Starward Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Just over two years ago I planted OP Trichocereus Pachanoi Timewarp seeds from NZ. They have really come picked up speed and their growth is vigorous as is supposedly expected from Timewarp. I have noted two distinct spine form. About 3/4 have the usual short spine Pachanoi form, and then 1/4 show a far longer length and more numerous spines count, reminding me of a Peuruvianus. According to a NZ seller Timewarp Quote Trichocereus pachanoi “Time Warp” has mostly very short spines and is a fast grower. The spine form is no related to maturity of the plant as both big and small plants show both forms. Is this diversity usual and does anyone know what causes this variation? Is it possible that some are following their mother the Timewarp and some are following the spine form of their father because they would have inherited both genes. I have also noted that these are pupping machines. With several two year old plants throwing several pups. Teenage pregnancies I am calling them. These are the long spines These are the short spines These are an example of pups Edited February 12 by Starward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachumacallit Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think natural variation is to be expected in any batch of seed. Those longer-spined progeny look suspiciously Peruvianoid. And those shorter ones, more typically Pachanoid. Being OP, could it mean that some of the seedlings came from different fathers? (Sorry, but my knowledge of botany is rudimentary at best.) Love those woolly areola. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starward Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, wachumacallit said: Those longer-spined progeny look suspiciously Peruvianoid Had the same thought. - I know amongst drug bro's Peuruvianus are are not sought after but they are some of my favorite morphology. 1 hour ago, wachumacallit said: Love those woolly areola. They are lovely 🤩 @wachumacallit When you settle in after moving happy to gift you one of these. Could be that the seller mixed two fruit pollinated by two different fathers from the same Timewarp mother together. Edited February 12 by Starward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saguaro Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I agree the long-spined ones look peruvianoid. Since it's OP, whatever compatible Trichocereus that was flowering nearby at the time could have pollinated the Timewarp parent. 19 hours ago, Starward said: Could be that the seller mixed two fruit pollinated by two different fathers from the same Timewarp mother together. Potentially. Seeds from the same fruit can also arise from pollination by different staminate parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starward Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, saguaro said: pollination by different staminate parents. It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective for the plant to be able to be fertilized multiple times by multiple pollen donors. Unlike human females, who will generally allow a single sperm to fertilize a single egg at a time. Imagine if a human female fell pregnant at the same time to a dozen different men. BOOM. PS. AS a side note - The Timewarp X peruvianoid are smaller and slower growing then the Timewarp X pachanoi. Edited February 13 by Starward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saguaro Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 hours ago, Starward said: Imagine if a human female fell pregnant at the same time to a dozen different men. BOOM. Good thing trichos don't need to pay child support 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starward Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, saguaro said: Good thing trichos don't need to pay child support They don't need to they just cuckold us, and like any cuckold husband we are glad for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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