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Hi Bagels, it looks completely normal to me. There´s a glaucous epidermis color, which is normal for some strains. There also are some minor discolorations, but these could be from the plant having a stressful time, not enough nutrients, sun burn and a whole lot more reasons. It´s one of these internet myths that similar discolorations automatically mean virus infection, but that´s just misinformation. Unless the discolorated area grows substantially, affects the whole body and starts making circular patches, it´s most likely not a virus. It´s a Trichocereus pachanoi.

Yeah, it happens a lot that cacti that are grown together at the same place tend to pup at the same time. Not entirely sure what causes it, but I think it might have to do with their inner clock. They somehow sense when it´s a good time to pup. Would be interesting to see if two clones of the same plant would pup at the same time, even if grown at two completely different places. I think they´d probably not as it seems to be directly affected by the weather or light.

And @Micromegas, I have absolutely no problem with you asking questions about why this thread was removed. You know that I respect you very much and I am also more than happy to comment on the reasons for the removal of a certain thread. In this particular case, there were very good reasons for the removal. I have nothing against archaeological content and if it´s done the right way I am more than happy to have it, but there´s been major problems in the last months in regards to low quality ingestion related content and this is me going against it. When it´s about historical ingestion and use of cacti, the content just needs to be presented in an acceptable form and open discussions are like an invitation to rule breaking and undermining of the rules, which have already been ignored WAY too often in the past six months. I had a lot to do lately and I was shocked to find some discussions pretty much taking a dump on the forum rules, which is why we´re now going against it, and it also means getting a grip on gray area stuff that´s used to bend or get around the rules. My offer in regards to archaeological content stands and we´ve always been open for scientific papers. If there´s anyone that wants to add quality content to this topic, feel free to get in touch with me and we´ll find a way. Apart from that, there´s just too much room in open discussions for threads to drift off and rules being undermined even further, which is not acceptable to me. Especially not right now when we just got a grip on the wave of rule breaking posts that we just had.

Hey guys, so first of all I don´t think I need to be insulted here as a Nazi. This part of my posting isn´t about Micromegas, who is a dear friend of mine. I am talking about Skellum and I gave the member a warning point and he can be very glad that it wasn´t a permanent suspension. I am the LAST to call a Nazi and I won´t have this shit anywhere. So this is why I am already out of patience with this whole thing from the start. I am a super relaxed person if you talk with me like a normal person I am very open for criticism, but there´s a line and if this is crossed again it won´t end well. @Micromegas , Postings about use of Trichocereus usually derail and end up with stuff that is directly rule breaking and it´s why I chose to remove it. It´s a fine line between archaeological posts to "which species did they use and in what dosages" and doing these public discussions to find out whether or not a mod made the right decision to remove it is not fair towards the mods. Our mods have to make split second decisions and it´s part of the job. I chose to remove it, because the ingestion related discussions in the past months were getting out of hand and people kept ignoring the rules left and right. In the past months, I removed multiple threads because it was as if everybody had suddenly forgotten that we actually have rules against ingestion discussions. Quite honestly, I needed to make a decision to either stop moderating here because of all the ingestion related postings or to go harder against them. I chose the latter, which is why I am taking a harder stance against these postings now and it only works if people get the message that they have to respect the rules and that there are no ways around them with clever word plays and other things that are just undermining the rules. I love to be part of this community and I enjoy the quality of content that we have here, but I do not want to be a moderator in a forum where there are ongoing discussions about ingestion of cacti. I always said that and it will never change. I am a big Trichocereus fan and everything I do is because I want to protect these plants. I also have great respect of Archaeological content, but compared to scientific papers, forum discussions about something like that usually get to the point really quickly and end up with postings about potency and which species were the most active ones, etc. Not sure if you noticed, but there are cactus soup postings all over the internet these days and they hurt the community more than you can imagine and will lead to some governments outlawing certain cacti sooner or later. Personally, I will not give them any ammo and I stand firmly behind the practice of removing ingestion related content. There´s only one exception, which is scientific papers. In theory, having an archaeological discussion about historical cactus use sounds nice, but we had these a few times already and it cost the mods weeks of work with constant baby sitting of the thread and removal of postings and I am a bit hesitant to do that again, especially since our rules are actually pretty clear about it. I personally think that archaeological use of cacti is an interesting subject. If there´d be well researched input I´d be delighted to keep a well written paper about this subject that doesn´t derail and everyone interested in that is always welcome to make use of my offer to write one. Archaeological use of cacti sounds nice, but if you take a closer look it´s often used as a clever way around the rules and I wasn´t having it yesterday. Personally, I would love to read a scientific paper on this and I would have no objections against articles on that subject either as long they can be presented in a reputable way. I think that´s very fair. With a well researched paper, you can publish high quality content of archaeological significance, while open discussions about use of cacti will pretty much lead to people losing respect of the rules (which have already been more or less ignored in the past months) and I am going against it now. Also, the original poster chose to ignore that the first posting was removed and reposted it right away, which is another reason why this thread isn´t happening in this form. If he wasn´t happy with a decision that I made, he could´ve message me and we´d have a chat about it. If I remember correctly, he´s a long term member that knows very well about the rules of this place, in particular the cactus rules. When someone talks with me like a normal person, I am more than happy to look for a solution and maybe find a compromise, but simply ignoring the moderator´s decision and posting it again is not really a respectful way to deal with the people moderating on a volunteer basis.

