.
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re acacia, smaller than the MH pictured, def not a lack of light, definitely a good thing the lower leaves dieing off in your explanation kada, using up reserves and no use for em.
I tend to agree with the burn marks, esp with the evident yellow stress and crispy look.
cheers JS, keep seeing people using the jiffy, they are a neat idea, should trial some one day but too happy with seed mix and combos. Prob. don't have to feed em if they are just repotted, often it can cause more issues if it isn't actually the remedy needed, probably just taking a bit to get adjusted as the rest look quite healthy. I really like the environment posted, people can learn a lot from it, really communicates bright lit but not full sun, fresh and functional.
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some very good points already posted.
I'm having a similar problem with the lower leaves browning off on some acacia and some general unhappiness, i had to bring some in due to cold wet weather for a few days, my situation i think is too heavy a soil that is holding too much moisture, Fluoros can be good, but if soil is too heavy and damp with seedlings, the lights can struggle to create adequate wet dry cycles, the top will dry but there is not enough root system to suck subsurface moisture out, which can lead to constantly wet almost anaerobic soil and therefore poor root development. So long intervals between watering is beneficial, but keep an eye out as you dont want it too dry.
Yellowing and browning off of the lower leaf tips can be a sign of overwatering / soggy soil / bad root condition, it's an odd browning and plant decay, kinda soft and pliable with sickness / lack of cell plumpness in the yellow bits that the brown continues into.
It's hard to tell, but your soil doesn't look overly appropriate for seedlings, quite large chunk pine bark which can almost compact and hold too much moisture, seedlings are best with a free draining small particle not too rich compost like mix. Not saying dig them up, but something to think about for next time. The soil can also cause nitrogen issues which is why they often pump it with fertiliser, i've ranted about the poor quality of bag mixes recently, producers should be disgusted in themselves imo.
I think a really detailed soil thread is in order one of these days, it's a really confusing topic that i'm still learning myself after a good decade plus of plant work, and can be really offputting for anyone new or old trying to get plants growing, might try get some notes together and put one up over the next few months...possibly
I reckon it could be potentially a combination of all three things of the posts here. Stress, light burn/intensity and bad root condtions.
just saw your JS, looking good, nice fresh healthy atmosphere, besides the seed mix and jiffy pellet, did you start any in that heavy pine bark or are they transplants?
Seed mix one looks a little hungry, are jiffy pellets nutritious?
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just want to say thanks again for all the support at the funeral and the lovely plant meet on Sunday, it was also really great to see interstaters on the thursday especially given the tricky travel conditions, sure brightened a difficult occasion, I got a bit carried away with normal plant talk on Sunday but at the same time was nice to chat to Adrians dad, just a bit embarrassed i didn't introduce myself to his mum when i had the chance, though i'm sure she understood and we shared the odd smile.
I can really understand Adrians passions from learning more about his family, his folks certainly created a lovely person and would have been hard to not have an interest in the natural world given his constant surroundings.
Big appreciation to Ronny and J for always getting things organised and moving! (sorry for leaving a bit early and not helping with the cleanup!!!)
Still hard to believe this is all still reality though, kinda expect a late arrival in the gardens, you'll always be missed fella.
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eh but but 3 inchers take too long to get established i reckon, or more so pups are small and slow ime. I reckon 6 inchers are the minimum, with about 3" thick preferably.
I don't understand the first post though, first one arm, then two? it's a one armed pup coming from a stump that is cut just above the start of the 10" pup? or it's a stump with 2 pups, one cut back to a stump on the stump and a 10" from the main stump?
Sounds like a small plant, i'd leave the whole thing, give it good root space, good soil and pump it with nutes and water. Else cut the 10" either flush, or as bz said cut it back to a bit of a stump.
If you cut the whole thing back to stump with bugger all photosynthetic capability, it can take a while to reshoot, then it can either do small amount of pupping, or sometimes will throw out a crown of them. a 1" high stump really will take a while to get back into the swing of things, but has the potential to pup profusely. But another issue is the pups on such a small stump can screw with the stability of the pots if the soil mix isn't weighty (lack of centre of gravity?) I've had it happen in perlite/cow manure mixes, outer weights coming from a central 1-2" stump = unstable pot.
