2026 Book: Home made LSI from HBWR seeds in 3 super simple steps, a more euphoric, colorful, musical LSD

[tregar]

 

Hello shaman australis, you may remember me as tregar from thenook.org (now defunct cactus & mescaline forum), been long time reader here. 

A review has popped up of book: USA: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA: Stahl, Matthew Ray: 9798218881634: Amazon.com: Books

Australia: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA eBook : Stahl, Matthew : Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

Mycotopia link (top contributor, botanical guru, top poster, Spiritual guide): LSI, ancient LSD, secret of the Eleusis Kykeon - Botanicals - Mycotopia

Main thread on book with questions and answers: (21) Lysergamides - LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA | Bluelight.org

This subject is also being discussed here at Hamilton Morris reddit: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA : r/HamiltonMorris

and another Hamilton Morris reddit on subject: Clarification on lysergamide adducts : r/HamiltonMorris

Author was interviewed on Dr. Mckenna's podcast Brainforest Cafe, going up April 20, 2026: Podcast McKenna Academy of Natural Philosophy | Archives and new 7 page article on LSI at Graham Hancock's site soon: The Official Graham Hancock Website - Graham Hancock Official Website

I am a long time bodybuilder: (65) 25mg MK677 bloodwork FAQ = 4iu pharm grade HGH (used 25mg mk677 for 6 months out of the year for 5 years straight with 7 bloodworks)

Very Important updates: The author at bluelight and Shaman Australis forum (ethnobotany section) provided updates to his chapter 5 relaying the following:

 

1) The 2 stirring steps illustrated in Chapter 5 can be reduced from 20 minutes, to only 10 minutes each. It shortens the overall procedure time nearly in half.

 

2) and that DL tartaric acid powder or just "plain TARTARIC acid powder used in wine making available worldwide" (not citric acid) should be the only acid powder used that the author used over 5 years ago during the Eleusis kykeon and Vedic SOMA highly successful experiments, so it is very helpful to read about the progression of theoretical simulation steps updated later. Citric acid does not work, only tartaric acid powder works (available worldwide), as described in book.

 

Again, the author notes process only worked extremely well every time when using tartaric acid powder ONLY, not citric acid. He notes it does not have to be DL tartaric acid but can be just plain tartaric acid powder used in wine making, available worldwide.

 

In the book is described how the LSA from 25 HBWR seeds LSA converted to LSI felt exactly like 100ug LSD, and how 40 HBWR seeds LSA converted to LSI felt exactly like 170ug LSD or 550mg mescaline. The experience is noted as being even better than LSD as LSI incorporates an extra carbon molecule which makes it much more like mescaline than LSD, even more euphoric, colorful, and music enhancing than LSD.

 

Brian Muraresku's book "The Immorality Key" also relates directly to not only the author's book on LSI but also William Scott Shelley's book here at amazon called "SOMA and the Indo-European Priesthood".