This is the second time I am removing this and if I have to do it a third time I´ll find a more creative way to deal with this. It´s about consumption, so it´s against the rules.

Red discoloration is often a sign of stress. In this case, I don´t think it´s a problem though. Some species have a higher tendency to produce a reddish discoloration at the base and apart from that the plants look very healthy. Trichocereus grandiflorus has a different shape than other Trichocereus species, what explains the slightly odd shape too. These look pretty good as far as I am concerned.

Hey guys, drew the winners and I hope I did it right. I pulled 10 random winners from the numbers posted in this thread. That means one or two won multiples and whenever I drew one that no one took I pulled another one. The bold ones are the winners and their numbers. @Master B 1 6 Zyppel 13 Dozer 19 13 Dozer 12 Macca 11 IssaMel77 19 16 Mean Green 18 Tom Bombadil 20 Uda 20 Uda 18 Tom Bombadil

Yeah, we had a whole lot of mutants in these too. Some incredible seeds. We´ll probably wrap this up sometime soon, but maybe we´ll give it a few more weeks to get some visible results. But pretty happy about the photos I saw so far. Thanks for participating.

Sorry EG havent asked yet.... but do you mind drawing this with a random number gen after say Sunday the 6th 8pm ozzy time... If EG cant do it i will organize another trusted member to do it. Good luck and thanks my beloved SAB... Hey mate, great contribution. Happy to do it. Just make sure to remind me when it´s time to draw and I draw like the wind.

Of course. Always glad to see new photos from your collection and very glad to see you around. That Cereus could be Cereus hildmannianus.

Hey Micromegas, great to see you around. Beautiful plant and insane how much it grew since the last photos.

Congrats mate. The fortune cookie says you will meet someone special today.

Yes Trichocereus bridgesii. And welcome to SAB. ;)

Hey Philo, been thinking about you quite a lot recently after you stopped responding and I am seriously relieved to hear you are alive, even though you seem to have a lot of stuff going on with the situation in your country. If there´s anything we can do to help, please let us know. We´re all more than happy to send positive energy and do whatever we can to help out a friend. For example, if you ever need seeds to get into the cactus growing again just let us know and we´ll hook you up. You know, I´ve had quite my share of bad periods in my life and if there´s anything I learned from that it´s that it´s not permanent and that there are loads up good times ahead if you stay positive. Life is all up and down and everything is a whole lot easier when you have friends that you can count on. So yeah, would love to see you around every now and then, and also feel free to message me at [email protected] if there´s anything I can do. All the best! Bye Patrick

Hey guys, there´s been a recent spike of threads that involve potency and ingestion of cacti, which is completely against the rules and will not be tolerated. All threads or comments involving anything that refers to it will be removed and if this happens repeatedly I will hand out warnings or suspend accounts if I have to. I don´t like to, but these discussions will be the legal nail in the coffin for these plants one day, and I will not play a part in it. I mostly saw constant rule breaking with new members, but I also saw it happening with some long term members too. The rules are pinned all over the cactus forum and I do not tolerate this ongoing disrespect towards the rules of the forum. So yeah, in case you didn´t know these topics are not really welcome, consider this a friendly reminder. If you come across threads discussing ingestion or potency, please report them. SAB has always been known for its great cactus division that attracted members from all over the world, and i don´t wanna see this changing because of low quality content that´s borderline illegal. bye EG

Looks great. Good work mate. Appreciate the update. bye Eg

Nice plants, Dr. Snuggles. ;) Took you off the mod queue, so you can now post live.