I reckon don't obsess with trying to get maximum pups, just get the plant big and healthy and it'll pup, then prop it if you want, it wants to grow, not be chowed to ground level.
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ah found it! been searching under macro seed, but it was macro seed i was trying that was 'dud'!
Seed long gone now unless someone has some stashed, so trial can't really be done, i recall it was around 3/1000 germination.
Thought this is worth bringing back up, surprised no comment, was speaking about this at the recent meet regarding poor germination in a year (or 2-3?) old icaro peruvianus seed and told them of your thoughts / method with sunlight exposure, possibly cool warm, wet dry cycles etc.
What are your thoughts on viability times over years in tricho's gunter?
Or should i ask, what is the oldest known batch of tricho seed people have had success in germinating?
I've wondered over the years about tricho seed dormancy, looking under a 10x loupe seems like it'd be a hard nut to crack, pondered on dormancy mechanisms, especially given the size of the seed, i've sorta had a feeling they are similar to acacia in many ways, easy as fresh, harder as older, possibly ant candy, germinating with disturbance in appropriate conditions (like most seed i guess, but differences across the plant world eh)
I did try leaching methods in tap water on older known viable seed, fairly pointless, very undisciplined test, aimed for leaching then just seeing if they'd crack underwater, changed and flushed over a couple of weeks like Sceletium, but can't for the life of me remember where they were sown or what i did with them. I don't think they did crack under water.
Anyway always found this post interesting and has been on my mind for a while, think there is something to it.
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would be good to see you jabez :D
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yeah i wasnt sure whether a brigdesii pup had been grafted onto this plant, seems strange that one segment is ribbed with spines and the other segemnt are smooth, but i guess if it is a TBM then it is a mixture right?
HAH i had the same thought re:graft, when i got my first one as a youngsta, embarrassingly held my ground thinking i knew my shit and was put into line by some of the knowledgable folk. I still cringe about it to this day
AFAIK the tbm clones in circulation where a result of mass seed sowing and finding a unique seedling in the batch, not sure if the oz one was sown in oz and is unique to the overseas ones, or if it's an imported clone back in the day, ditto with overseas, not sure if the lumping of clones into a / b / hulk (?) etc are similar and multiple seed growns or if there are only say 2 (or 3) genetic lines. 3 i mean, i can't remember if hulk was lumped into an a or b, or if it was distinct all together.
I reckon gunter and kt would know a bit more about em, ey fellas?
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we've only got the one clumper type in aus as far as i'm aware, it does elongate into long penis tips with no spines, with usually spines at the base of them which you can see. The spination and smooth parts are just how it grows, normal tbm.
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i thought as much, hard to tell amount of seriousness mixed in with jokes, musta been a slow day with the bonsai ey
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don't know if you are actualy asking, or if it's just the m3th joke,
edit irrelevant.
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no really an issue, but if people are interested, daylight savings starts on sun 2nd oct, clocks forward 1 hr at 2am.
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haha that's a good one amazonian, you make a me laff
sorry to derail the trade thread,
heres some links for you OPP
Quarantine Icon Database
http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/homecontent.asp
Customs and other info (links within it)
http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14161
it is all very confusing, T has put a lot of work into trying to understand and to communicate it, but still it can be confusing, those threads are locked, but as he has stated, feel free to open up other discussion threads regarding them.
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Does the Pacific or Grand Hound's Tongue occur as a weed in the ranges outside Melbourne? The pastal blue flowers are amazing...
It's more so a question of what doesn't occur in the dandenongs, without looking up the hounds toungue info besides quick scout of flowers, you might be looking at forget me nots, Myosotis sylvatica, they are everywhere up there.
Try to supply botanical names zen, it saves people a lot of chasing around for the info.
Same family afaik, possibly a synonym but haven't looked it up.
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I don't understand what you mean especially re: before t's post.
If you follow the link I provided, and look two posts up (#9) from your post yesterday (#11) (in the link provided) you will find the post where T states (in august) customs and quarantine import information re spores.
this is doing my head in, over and out.
High Resolution Acacia photos - Need ID
in Australian Native Plants
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You're probably looking at
A. myrtifolia
A. melanoxylon or implexa
A, longifolia
A. howitii (little hesitant, photos are deceptive, could be a number of things, variability etc. could tell in person, that's not an offer btw ;) )