BlackDragon
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Hiya All,
Just thought it was time to introduce you all to my little friend that should start travelling the trade routes soon. I would like people that already have this clone to keep the associated name with it for further trading, so we can keep track on how she stands up to differing environments, yields and diseases etc. Thanks to those that will spread her prodgeny far and wide.
T. bridgesii/ E.langiformis Clone : "Mum&Dad" a.k.a "M&D"
"Mum&Dad" clone is a special plant that i managed to resuce over ten years ago form a roadside excavation team (cacti haters). After freeing her from her certain demise and transplanting at my parents home, she was treated to a wonderful life of sandy loam soils terraced with warming moss rocks. For ten years she had sprouted forth much new growth, and quite some height (3.5m+) and pups annually profusely.
She has little problems in the way of the dreaded black rot, although we normally have little if any problems with black death at all here. Not sure how she will go in tropical areas(hopefully with spread of this clone we will see soon enough). She can handle high levels of organic ferts without any problems, it causes no blisters or problems anytime of year here.
Mature specimen had been growing in position that allowed for early morning sun and full sun till around 4pm most of its life(8years). The later stages of growth(2years before harvest) were almost completely covered(no sun after 11-12am) by an overgrown hakea spp. Dapple but not full sunlight was filtered through to the mature specimen. Tip growth had thinned and no more height was achieved for those two years. Shade may play an important role in high alkaloid level, but this is yet to be fully tested.
Characteristics are that of the typical Bolivian type, glaucus lengths rarely exceeding 80-100mm in diameter. Average of 70-85mm. Spines 30-70+mm in length. Pups profusely, both at ground level and along the length of older sections.
Growth is quick, averaging around 250-300mm+/year.
*EDIT*Took some pics of the mature plant today, hope you enjoy.
Main tip:
Multi pupping mature stock:
Finally, a comparison between M&D, Cornucopia#1 and Cornucopia#2.
Ill put up a comparison of Bruce or do a similar "Introducing: Bruce" thread later in the week.
Any other friends out there with "M&D" clones could you please add some pics please, i would love to see the new growth in different locations, and how she has performed for you.
I also hope to have some cuts available soon for sale/trade. Keep an eye out on SwapnSell, ill drop a reminder note on the SAB seed exchange anyways.
Cheerin
Bd.
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I dont think i have ever been truely satisfied.Happy is satisfaction to me, it's hard to be satisfied when you're aware of things outside of a box though, I don't really want to be happy I just want to use my time here well.I believe the time used thinking of what lies outside of the box is all important to our time here and now, it actually makes us who we are, and makes us different. Our place or awareness outside of the box is immesurable. The chaos that comes along with this open space is something that we can only learn to listen to, swim through and run from... i dont think we can ever fully decypher our role on earth. Our role may eventually be laid out open, or we may have to wade through the noise, some may decypher a small message that will grow within us. Even if we dont know what it means yet, it will continue to guide us or propell us toward a new light in one way or another.
Until I know how I work and who I am I'm just killing time till I do - the norm seems to be work how we tell you to work, be who we tell you to be and give your time to us. It hurts when I try to motivate myself to yield, it's too hard to deny the truth once you've seen it.Its like a glimpse of what the world should be like, yet you can only live in the world you create for yourself. Through persistance and growth, crazy thoughts and awkward times, life, your/our life will be as you want, its just not right here right now. We can always wonder what is and work toward it, even if we dont complete the journey in our lifetime, the path has been opened by someone so some other may stumble on and follow the given trail, and im in no doubt, that the second being to do so will olny lenghten that road/ perhaps diverting it in a way, but nevertheless, progress through the noise has been made.
I may have used the word you alot here, not meaning you as in pointing the finger you, i mean we/you, a collective being.
Peace BD.
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Shiva, your word skill is much higher than mine, but ill attempt to input a little as im a in a bit of a mind pickle at the moment also.
Much of what you have said has effected me in the past and still to this day. I find the objectiveness of our worlds(ethno enlightened or just not a sheep like follower) has always struggled within its own realms of saftey. Its a part of being self aware i think....