1) The experience lasts 8 strong anxiety free hours with a 10 hour duration
2) There is a pleasant stimulation all night long into the wee hours of the morning, just like ALD-52 or mescaline exerts
3) The strength becomes stronger and stronger until she reaches a peak 3.5 hours in
4) There are profound Spiritual revelations, insights and intense healing, she is a feminine teaching spirit.
5) A brilliant diamond like shimmering of all visuals, infinitely fascinating
6) Tracers with open eyes as powerful as lightning strikes, none of the choppiness of LSD visuals, rather the visuals are flowing.
7) Intense, bold neon-like colors are seen all night, just like a combo of ALD-52 + mescaline, far, far more colorful than LSD. I have seen neon colors like purple-yellows, red-greens, and orange-blues that don't belong on this earth
😎 Infinite way over the top euphoria felt all night (just like a combo of ALD-52 + mescaline). Anyone who has ever had cactus understands the mescaline euphoria I am talking about.
9) The beauty seen with open eyes is infinite and divine, no words to describe. This was one of the main reasons I took this psychedelic, the enhancement of beauty is just so over the top, extreme and heavenly.
10) The closed eye-colored geometrics seen which progress to real visions the longer the eyes are kept closed are just like what you see on a combination of LSD + mescaline, hundreds and hundreds of way beyond 4k visions many of them playing as if in a movie.
11) The music enhancement is just incredible and heavenly. I've felt more with this LSI, LSV and LSCr combo than with any traditional psychedelic except for mescaline that I was an extraterrestrial being, immersing myself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. Where LSD heightens and clarifies the sense of hearing, this Eleusis kykeon brew simulation produces auditory hallucinations, heightening the hearing sense but also causing sounds to be quite different than normal. I am a music lover and always listened to house music most of the night during the experiences, as on LSI, LSV & LSCr combo, every instrument and beautiful voice stands out on its own, every song is "epic". Like hearing a song for the very first time.
12) As for aphrodisiacal use of LSI, LSV & LSCr combo, wow! it brought energies out of me that I never knew I had.
13) There is zero or no anxiety with this potent 3 psychedelic combo, just like with ALD-52. This would explain why there were no bad trips reported in the Eleusis Kykeon literature.
14) There are no physical side effects: no body load, no nausea, no vasoconstriction, no cramping, just pure psychedelic bliss.
15) The next morning (I would typically get 6 hours sleep after the experience) I felt re-born with a massive serotonin "reset". I would go walking in nature with my shih tzus the following morning and all of nature looked as if brand new with a curiosity of nature's divinity.

Note: Morning glory seeds did not work, only HBWR seeds worked to simulate the kykeon and Vedic SOMA in the experiments in the book ages ago...my results with up to 150 morning glory seeds were extremely disappointing (even below threshold effects), I believe the mg seeds are mainly 75% clavine alkaloids with less than 25% LSA, the levels of LSA in mg seeds being probably around .001mg per seed vs HBWR seeds at .04mg per seed. The morning glory seeds resulted in zero entheogenic effects, no euphoria, no stimulation, no visuals, and even no physical symptoms like dilated pupils.

Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA theoretical simulation Materials list:

1) 25 HBWR seeds, approximately .04mg LSA per seed.
2) 0.001g scale
3) One oversized shot glass for the spinning of the seed dust, and one regular shot glass for the fridge, and a 6 ounce half pint tall canning jar 4" tall x 2.75" wide.
4) magnetic stirrer with 3/8" x 1" long stir bar that can spin easily and fast inside the shot glass or canning jar.
5) everclear (95% grain alcohol or similar high proof alcohol)
6) coffee grinder
7) mortar and pestal
😎 long pyrex brownie dish (9" wide x 15" long)
9) 2 razor blades
10) a fan, and a hair dryer to use for last 5 minutes of water evaporation from the pyrex dish (optional)
11) 3 grams of the secret herbal substance very high in isovaleraldehyde, valeraldehyde & crotonaldehyde.
12) distilled or spring water
13) For the chapter 5 three super simple steps with sketch illustrations: DL tartaric acid powder can be used or plain tartaric acid used in wine making (available worldwide). I give amounts of DL tartaric acid or PLAIN TARTARIC ACID powder to use, 30mg in beginning, and 10mg on last step. The 2 stirring steps can be condensed down from 20 minutes each, down to 10 minutes each, shortening the overall procedure time.

--> The few easy steps from Chapter 5 are in the book, drawn as black and white sketches, most of the time is spent waiting 10 minutes between the 3 basic steps. <-- LSI is forming internally (in vivo) in the liver, this is all explained in book. A new home made TLC performed (1.24.26) even shows LSI (new indole product) forming externally with stirring in water acidified to ph=4 for at least 10 minutes. I compared before and after home made TLC of LSA extract (before) with LSI + LSV + LSCr extract combo (after stirring). So this can form not only externally with stirring, but in the liver as well.

 

See page 4, post # 65: (22) Lysergamides - LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA | Page 4 | Bluelight.org

Allylbenzene said:

I'm thinking that people using high doses have been either ingesting the seeds themselves or using extracts which have included the more problematic substances. Imo neither of those approaches are appropriate.

