BillyThKid
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Im perfectly willing to not have to use paypal, but my thing is i wish they would put pictures of at least some of their cacti for sale up. it would give us all a better idea of what we are buying. 2$ for a catalog is kinda silly especially when its hard to order from them and pay to start with.
so who are these Ed and Betty gay collectors who spreading genetics around?
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The way i have the main heads set up because they had so much vascular tissue i think i have at least 3 points of contact on the ,main heads to the root stocks.
With the main heads having such large vascular tissue you would think it would be impossible to not have it fuse.
Today i did more garden stuff. im gathering recycled plastic containers of my families trast to be used for seedling trays for the remaining 200 or so seeds i need to plant of my trichocereus hybrids.
I may also be getting other seeds soon from a friend so i need these other containers.
Might be getting an IR light heat mat for extra root development and higher germination rates.
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Looks like your basic american PC pachanot to me aka San pedro.
This is the most common seen at least in america, The way i learned it is its some kind of hybrid or isolated clone which is more cold tolerant than "normal" san pedro hoever so far as we know this clone species was developed for landscaping or something of that nature, but the cactus is not found in the wild and such which is why we assume it is a hybrid of some sort.
someone correct me if im wrong.
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Yes, this is actual hybridization.
Read about the Triangle of U some time to see how the sexual equivalent of this type of crossing gave us mustard greens and rutabagas.
I suspect the grafting & cell culture tactic would be difficult to do in ones kitchen. Even if the in vitro work was perfected you'd still need to grow hundreds or a thousand cacti to find the gem.
Shoot, i just personally started my journey into Micro propagating and it has been a lot of reading so far and looking at pictures.
I think someone young like myself who still has hopefully 50 more years at least of working in the cactus field this would be yet another project along with all the others. If im already growing ariocarpus, aztekium, and many other slow growers from seed than i might as well use the time im weighting on them to becomes adults to work on other projects/
Just because it is hard or will take a long time does not mean we should not try. Hell when most of us first started growing cacti and found out it took a couple years for them to even look much like cacti when grown from seeds. Now the germination time from seed to a foot tall does not seem like a lot of time to most of you, still a lot to me, so if i have the space and know how micro propagation, Chimeras, and whatever other experiments i will do if i can
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nice one Billy , never seen such in detail graft pics before,,,
ceres... good luck with the bugs
I took at least 10 other pictures i would upload but i figured this was enough.
I left the ritteri on the root stock for this long in hopes of a flowering but i aw none so this year is graft and recovery year.
Does anyone have experience with upside down grafts? I only know of one person personally who had one and it pups like a monster/
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Oh thats cool. They nemed the clone after the area it grew it, cant wat to see what all these cluster fucking seeds end up like.
I really want to order the catalog for sacred succulents it is just a pain in the ass for me to have to pay to see their products. But alsi a good wall to keep hister out.
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So cool to know its rather easy to graft ariocarpus areoles, as 'easy' as any other grafting areoles. I dont have enough specimens to attempt such experiments at them moment
Here is an update picture of my ariocarpus retusus Subspecies confusus scion grafted to pereskiosis. The one tubrical with the areole hair tuft is pretty new but there is another areole and tubrical forming below it and to the left.
The whole scion is swelling nice and growing much faster than its brothers and sisters which are on their own root,.
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To my knowledge a true test of a monstrose form is for it to produce pups or be able to take cuttings and produce clones that have a similar mutation
a lot of the time, such as now, cacti grow weird because of some environmental factor or damage.
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I recently got seeds from Sacred succulent on a trade with a member on SAB who had ordered them and i had lots of crosses.
1 - Trichocereus huanucoensis X Trichocereus peruvianus ‘Serra Blue’
2 - Trichocereus huanucoensis X Trichocereus peruvianus/ ‘Juul’s Giant’ hybrid
3 - Trichocereus peruvianus ‘Serra Blue’ X Trichocereus sp. SS02
4 - Trichocereus peruvianus ‘Serra Blue’ X Trichocereus huanucoensis
5 - Trichocereus sp. ‘Luther Burbank’ X Trichocereus sp. SS02
6 - Trichocereus sp. SS01 X Trichocereus pachanoi
7 - Trichocereus sp. SS02 X Trichocereus huanucoensis
8 - Trichocereus sp. SS02 X Trichocereus peruvianus/ ‘Juul’s Giant’ hybrid
9 - Trichocereus sp. SS02 X Trichocereus peruvianus ‘Serra Blue
10 - Trichocereus sp. SS02 X Trichocereus sp. ‘Luther Burbank’
11 - Trichocereus sp. SS02 X Trichocereus sp. SS01
12 - Trichocereus pachanoi f. monstrosus X Trichocereus sp. ‘SS02’
13 - Trichocereus sp. ‘Juul’s Giant’ X Trichocereus sp. SS02
14 - Trichocereus sp. Validus X Trichocereus sp. 'Lumberjack'
I have no experience with any of these clones much less their hybrids except for 4 months of having an ss02 cutting so far.