I too find myself endlesly chasing treasures and grails.
I think in human life this chase or struggle is reflected in almost everyone, yet not everyone can recognise it, or they choose not to feel it.
I think as highly emotional people(myself definatley and perhaps yourself) we struggle to truely be happy(what is happy?) in a sense, and our chase of treasures is our own way to dealing and rewarding ourselves. Its our own set up and reward system.... thesedays its rare to get a pat on the back, our chase/reward system forms our own acceptance internally perhaps.. we do need a little comforting now and then o spose..
Ive found, like you said, catching up with old mates a major marker of my mindset and my space now and here. Sometimes things should just be left in the past, we have grown as a beings individually, and i have learnt to accept that other do so in their own time or sometimes not at all. Its hard to understand but i think its part of also growing older. You/we realise not everyone is the same internally, and you cannot expect the same of others to be reciprocated as you would expect, again we are setting ourselves up for a fall or reward.. your heart knows there is no reward here trying to replay old times as you may like to so the fall is inevitable as a learning guide for our own future and growth..
Im not sure if any of this is making sense as its like explaining a symphony of reflective and educational emotions all crashing at once, im just trying to single out a little of the melody that ive managed to decypher
Your not alone, thats all i know.
BD.
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Yep, red leb is avaiable from landrace seed suppliers/banks.
As for no hash coming outa lebanese bekaa valley, im not too sure... you would have to talk to Mossad bout that
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Cool
Always wanted to play with mandalas, this link gives a quick rundown on easy ways to do it with photoshop.
Just whipped this nice one up in bout halfa..
Bd
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Its not just a plant... treated right the final product will rival ANY vintage wine in its flavors and complexities.
Ooooh yeah.
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Everyone is pretty spot on with what they have said here..
Ill add my bit
Flushing a plant thats outdoors in a pot is still recomended, as salts can eaily accumulate in pots.. in the ground i wouldnt think its needed. Just water with no ferts for the last 3-2 weeks before prime harvest time.
Foolsbreath mentioned 50% of pistil colour change, this can misguide your peak prime harvest with some varities. Some varities including some long flowering sativa will continue to grow alot more flower after 50% brown pisitls. the 50% rule is a good way to predict harvest time but not the best.... of course, it all depends how anal you wanna be with your plant... And im as anal as they come. 80% for me, but ill use a mic as ill discuss below... You will aslo notice some of the larger fan leaves yellow off and maybe even drop off. This is a good sign that the plant is later in its maturity and it had little or no food left in the root system, so it uses its energy and food stored in those ol fan leaves.
For more accurate determination of peak thc take note of Aces method. I prefer using a 60-100X LED microscope(or loupe). The microscope was the best pressie i got myself ever it allows you to keep a close eye on your peak THC period. Within days you will notice changes in trichome sizes, colours and opacity. All strains are different in ripening time, and speed just need to watch and learn..
Drying, ok, cool and NO heat above room temp. Remember that smell you get from good pot is those lovely turpines and aromatics actually becoming volatile at room temp. Therefore, you dont wanna raise the heat any more than possible. Raised heat=loss of flavour and high sugar levels in the final product. It prevents the fermentation happening once the cell walls are crisped close.
Dry for 4-10 days depending on humidity and temp. Dry till your head leaf or the exterior and part way in the flower of the medium sized bud just goes crunchy.
How you trim up your plant is a matter of preferance... and sometimes how much you have to trim!
Some like to cut and hang the whole plant, some like to hang flowers with head leaf intact, the headleaf hanging over the flower to protect trichomes and cause slower drying. Some cut all headleaf off while wet, hanging the flowers on line to dry, and some chuck the flowers chunked up on a screen to dry. This last one generally causes massive loss of trichomes and far too quick drying. NEVER use a dehydrator or force dry!! Its a waste of time and youll just ruin mother natures great work!