Allylbenzene is correct, it's the crushed seed shell fragments that cause nausea, follow the instructions in my book in Chapter 5, illustrated with pictures...we are leaving behind the nausea causing seed fragments from the HBWR seeds at the bottom of the shot glass, these dust like fragments STICK to the bottom of the shot glass and get throw away, 100% eliminating nausea and any side effects, as the 1oz everclear (95% grain alcohol spirit) contain the active alkaloids which we pour off into the brownie dish and evaporate the everclear (or other high proof alcohol you want to use) leaving behind the pure LSA extract which we then scrape up with two razor blades, add this pure LSA extract to 2oz water, pour in your 3g of AOJIRU young barley grass powder from the individual nitrogen sealed packet (come 46 to a box) and stir for 10 minutes using a magnetic stirrer (cheap from amazon) and consume for a profound psychedelic experience even better than LSD imho, like a combination of ALD-52 (anxiety free version of LSD also discovered by Dr. Hoffman) and mescaline combined, my absolute favorite psychedelic.

I promise you even with 40 seed extract converted to LSI + LSV (equivalent to 160ug LSD) there are ZERO side effects, no nausea, cramping or vasoconstriction at all, complete infinite euphoric psychedelic bliss for the entire night: 8 strong hours with 10 hour duration.

I hear your concern flame_assay, you can do as Allylbenzene states above, or do what I did in the very beginning: -->I started out with just 5 seeds and noticed it felt about like 20ug LSD, then I went up to 25 seeds which felt like (25 x .04mg per seed) = 100ug LSD, then I moved up to 30 seeds which felt exactly like (30 x .04mg LSA per seed ) = 120ug LSD, then I moved up to 40 seeds (40 x .04mg LSA per seed) = 160ug LSD.

This may help you to feel more comfortable, see here how Kash (very well respected, author of the LSA extract TEK) used up to 40 seeds:

Kash said in the thread “Kash’s advanced LSA extraction” back in 2012:
Kash's Advanced LSA Extraction - LSD, LSA, LSH - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Just took a 40 HBWR seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. It was very clean and relaxing. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid-like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. The whole trip was about 8 hrs long. I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.

Kash is correct, in that if the LSA is not mixed with 3grams of the Aojiru 100% Japan domestic grown young barley grass powder, the experience is just like your typical LSA experience: uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals. LSI and LSV are stimulating and VERY POTENT psychedelics on the other hand. Don't use peppermint oil as it contains 100 times less isovaleraldehyde as barley, always use AOJIRU barley, it comes in 3grams nitrogen sealed packs. Just snip open the pack and pour it into your 2oz (60ml water) with the LSA extract, spin for 10 minutes, and consume.

Keep in mind, we are extracting PURE LSA from the HBWR seeds, then converting it to LSI + LSV (main alkaloids) in record time in 3 super simple steps. There is ZERO or no side effects, as we are leaving the nausea causing seed pulp behind at the bottom of the shot glass, which gets thrown away.

For decades, people have been consuming the whole seeds crushed, which is the wrong way, as the seed pulp is what is nauseating and has side effects galore, the pure LSA has none of this at all, just like Kash notes above.

Start off with just 5 seeds if you want, just as I did....I was cautious just like you in the beginning.

I have taken 40 seeds (equivalent to 160ug of LSD) x twice now, spaced 1 month apart, and she is my all time favorite psychedelic, that I will respect for the rest of my life:
She is even better than LSD imho: No anxiety, hours and hours of closed eye colored visions just like LSD, extreme mescaline like euphoria all night, just as colorful and music enhancing as mescaline, tracers as powerful as lightning strikes, whereas LSD can have choppy visuals, the visuals are flowing with LSI, continuous diamond like shimmering of all visuals, LSI is the most bad ass psychedelic equal to mescaline and Ayahuasca that I've ever had the pleasure of trying, yes, she is that good, and she is super cheap to make, with no nastiness to the 2oz brew, down in 2 gulps.

