paradox

it's cool man i don't have any issue with anything i have read that you have said. i'm not sure what mathematical parallels you mean, the laws of physics which govern the quantum universe couldn't be more different from those that govern the solar system. are you referring to some mathematics regarding the fractal nature of the universe on multiple (possibly infinite) levels of scale?

that is an interesting way to think about a possibly infinite universe. but what do interesting ponderances like this have to do with the earth being flat? maybe we are just figments of somethings dream. maybe the entire universe is just the internal structure of our own consciousness & we are walking around inside our own heads. maybe our solar system is an atom in the brain of some universal consciousness. maybe the entire universe is a simulation maybe a lot of things. existence is a very weird thing. but what does any of that have to do with the earth being flat & how does anything like that substantiate flat earth as an idea worth pursuing? even if the entire physical universe is nothing but a complete illusory figment of our mind. what does any of that have to do with the earth being flat?

well it is technically a statement, he has stated that in his opinion what you said is bullshit. he's just being honest with you. there is so much to substantiate his view that flat earth idea is not a very relevant topic to discuss. overwhelmingly, ridiculously so.. yet there is basically nothing whatsoever to substantiate the idea that the earth is flat. So if you are saying the idea is not a crock of shit, the onus is on you to substantiate why it is not a crock of shit & you or anyone else has not even come close to doing that. It's no one elses responsibility to educate you on something you're ignorant about. unless you are just saying that it's relevant to discuss from a purely sociological perspective then maybe you would have a bit of a point. it's fascinating how ignorance can propagate en mass this way. It's just another symptom of the strange social experiments going on in this day and age as we try to figure out a social landscape which transforms quicker than we can begin to comprehend.

dude, it's become prevalent because there are billions of humans on this planet and a lot of them are not particularly smart & the internet allows ignorance to be very loudly broadcast. with the nature of this society being what it is (do i really need to elaborate?) is it any wonder that most people don't know diddly squat about earth science? most people don't even know where their food comes from

do you mean the 6th turtle down?

that is great, i think he has very neatly summed up the level this 'debate' is on

exactly bro, thats the only reason i ever commented in this thread and don't worry man, i don't think you're having a dig at me, i don't take this discussion personally, it's just funny is all good man, i just don't think a discussion is all that analogous to war, it's a discussion, which is a positive thing & i think it's a mistake to be too sensitive about words. i think it's also a mistake to be too politically correct in the use of our words.. having a little passion doesn't mean it has to be personal or driven by disdain

why is it that people think that any actual real discussion about something is a war? it's a discussion, no need to take anything to heart... a good discussion is a good thing, even if it is a discussion about why the discussion is stupid haha

i get you zedo, you make good points & i feel your sentiment... you brought up something i said, so i guess i will explain that in the last post (edit: its actually the 4th last post) i made in this thread i addressed exactly what you are saying here ^ & why i think that this is a very pertinent aspect to any debate about 'reality' but that i think using that point to back up the flat earth idea is a completely false argument. if you say the sky isn't blue, which from the perspective of this point you are making, could be a very valid argument as it is relative, then that is all well and good, but if you use this argument to then go on to say that the sky is not blue, it's actually a cheeseburger, then the point you are making kind of falls apart no? do you see what i am saying? it would definitely hold up better if that point was being used to explain why the earth may not be the way science has described it, but becomes ridiculous when you then insert a totally made up theory with almost nothing to back it up. i think for this reason it is not unfair to call this debate stupid and retarded as it is a false debate. do you get what i am saying? i am not saying that it is stupid and retarded to question reality and discuss alternative ideas and realize that reality is subjective and produced by your own consciousness, i'm not even saying its stupid to come up with wacky ideas to replace good ideas, i'm saying it's stupid to exhaustively discuss an extremely good idea alongside a profoundly badly thought through idea as though those ides are equal.

hardly much of a drama dude, i'm happy he's around too, have no major problem, i just called him out for being a noisy hypocrite. to me that is a show of respect, even if you can't understand that

mate every thread i have seen you post in you have trolled it with your walls of pointless posts. this forum isn't a chat room for you fill up with empty garbage. One of the reasons the quality of content has gone so far down hill in recent years is that the vast majority of content is from annoying tools like yourself. i can appreciate your enthusiasm but someone has to tell you. i never even intended to be rude to you, you're just a bit thick and now its at the point i consider trolling you a community service

you honestly don't have a life do you? is that why you come to a great forum like this and spam it with your pointless garbage or is it just because you are a prick?

didn't you just say that I seem like a smug, arrogant wanker? It's taken that fella 6 years to get to 1000 posts of his convoluted poetry, how did you manage to babble your way to nearly 500 mostly pointless posts in 6 months without being picked up?

some species of passiflora?

