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What was the food of the gods?

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What was the food of the gods?

I have been experimenting with cocoa products the last few years to try and work out what was the true food of the gods [=FOTG]. I am not making much progress.

The one thing that is for sure is that it had nothing to do with the chocolate of today. It contained no refined sugar, nor milk. The commonly accepted FOTG was a mix of cocoa seeds, maize and spices. Now, cocoa seeds are bitter and starchy, maize is somewhat sweet and starchy and together they basically just taste starchy no matter how much cinnamon and chili you put in there.

There is also a theory that the true FOTG was merely the froth derived from making the above combination in the metate [rolling pin], but to be honest the flavour of the froth is pretty much the same as the liquid, minus the grit.

Then recently I came a cross a reference that it may not have been the chocolate seeds at all. That the seeds were enjoyed for their stimulating effect and high nutrition, but that in fact the pith surrounding the seed was the true FOTG. The pith has a fruity acidic taste that is enjoyable, but really nothign special in comparison to some of the other fruit available. And very bloody tedious. So I am pretty that this isn't it either.

This post was going to be a call for help. To see if anyone else has drunk the vile concoctions that can be made from cocoa seeds. But while writing this I've had another idea. What if this had nothing to do with flavour, nor nutrition. What if this had something to do with effect?

Anyone who has tried chocamine at doses of 2g and above will know what an amazing substance this is. Far from the wishy washy arguments in the medical literature whether theobromine is a major stimulant, taking what is equivalent to about 50g of fresh cocoa seeds is the closest thing I've ever had to the effects of MDA without having a PEA structure. There wouldn't be much that would be more revered in a society than a substance that can make you feel THAT good!! And just how accurate is the translation of FOTG anyway? How can we be sure that it doesn't mean "food that makes you feel like a god", or "food that lets you commune with the gods", or "food that is so special that only gods are allowed to eat it".

I am rapidly coming to suspect that the label of Food of the Gods had nothing to do with the flavour or nutrition, but was based on the effect.

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What if this had something to do with effect?

There ya go...

You know the used to mix cocoa nibs and 'shrooms together right?

I am rapidly coming to suspect that the label of Food of the Gods had nothing to do with the flavour or nutrition, but was based on the effect.

I think your totally correct. I consume chocolate strictly for it's psychoactive effects, again it goes really well with mushrooms.

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Difficult to say,i did however identify Diffusa as the Peyote of the Chupacabras.

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"God" and "Gods" meant different things to Euros and Americans, so the translation is problematic.

Reminds me a bit of beer-mainly starchy, initially doesn't taste that good, but it's easy to appreciate a good one after a bit of exposure-largely due to effects.

Have you tried adding Tagetes lucida? I think my first post here was about Montezumas chocy recipe...I'm still trying to track down the flowering plant that helps the froth...forgotten the name, starts with Q.

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have no idea, maybe try to sprout them...probally improove the taste considerably,

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quarabea[sp?]

i found kelp[salt] and chilli improved flavour and effect. the receipe in the montezuma thread is very noticably antidepressant.macca prob helps there too.

t s t .

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I am on the same boat as Teotz!

Chocolate and Shrooms have an exellent synergy when combined!

Also I found that chocolate with a high theobromide count helps very well with opiate withdrawals and almost completely stops the night sweats, Along with being a great mood stabiliser.

Lower doses seem to be helping as a sleep aid too!!!

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Also I found that chocolate with a high theobromide count helps very well with opiate withdrawals and almost completely stops the night sweats, Along with being a great mood stabiliser.

Helps with opiate withdrawals eh? to wat extent do they effect anything positive. how strong an addiction are we talkin here. how much chocolate is bein consumed and how often.

Very appreciative of any info shared, thanks

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Helps with opiate withdrawals eh? to wat extent do they effect anything positive. how strong an addiction are we talkin here. how much chocolate is bein consumed and how often.

Very appreciative of any info shared, thanks

Hey mu. I thought you may of chimed in here :wink:

Levels are at around 100mg Kapanol daily + at least 40-80mg Oxy on top for breakthru,

Sometimes 60mg MS Instead of Oxys.

Usually only gets to 3rd day withdrawal before refills.

It doesnt stop Cravings or Anything, But does ease the symptoms and generally makes it for me at least easier to deal with them!