As there is zero or no anxiety with LSI + LSV, I plan on even taking her at 40 seed dose converted to LSI + LSV and walk down the street and trip all morning and early afternoon long at one of the world's largest waterparks, which we live down the street from.

I know this will be absolutely incredible! As I used to take zero nausea bridgesii cactus tea at least 20 times at the waterpark. This LSI + LSV is just as incredible as mescaline, my other all time favorite psychedelic.

From 2.1.2026:

This time I stirred for only 10 minutes for each of the 2 stirring steps (instead of 20 minutes each) and it worked just as well as before, it shortens the procedure time in half. Instructions in chapter 5, 3 super simple steps illustrated. You can use 40mg pure ascorbic acid (pure vitamin C powder) for the 1st stirring step, and 20mg pure vitamin C powder for the last stirring step, works just as well as DL tartaric acid or citric acid.

The LSA residue scraped up from the pyrex dish (40 seeds) LSA weighed 180mg, took this LSA residue and stirred it in 60ml water with the 3g of aojiru for only 10 minutes, and drank, just incredible.

Read the last few sample pages from ebook to learn of the dozen bad ass psychedelic effects from LSI + LSV: Amazon.com

--> Remember, even though LSI + LSV is stimulating just like LSD, it's way easier to fall asleep on than after LSD, I can take LSI + LSV 2oz brew at 3pm, and be able to fall asleep at midnight, whereas with LSD, I would still be up till 3 or 4am in the morning, a huge benefit to this very powerful no anxiety LSI + LSV Sacred ancient Elixir <--

Search amazon for "LSD", the book has been in the #1 spot for weeks now, with over 60 copies sold in 1 month, which is good as I will be able to make sizeable donations here to hip forums every 3 months to help support its operation. Don't forget my interview with Dr. Mckenna goes up in just a few days: Podcast McKenna Academy of Natural Philosophy | Archives

perpetualdawn said:

Wow young barley greens eh? Not what I expected at all. I can't find anything published talking about isovaleraldehyde, valeraldehyde and crotonaldehyde content in aojiru, how do you know this @tregar?

 1-s2.0-S2212429222000074-main-2.pdf 3.29MB 41 downloads

Assessing the product quality and biological activities of barley Hordeum vulgare L grasses at different harvest times, 2022, see PAGE 5, ALDEHYDE TABLE:

Isovaleraldehyde, Valeraldehyde & Crotonaldehyde levels eclipse the levels of the other 10 aldehydes in young barley, resulting in a triple action LSI, LSV and LSCr experience when simulating the Eleusis Kykeon. Aldehydes strongest at Z21 young growth stage:

Propionaldehyde = 2.18
Isobutyraldehyde = 1.41
Butyraldehyde = 0.69
2-methylbutyraldehyde = 2.28
→ Isovaleraldehyde or Butanal = 7.52 (converts LSA to LSI)
Hexanal = 3.73
Trans-2-hexenal = 1.60
Trans-2,4-heptadienal = 1.17
Benzaldehyde = 1.12
2,6,6-trimethyl-1-cyclohexene-1-carboxaldehyde .3
→ Valeraldehyde = 13.40 (converts LSA to LSV)
→ Crotonaldehyde or 2-Butenal = 7.63 (converts LSA to LSCr)
2-hexenal = 1.39

The levels of isovaleraldehyde in AOJIRU young barley grass powder is x100 (one hundred times) the levels found in peppermint, which is what we need (these super strong levels of these 3 aldehydes to form LSI + LSV + LSCr) for a profound triple psychedelic action when the 2oz Sacred Psychedelic Elixir is consumed.

VERY IMPORTANT: beware fake HBWR seeds.

fake HBWR - indian? what to do?

The main difference between varieties is that the speciosa variety is used medicinally in ayurvedic medicine and the nervosa strain has high LSA alkaloid content. It makes little difference where the strains are grown, but most seed originating from India and Africa is of the speciosa variety and thus low in LSA.

LOW LSA seeds will not work, just like morning glory seeds will not work as they have only 25% lsa and 75% clavine alkaloids.