Wish that bloke was still around

Honestly dude, I don't mean this to be offensive, we all have things we are into & know stuff about and vice versa but that post pretty neatly demonstrates why flat earth has become so popular

the cardinal directions are not places, they are relative terms

the actual logic behind flat earth is non existent. the reason there is no east and west pole is because the earth spins in that direction bro, think about it... you seem like a great guy skellum but you're being a little daft.. which is not that strange in a thread called 'the flat earth debate' but still

i very much agree with what you are getting at here bardo. everything we perceive is a holographic projection occurring in our consciousness. Everything we have ever experienced & ever will experience is such, even if the physical universe outside of us really is a lot like it seems to our senses, the closest we will ever come to it is through this projected representative model of it that is a product of our consciousness. Hallucination & 'real life' are not necessarily different things at all. This is a large part of the basis of most spiritual traditions that seek to transcend the illusion of a mind-created universe we are trapped within. i think it's one of the most fundamental aspects of the weirdness of existence & i have been pondering this pretty much since i was a small child. in my opinion, the point, when it comes to this kind of discussion, is that this is not a 'debate', either you have had some insight into the illusory nature of our own perceptions or you haven't.. Except through some very subtle zen-like language games, it is basically meaningless to debate such strange & fundamental psychological phenomena. while some people like to use this argument in support of ideas like flat earth, i think that is misguided. If the flat earth idea was coherent at all it would be a debate about physical phenomena which, no matter how illusory our internal projections of reality may be, are still consistently very measurable & have extremely complex & very sound science, mathematics & endless observation which explains these things profoundly well. in all my years of pondering these kind of deep things, i have come to feel that it's a mistake to throw the baby out with the bathwater by giving no credence whatsoever the the phenomenal world which seems to exist independent of our consciousness. it seems to me that there is a relationship occurring between our limited individual consciousness/illusion & the universe at large. In any respect a debate about something like the apparent structure of our planet is meaningless without having some kind of coherent structural framework of language which can be understood by anyone who has the patience to educate themselves in some kind of a meaningful way regarding that language. in this case it is mostly the science of physics over the last 400 years or so.. otherwise this discussion is just like a bunch of apes arguing over whether a cloud looks like a chicken or peanut which you might agree would be boring & stupid.

yeah i think there is a lot of good reasons to sow in natural cycles. way higher possibility of soft stock growing year round in a greenhouse like you said wb & more complicated hardening off etc & it just makes sense to acclimatize seedlings to their natural conditions from word go.. i just thought cause the title said commercial scale.. but for a conservation project it's not the best advice. actually i don't think i have anything else to add to your advice wb. good luck with your project tripsis! let us know how things go in the future

i get your sentiment bardo & respect you for it. i agree people should be treated with respect but ideas are not people. some ideas should be ousted for what they are. i don't personally think i was being disrespectful to siks3, he is probably a lovely guy, i was just teasing him for stating that people who don't believe in a flat earth are hurting because they have been deceived. then demonstrate that the reason he believes in a flat earth is because he doesn't understand physics.

for the record i also applaud anyone who is trying to see beyond the veil. conspiracy is a normal primate behavior & large scale conspiring is par for the course in any civilization. it is not an easy thing to do, to broaden your awareness & intelligence to give yourself a better chance to determine when you're being bullshitted to & to pursue deeper ideas.. but that is precisely why dumb shit like the flat earth idea become so popular. also google and faceboooks algorithms do not help at all. it sux how easy it is to google your way into a universe of confirmation bias as you fall into a vortex of 'suggestions' which only relate to whatever it is you were searching to begin with. i think this is a huge problem with the world today & probably accounts for a lot of the silly fads that are happening on the internet right now

not sure if this is somehow in reference to my comments but hey man! i'm a high school dropout too! i dropped out because staying in that ridiculous dump was a really bad idea that was not worth pursuing. just like the flat earth!

greenhouse definitely isn't needed but unless your climate is right you'll need it if you want to propagate all year round

humanity is lucky to have an intellectual powerhouse like siks3 that is able to rewrite hundreds of years of physics & awaken the sleeping masses. thank you for all your hard work siks3