Curing. Geez, i could rant all day, but again Foolsbreath had got it pretty right. Curing caused the slow fermentation of the sugars and chlorophyll which in turn gives a far superior smooth smoke, full of flavour and no veggie(chlorophyll) taste. When the flowers are almost dry, and the stem is still a tiny little moist, its a good time to transfer to glass jars or decore food container or similar. Glass is best, as it doesnt interfere with flavour. Put flowers into said continer for a day or two, then gently spread them out on some newspaper or similar to air dry again of a day. Repeat this process untill the flowers have taken on an even moisture consistency from stem to flower tip, just near prime smokability. They will smell a little weird around now, a little like musty weedy ammonium, thats cool, it will pass later in the curing process. Its just the sugars fermenting. Within a week or three the main curing phase will have taken place. Great for most peeps now or you can keep on curing...
Repackage the flowers in air tight conatiners and open once a week to air and give them a gentile move around. Dont bash em around tho
Around 3-4 months after harvest you cured flowers will be prime, i garuuunteee.
There is a million ways to go about it all, and everyone has their own method, mine is quite anal as a mentioned... but its worth it
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I think a while back(few years) someone at the shrooomery had already set up a home grow chamber, regulating air exchange, humidity and heat all controlled by his old pc. There are plenty of data loggers and other systems that can be linked.
Try this link for startersPC control greenhouse and they also sell the associated cards needed controllers/cards Not bad prices either. Be sure to check jaycar or similar, as you may find a supplier here in oz.
Looks very interesting indeed!!
Good luck all
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I find this topic facinating... I agree agrument/discussion is far better than nothing said...
I have a few questions for MS:
MS, when was the last time you went to Peru of Bolivia? Or South America for that matter? Im just interested in how you base your formulated position/opposition? Have you seen samples at markets etc? Im just wondering how much time you have spent in the countries of origin? I know ive asked a few questions, dont mind me... it just helps me put things into perspective.
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And the segmentation of the lenghts.... Some macros show this but they are easily distinguished too, much rounder/fatter profile.
Yep, the thin ribs and that general pinky tinge to the unpened flower buds, and no hair on the flower buds(last time i looked) are easy traits to recognise that point to c.peruvianus.
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I cant believe how well they do resemble that fortress.... Amazing.
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Yeah the last two did look strange to me, but they are legit. Cynic!
Check out link (quick google search will end your april fools guess)
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Hey'all. My friend in the mining industry sent me these pics today, i was amazed at size of these crystal formations. I have very little to do with crystals, or their powers for that matter, but jeebuz, behold the power of nature at hand
Heres the blurb that came with the pics:
"This is the crystal cave of giants found in the Naica Mine,
Chihuahua,
Mexico.
These are Selenite crystals (gypsum) and are the largest crystals ever discovered.
They are 1000 feet down in a limestone host rock where they are mining for lead, zinc and silver.
These crystals were formed by hydrothermal fluids emanating from the magma chambers below.
The miners had to drill through the Naica fault, which they were worried would flood the mine, and this is what they discovered."
I can say is never thought i would see pictures of supermans crystal icehouse in my lifetime, i was wrong!
Beautiful indeed.
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Was waiting for some feedbak on this docco
I find that almost all reality based doccos, are slightly skewed in one way or another, its the nature of storytelling. The editing of the first bit is a bit more "hype diddly" than i expected, but the second half is an eye opener into the "whole story" of miami back then.. Ive always found that period of time to be very interesting, the change between smuggling with no authoritories watching to paying em off to terrorist style takedowns and tactics. And all the money... gee....... all that money.... Im suprised they didnt freeze any US bank accounts. Im sure the federal bank didnt complain.
Jasemateau, what didnt you like about it? or did you just not like the wait?
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Thanks for the seedball links lift, Ive seen some pretty cool plantings take place with natives using seedballs. Ive always wondered how to make them! Ive watched an whole side of a local hill range re-generated using them, quite inspiring i must say.
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Thats what my thoughts were last night Strangey, while i was cutting a few sections off for propagation.