Hey mate, some terrific crosses. I´ll take these Z024 (Scop x Fat Spach) X Scop $3 Z037 Knuthianus X scop (or red grandi??) $3 Z040 SA SS Tersch X Fields Pachanoi $5 5 Z041 SA SS Tersch X Gawler Peru $5 Z042 SA SS tersch X Hahn pach $5 Z044 SA SS Tersch X PC pachanoi $4 Z045 SA SS Tersch X Roseii 1 $5 5 Z046 SA SS Tersch X Scop (heynes) $5 Z049 Scop X SA SS Tersch $5 Z051 Scop (Heynes) X Chilensis (fat Strath) $5 Z067 Super Pedro X SA SS Tersch $5 International Shipping Just send me a total with a Paypal address and I´ll send it over.

Yeah I know. With all the fake Scop seeds on the market, I just wanted to make sure everybody knows they are legit regardless the Rib count. At that size it´s too early to tell more about the seedling, but I am sure it´ll drop the ribs later on or is a hybrid with more ribs than usual. Another possibility is that a Santa Seed corn got into the bag or into the Scop sowing area, but I think it´s probably just a rib anomaly.

I already saw the first seedlings from that strain and they are completely normal Scop seedlings so far. Ritter mentioned seedlings having more ribs and stated 7, sometimes even 8 ribs, but they drop them later on. Like I said, I saw the plants that these seeds were from and I will defend them till my last breath. It can always happen that you move a seed corn during watering, or that a different species gets into the dried seeds, but I am absolutely sure these are Scops. The seeds have a totally different size than other species, which is already a giveaway. This is a photo of the mother plant where the fruits are ripening. So yeah, not sure what´s going on with that seedling, but the strain that I sent everyone is Scop. As a seed seller, I need to know what I have, especially after the shit show with the fake T. scopulicola seeds from Peru that happened to some of the other seed sellers. I can trace back the seeds to the very fruit, and it´s just really important to me to make that very clear. I went the extra mile to guarantee the genuity of these seeds and I spent much more than I usually do just to make sure I get excellent quality. I don´t even earn anything on these and I just have them in the shop because it´s great quality. It can always happen that you get a strange seed corn that doesn´t belong or maybe even an uncommon hybrid seedling, but I am sure about the authenticity of these. There are always seeds where you can´t be sure as a seed seller, but these were grown in Germany by a hundred percent solid grower that also had a great documentation of his whole act. If the seeds I get from Peru or Bolivia were half as good in regards to viability and documentation as these Scop seeds, I´d be delighted. So yeah, thanks for posting updates. I am sure it´s a Scop and many ribs on seedlings is not uncommon.

Well, if you can believe the guy who discovered and described it, then yeah, 8 rib Scop as seedling is not uncommon. That said, it´s also possible you switched the seeds. :-P Long story short, I saw the mother plant that these seeds were harvested from and they are Scops. This is not the cheapo strain that´s been going around.

The last one in this thread looks like it belongs to T. werdermannianus too. Either that or T. chiloensis, but the rib shape looks very much like T. werdermannianus too.

These are the Trichocereus werdermannianus that Knize sells as Scops.

Hey mate, interesting plant and hard to ID because it falls in a group of plants where there are many intermediates without clear separation. It is definitely a column related to Trichocereus terscheckii, and I agree that the spines indicate it could be T. validus. I also saw some Bolivian Trichocereus werdermannianus forms which are very similar. So yeah, would guess that it´s Bolivian or a hybrid involving one of the species mentioned before,

Hey Godless, that´s Pachycereus pringlei.