The one that interests me the most in your and my stock is the 'Serra blue' trichocereus. Anyone know what it is?
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A friend of mine finally sent me some grafting stock to get my aztekium ritteri grafted onto new stock. The old root stock was on its last leg.
I had some of the root stock already but i needed to move pups to be able to cut the main head right.
ONe of the pups grafted onto a myrtillocactus geometrizans. nice little twin
In this one it is the underside of that pup, you can see almost a number 8 looking water core on it. i think the upper lobe is for the one pup and the larger lower lobe is for the other one. With that in mind i layed the scion on the root stock so that both areas of vascular tissue met with the ring of the root stock. I hopt they take at both points, if not i hope that at least one takes and feeds them both
This is the aztekium head upside down showing where i cut off the old root stock and then spent an hour shaving it down without hurting the aztekium. The old root wstock had warped and twisted and hardened and just been a pain to remove.
This is the last picture of it whole.
I basically cut the aztekium head in half and this is what i saw. the bright color is always stunning and i see it in every aztekium ritteri i have seen cut open thus far. i love all the vascular tissue steming from the water core to the skin for the pups. There were over 36 smaller pups on the main head so it was impossible not to cut though some like this.
5 grafts in total. 3 large pups, the main head and the base which had the old root stock attacked to it which i grafted upside down to make a pup factory.
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I have MImosa Hostilis and they close up like that from what i have seen.
I know many acacia and mims have thorns but if this plant has thorns i would say it is MH. I have always known all my mimoa hostilis to close up like this at night time and if it rains or is a little nippy
I tried to add pictures of my mimosas but apparently they are too pic so i have to change their file size.
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Wrote this once and the page lost it ugg.
Anyway this thread is about Shanin which i believe refers to the species petunia violacea which is a common ancestor of most common hybrid petunias. Though i am not talking about the hybrids.
This species is thought to be a mild psychedelic causing feelings of flight or something along those lines. i read one or two of the old threads on here from 2004 about it but they have very few replies and all old information.
I think i remember reading somewhere the chemical or whatever in the true Shanin plant is similar to what is in Salvia D. but no Identifiable alkaloids i know of have been found in petunias. I have done a bit of research but no luck.
i got Shanin seeds from a trusted friend in texas several months back and being the nice person i am i shared them with a friend so she could grow them. she lived close so i could come see them.
She planted hers indoors before i did mine and got a flower first. And here is how it looks.
I have read that younger plants can still change flower color when they get bigger but to me this looks like all the pictures i see of shanin online.
such as this
ANyone know anything else about shanin or petunias?
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I did not appreciate these Ariocarpus and sadly they have succumbed to rot :'(
It's a very sad day...
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The first was an 8 year old seedling that still has the possibility of multiple grafts to be done
But the second has completely rotted from the inside.
I have only ever heard of tales of people grafting the areoles of ariocarpus. Sometimes i hear it works and then sometimes i hear it never works.
I think it depends on the species, root stock and so much more that makes it hard. Grafting a wholoe specimen is hard sometimes especially when cutting away rot so many times all you have left is the areoles anyway.
So sorry about your girls, ariocarpus can notmally handle everything except too much water
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if tarijensis is poco then baddass . yet another cactus i already had that means i can double check poco on the list now
I know that would be really cool if that is what poco is. Thats why i posted here thinking maybe someone knew. think i need to post it in one of those ID threads?
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There are a lot of fat bastards in here. A lot of Peruvanoids i would like to have, not too interested in the PC pachanots but i like san pedro even the PC.
Not many long spine peruvians here, most look like pachanoi crosses of some kind or another. Any idea on the genetics>?
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So i have a couple things. First off Is the so called Trichocereus "poco" which as far as i can tell is syn with trichocereus Tarijensis. Any ideas on this one or what it really is?
I bought it a month or two ago and had to cut off a large amount of spines near the tip because of those stupid fake flowers hot glued to the plant.
What is the origin of this plant or its known history anyway? is this a so called "poco" or maybe its a cuzco?
Second is that i have had this species of Opuntia for a long time, close to 10 years. for the first 3 it was in too shay of a spot but they have been growing good in this new full sun area for a few years. Anyway as of today the first bloom opened and i think i finally IDed it as some kind of Opuntia engelmannii of some kind. It has produced one orange flower with slight red or pink in the middle, but i know this species produces plants which make yelow white and orange flowers on one plant depending on the variation it is or hybrid.
Early in the day
Later this Agapostemon Virescens bee thing came by and pollinated it and took away a huge load of it.