I noticed that some of my plants i thought may have been the longer variety, are actually normal short sectioned ones. I can see the some of the older sections were infact longer with far fewer and smaller spines, and the new, more fertilized and higher light intensity growth to be much shorter and more stout. Also this somewhat showes a little truth toward the proposition that the length and ammount of spines may in fact be determined by light levels. New growth is soo much more spikier than the old.
I know the older growth is smaller than the other longer TBM's but i think we may be looking at the same effects of ferts and light levels. Anyone else got similar growth happening?
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When IDing these plants, what characterisistics are you looking at/for? From my first hunts years ago, phalaris vairties can usually be IDed via the feather/wedge where the leaf blade meets the stalk. There way the blades open flat and the shape it taken on around the stalk is a great way to id different species. Eg, pull a bade gently down to expose the joint where it meets the stem, you will see cup/wings that form the securing mechanism for the blade, apparently, according to my grasseas of SA book, each grass species has a unique characteristic there. Does anyone else use this method? or only flower id?
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Are the ones in Oz just the small sectioned ones? Like the huge Ebay oneYep, i would say most of our aussie ones are the short form. There may be a few longer forms out there but few and far between.
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WOW!! crazy like...
Cheers Ace.
From what i can gather from trouts notes, they may be monstrose offshoots from t.bridgesii var longispinus cut and sold as monstrose plants. Is there any pics available that shows the full plant?
Also found a pic of the other longer tbm, like our normal one, just longer...
Bd
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Thanks fugushi, count me in too please!
Cheerin
Bd.
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Correct, assuming to other parent has no resessive mutant gene:)Growing a monstrose plant from seed must increase the chances of propagating a non mutant plant?If the other parent did have resessive mutants, or showed morphing tendancies, there would be a chance of recombination of both mutating genes. Assuming dominant gene combination is whats making TBM's different
Theres no real way to tell untill you see the babies. From the bubs, you can determin which of the crosses produced mutant plants, then you can backcross to the mother which would tell you which genes were dominant.
If the gene/genes that cause the montrose is not dominant in the genetic makeup Im guessing that you could even bred the montrose growth out of the plant.I think you will find this is the case. Unless as mentioned above the other parent has morphing genes also. "fullmelt" or "candlewax" bridgesii shows quite unusual growth, this would be a prime expample of shapeshifting genes that may combine well with the TBM. Thing is, every breeding program needs a focused goal, in this case is it morphological differences you want to bring out or potency? All breeding programs need a goal.
Bd.
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Posted this one before, still good - still good!
I thought it was also important to post a "failed" graft also
You can see the loph has developed its own roots, as the fusion took place with a lack of vascular alignment. It has still grown, but very slowly.
Nice pics everyone
Bd
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Heya, looking for an old thread that showed a certain mamallaria or similar catcti, that when grafted to a stock, will force the stock to flower... I cant for the life of me find it here, can anyone remember the old thread?
Heeelp meeeee!!!!
Cheers
Bd
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I think ur right in a way morg clones maintain the same genetic age as the mother plant & in turn should flower along with her.What does "genetic age" have to do with flowering? and what is"genetic age"? Please explain...
You cant say a pup has the same genetic age as a motherplant, the genes never/rarely change with age, hence, thats why we use cloning! The genes stay the same, thats what makes it a stable variety. Only the set of environments and maturation of that clone that will bring about flowering if possible. eg, some clones of the same plant will flower profusely in one location, wheras clones of the same varity may not flower at all in other environments.
Again, i liken it to a pup off a loph, you cant expect it to flower untill it grows up, and reaches maturity to flower. Why would this be any different with the TBM? Or the pup off a trich, it wont flower the same year it shoots out of the areole will it? yet it has the same "genetic age" as you say. Yet a trich tip cutting, say a foot or two long that has matured, will, if conditions are right, flower indeed.
Point is, TBM are very rarely in flower(i wont say never) and we have to attemp induce flowering in a mature section/piece/length whatever, not a freshy shot pup.
lopho for bridgesii
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Thats cool strangey, you just kinda kicked me in the bum and made me actually get some work done and get background info out there on this clone. Thanks for the reminder
Bd.