Helps like said with night sweats, Keeps my moods on the upswing, Eases my bowel troubles, To a degree it helps ease RLS and Muscle Pain, (Wether this is Psychological or not I am unsure) and it has helped me replace Catapress for the Hypertension, Most likely by way of the actions of procyanids?

I usually consume equivelent to a large bar and half with around 60/70% cocoa solids.

I realise some of these actions go against the stimulating effects reported from theobromine so either i am some sort of freak or it is completley Placebo effect, whatever the case I will be sticking to my regieme whenever I hit those dreaded WD periods!

edited out info didnt need to be included!

Edited by DreamingNagual

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Let's disregard the Psilocybe connection for now.

You know my bias on the issue Tort, Quararibea is the only "Cacao" on the Xochi statue :wink:

But realistically I feel you are intuiting the correct path. Chocamine is certainly no joke in terms of effects, and who knows what synergistic effects are derived from the addition of funebri-lactones.

They still produce the traditional Tejate drink in Oaxaca, with heaps of both plants added. I read somewhere the Theobroma portion added is actually fermented first?

Edited by Sina

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Could you tell me more about this "Drink", what it contains and more info about "Cacahuaxochitl" (Quararibea funebris)???

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Or you could just, you know, use the sab search engine to look at the >2 page thread of compiled info on the plant.

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Or you could just, you know, use the sab search engine to look at the >2 page thread of compiled info on the plant.

:P:lol::P

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you didn't even post the link for him Sina ... so rude ... i was going to say nazimod, but there's something wrong about that

I love how Teotz bangs his head against a brick wall, or so his emoticon would suggest ... is there an emoticon for when a mod cuts himself ? again - wrong...apologies

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Now let's not derailed Torsten's nice thread.

Please, if you feel the need to make fun of me, do it here!

Now, I wanna hear more about "Food of the Gods".

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If you can be bothered to look picture 3 of the whistles has a stylized four petal flower with 4 depressions.

Can you ID the flower?

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http://www.oaxacatimes.com/html/tejate.html

Tejate - Oaxaca's Prehispanic Energy Drink

Tejate must be the most overlooked of Oaxaca’s culinary treats. Not served in restaurants nor listed in cookbooks together with the more popular recipes for amarillito or donaji cocktails, tejate is a centuries-old drink with lots of character.

It belongs to a large family of cacao-based drinks, of which chocolate is undoubtedly the most popular. Other similar regional drinks are Tabasco’s pozol and Chiapas’ tascalate. These, like tejate, contain roasted cacao seeds and corn, but tejate also includes other ingredients: mamey seeds and rosita de cacao or flor de cacao (from the Náhuatl word cacahuaxochitl) a flower from an endemic tree of Oaxaca, which, by the way, is not the flower of the cacao tree.

Tejateras, women who prepare and sell tejate, have inherited the secrets of tejate making process, which has not changed much in the last 1,000 years. All the ingredients are roasted, grounded and blended to form a thick mixture, which is gradually thinned with cold water. Part of the tradition is to do this by hand – and arm, as the whole limb goes into the tub where tejate is prepared.

Also known as “the drink of the gods”, this Oaxacan libation was originally reserved to the ruling classes of the Zapotec society. In Pre-Hispanic times, cacao was highly valued and was actually used as currency; it was also associated to divinity. With time, it became a popular treat; served ice-cold, tejate is a very refreshing thirst-quencher. Given its high nutritional content, men used to take it to the fields for the long and exhausting days of work and still today it is an important complement of the local diet.

However, it hasn’t become as popular as it could. One of the reasons is that tejate is not known outside Oaxaca. One of the key ingredients is nowhere to be found outside the state and as it can’t be preserved, tejate cannot travel far. Only Oaxaqueños and visitors have the chance to enjoy a nice gourd of tejate. Visitors, on the other hand, are quite reluctant to try it. At first sight, tejate might not be the most enticing, some visitors (and this includes Mexicans from outside Oaxaca) have said that its appearance is rustic and that it resembles foul sink water or curd. And if we add the fear of drinking water of dubious origin, tejate has had problems making it to the top-ten of the Oaxacan culinary hit parade.