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Ariocarpus retusus var. furfuraceus flowered today
Looks really beautiful. has this one flowered before? self fertile? did you collect pollen for future use?
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I think the issue is not your intentions regarding discussion of certain alkaloids more that such discussions generate interest from the wrong kinds of peoples... the forum get pretty high rank search results on google from certain search strings and from what I gather this sorta thing is more the problem rather than your innocent enquiry.
I couldnt care either way but at the end of it all the answers are found elsewhere anyway... just gotta put some time in.
However this is my interpretation of comments posted in countless threads regarding the same issue, regard it just as that and not anything condescending. ..
Besides that the moderators control the forums how they seem fit so not much else matters..
Just curious as to why u think mescaline is a defense tool?? Ie what kind of predator would it deter??
From what i have been told or perhaps read over the past year Mescaline and other alkaloids are present in the plant to help ward off potential predators because the alkaloids are very bitter and unpleasant. Thus a mouse or other animal might take one bite of a cactus and then decide not to eat anymore because of the terrible taste.
I am pretty sure this is correct but hell, misinformation is out there in bucket loads.
The problem is some information which is not on wiki is known by other collectors. I read a post in the thread and got the pictures mixed up with the species in question. I never thought The rainbow had it in it until i saw this thread haha
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If only i lived not in america haha.
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I'm no expert whatsoever, not even close to one.....I'm just a reader, but to me when we say peruvianus or pachanoi is like in ancient cultures they used to call them male (for longer spined specimens) and female (for shorter spined specimens).
From readin M S Smith, Archeae and Trout's discussions, I'm not really convinced that peruvianus and pachanoi are different species.
But as I said I'm still learning and I might be wrong ;)
I believe there are some pachanoi out there with more peruvianus in them and some peruvianus out there with more pachanoi in them. And an infinite combination inbetween.
The evolution of the trichocereus genus is not fully known but they are all of course closely related and each has a bit of the other in them even if its only a bastard hybrid way way back or something.
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The history of the Lumberjackus clone is in this thread - dude basically just found it at a hardware store type place and propagated it..
As discussed earlier also there is speculation that it may be the same clone that I believe Mesa Gardens offers by a different name (much like how some people think the aussie "Super Pedro" clone is the same as what we have as a T. "cordobensis" I believe it is in the USA)
SS02 is a pure bridgesii or bridgesoid type plant - while it may have pachanoi in its genetic history somewhere that is just speculation and it's the first time I've heard it either (much like how people speculate that the predominant cultivar pachanoi in the USA, the "backeberg" clone is partly a bridgesii)
I will have to go back and read, i must have missed it somewhere.
I have actually seen cacti called T cordobensis at my lowes last year and saw 1 this year as well. So what exactly is it?
And oh lord the PC pachanot. Took me a year to find a pedro that was not a PC pedro. i have read about the bridgesii possibility. I and a couple others believe it has peruvianus in it as well if not as the main hybrid back in the day. I know spine numbers and such dont always mean much but the length, number and style reminds me of a short spined peruvian torch.
like this one but not with the shield style areole of course.
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Hello T-rich, this is an AWESOME Plant! I think it´s some kind of Soehrensia. Most likely Soehrensia Grandis or Soehrensia Bruchii, aka Trichocereus Bruchii. Now, Soehrensia are placed in Echinopsis. But will have a closer look at it during the week. I have the worst flu I had in years.
I agree that it would seem to be one of your guesses. I have never seen this species before that i know of but after looking them up it looks like one or the other.
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Hold up hold up. So you guys are saying this Rainbow hedgehog cactus has been found to contain alkaloids such as mecaline?
I was previously unaware of this as i own the species and love it very much and im always interested to know which species in what families have been found to contain different alkaloids. its important to document and make it common knowledge among collectors. Its just another part of the plant after all and an important one to it for self defense.
Every time the "M" word comes up it should not trigger censorship right off unless its talking about potency or what have you that is in the rules. But When i first came here i mentioned how specific soil additives were important to several species of cacti for proper alkaloid production. I never even mentioned mescaline and i was warned about my post.
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dnno how i missed this ... terscheckii in Bolivia .. AWESOME! thank you!!!
So hell. I guess that means i had it right. i suppose it could also be called to Bolivian saguaro if it does come from the country in some places.
Good to know. i figured it had a nice range of areas where cacti clusters live. there is so much of south america we know nothing about its really guessing about a lot of information in the end. Going by what we know
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Im perfectly willing to not have to use paypal, but my thing is i wish they would put pictures of at least some of their cacti for sale up. it would give us all a better idea of what we are buying. 2$ for a catalog is kinda silly especially when its hard to order from them and pay to start with.
so who are these Ed and Betty gay collectors who spreading genetics around?