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whats the mystique about Virolas? why are they so elusive? is it that people are afraid to say they don't know? have they been cut down so much they became rare in the amazon or something? whats the danger where they grow? jaguars? death by a krillion skeeter bites? killer bees? skin cream companys? being sent compsoneura by mistake? what's the score on going out there and bringing some seeds back? are there some sort of rules about them I should be aware of? the 4 sebifera seeds I have on their way may or may not.. be too old... I did ask the seller but have no reply yet and they already sent them I'll post some pics and any progress after they arrive, at least pics of the nuts but fingers crossed and wish hard.... so I have a bag of sphag hydrated with a little rain, then flattened to expel all the air, then I added liquid carbon to slay any thing that might have legs or require oxygen and it's sat waiting to be divided up into little bags for each seed that come's my way If there's anything else useful to know for growing/germinating them , I would be eternally grateful for any advice... also another seller I found called tropilab has been bouncing back my requests for a while with: "not available at the moment", "early next year", "too early still; wait 2 months" lol, and "not ready yet" ,... still pending my last attempt now... which is rather tiresome I flooded as much of the Amazon as I could with requests much like i did the rest of the world about Trichocereus validus.. but friends in Peruu said everyone sells it but it's never really it, and one's in Chile say they don't know the tree one's in Venezuela say too dangerous where they grow same story from Brazil, no reply on it from Nicaragua... only other person I spoke to in S.A about it was in Colombia and they didn't know the tree, only tree datura ... Would be nice to grow a bonsai Virola species with mini epiphytes and aya branching all over it with psychotrias as mid ground plants and some small orchids some Amazon milk frogs and more moss than you ever saw in a 45x45x90 high viv with lots of fog and a lightening/rain system http://andes-fieldschool.org/Andes_and_Amazon_Field_School/Myristicaceae.html so many species to learn Virola: albidiflora bicuhyba caducifolia calophylla carinata decorticans divergens dixonii duckei elongata flexuosa gardneri guatemalensis guggenheimii koschnyi loretensis macrocarpa marlenei megacarpa michelii minutiflora mollissima multicostata multiflora multinervia obovata parvifolia pavonis peruviana polyneura reidii rugulosa schultesii sebifera sessilis steyermarkii subsessilis surinamensis theiodora venosa weberbaueri