However, tejate is beginning to emerge. Already for 6 years, a tejate fair has been held yearly during February in San Andrés Huyapan, the capital of tejate. An initiative of local women, the fair found many detractors who predicted failure but were proved wrong. Now, with the help of the Ministry of Tourism, the fair is an important tourist attraction.

Those who cannot make it to the fair, and even those who can’t make it to the state now have an alternative. After many years of research, Porfirio Santiago Santaella and Lino Silva Martínez (pictured above), found a way to commercialise tejate in a very hygienic, practical and attractive way. Without the need of additives, stabilisers or preservatives, these young Oaxaqueños packed a dehydrated powder that can be mixed with water to obtain a tejate as delicious as the best tejatera’s but with very low fat.

The idea originally was not only to develop a product that could be sold but to come up with a solution to one of the state’s most urgent problems: undernourishment. Having also found a way to enrich products with iron in a way that the taste is not altered, Santaella and Martinez wanted to make an enriched tejate that could complement children’s diet and prevent anaemia, which is caused mainly by the lack of iron. This goal has not been accomplished but negotiations with private and public sponsors and investors are leading them there.

Tejatli, the commercial name of their product, can be bought in most natural and organic food stores in Oaxaca, and in markets around town; however, for a full tejate experience the traditional rite of drinking tejate in big gulps from a pumpkin gourd bowl must be tried.

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The anemia thing is kinda ghoulishly intriguing.

Further north the vanished mound people of possibly Ohio?also had malnutrition issues from the corn diet as i recall.

The serpent eating,and i speculate,its own egg is the best known.

The indiginous peoples of both were stone age although copper/gold ornaments from the middle and lower Americas have been plundered by museums.

The grave of one unforrtunate had a lot of blood red Cinnabar,a symbolic heavenly afterlife?

So the alloy or bronze age had almost occured,but no iron age.

If you have obsidian maybe you need not bother with metallurgy?

Is iron in short supply still due to diet or paucity of iron in the region?

Mexico itself has a lot of limestone and gypsum and of course silver and lead but maybe not much iron?

Pre columbian leafy vegetables,did they eat them?

Much Iron?

Livestock?

Paucity of soils today sees goats savaging the Ariocarpus,maybe no time for animal husbandry due to wars and hence no iron from animals and their organs?

Wars caused by resources and who has them.

Mention of prisoners taken for killing but no tales of livestock seized.

Could it be much of the Aztec world was anaemic and actually the church has sanitized the cannibalism?

Moctezuma must have been amazed these Spaniard were not only not anaemic but had surplus iron about their persons.

It would explain why Cortez found it so easy to subdue the nation.

Have you eaten the flesh of man? of Peyote?

I see that inquisition a little clearer now.

Edited by Garbage

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I see Peppers apparently are a good source of Iron,but originate further south from Mexico,and the Aztecs had no livestock!

Cannibalism or even exsanguination has been found to have occured in Mexico by archaeologists digging up 'eaten' captured Spaniards.

Moving on from empirical evidence i feel the food of the Gods would seem to be a tonic drank whilst the gods are present.

The gods are of course manifested in the man who eats and becomes the flesh of the gods,the gods are present,he holds the gods within him,they act through him.

A tonic for the person/nation/god that is anaemic?

I use the assumption that it's blood.

Blood was the food of the god's,you woudn't want it cold and coagulated so fresh from a still beating heart atop your ziggurat seems to suggest you are the power in the land.

Toss the rest to the subjects.

The question of which gods can be linked to which drugs is more complex.

Tlaloc is also known as he who makes things sprout,where does one begin?

It's not even known if they really the drank blood or not,certainly there is not much to be gained by simply cutting out someones heart or trying to eat it raw.

But consider that there were waring tribes each with a drug using hierarchy,depersonalisation maybe the key,if you take the drug you become the manifestation of the god.

Laughing sickness and haughtiness anyone?

You are at war for scant resources and actually cannibalism began before discovery of these drugs.

You may well know your enemy and know them too well,you may know them as the food of the gods.

As you are too.

They exist outside of a single perception,seemingly everywhere.

And if you didnt think that then why are you so rewarded by them living as good as it gets without the anaemic symptoms you see about you.

They knew they were doomed so the story goes,that and the mysterious returning whiteman.

Edited by Garbage

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