Only authentic Authentic Argyreia Nervosa works as they are .04mg LSA per seed:

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I use only authentic Argyreia Nervosa from Hawaii, A+ organic hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, I get 400 seeds per order, and have hid away literally thousands of the seeds, as the conversion of 40 seeds to LSI is exactly like 550mg of the heavenly mescaline. My all time favorite psychedelic.

Zero side effects, zero vasoconstriction, zero sedation, zero nausea when my easy 3 step procedure is followed.

Tartaric acid used in wine making and baking available worldwide (30mg on 1st stirring step) and 10mg on 2nd or last stirring step works perfectly, no difference from DL tartaric acid. I tripped my ass off on 40 seeds converted last sunday to LSI using plain tartaric acid I bought for $8 on line used in wine making, took only 55 minutes to prepare as illustrations show. Only two 10 minute stirring steps, and 35 minutes waiting during evaporation step. Most of time is spent waiting between the 3 simple steps.

Felt identical to 550mg mescaline, out of this world neon colors all night, extreme euphoria, hours of way beyond 4k closed eye colored visions, infinite music enhancement, a pleasant stimulation all the way from 3pm when drank till midnight when I fell asleep. Intense healing and profound spiritual insights, profound shifting of colors and textures, powerful tracers, far better than LSD imho, no choppiness to the visuals but rather the visuals are flowing, magical open eye visuals, swimming in euphoria all night.Same exact power as 160ug LSD.

Search USA Amazon for "LSD" book is often #1 best seller under LSD, or see here: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA: Stahl, Matthew Ray: 9798218881634: Amazon.com: Books

kindle version opens on a phone with downloaded kindle app: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA - Kindle edition by Stahl, Matthew . Professional & Technical Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Full blow up pic of the seeds I used (last post #36): https://mycotopia.net/topic/112442-lsi-ancient-lsd-secret-of-the-eleusis-kykeon/page-2

 

Last edited: Yesterday at 7:54 AM

 

Edited Friday at 01:22 PM by tregar

[saguaro]

Wow! Inspiring work, thanks for sharing.

[Starward]

Very Interesting, I cannot wait for other to replicated your method.

 

If it turns out to be verified by others, @tregar would have contributed significantly to resolving two great mysteries in psychedelic history.

 

And shortly afterwards to having your book banned by the government, under new emergency legislation.

Edited February 8 by Starward

[tregar]

Thanks for the kind words saguaro and Starward, pleasure to meet you both. When I was at the nook.org we would regularly correspond with our friends here at Corroboree and cross post the excellent cactus growing advice given here to the nook's growing subforum. I was known as a professional chemist at the nook, which is still my current occupation. I have grown bridgesii on my patio for many years. My book has a chapter on how to make Zero Nausea bridgesii cactus tea, took it at waterpark many times, some of the best times of my life (former 3 summer deep water lifeguard at same park). 

 

Below is a link to the Australian kindle (opens on a phone, download the free kindle app to view) version of book in color. Even opens on a pc. Has illustrations in Chapter 5 of the few simple steps from seeds to LSI. 

 

LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA eBook : Stahl, Matthew : Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

 

My wife and I constantly watch Australian movies and TV on netflix, and watch the 4k you tube videos of walking in Australia. You have such gorgeous people, beaches and nature. We would love to live there. I know psychedelic guru Julian Palmer from Australia: About Me - Julian Palmer He likes house music like me from his bio. 

Edited February 8 by tregar

[wachumacallit]

Does HBWR come in different strains, or is there just the one variety? 

 

[tregar]

Wachumacallit said:

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Does HBWR come in different strains, or is there just the one variety? 

Good question Wachumacallit. Authentic Argyreia Nervosa is the proper one, my book in chapter 5 (illustrated pictures) shows what they look like and how much for example 25 seeds weigh, what 30 seeds weigh, etc. They are black and brown mix in color. I have definitely seen them available in Australia from different botanicals when searching for Authentic argyreia nervosa. Some are even 100% Organic and Australian Grown argyreia nervosa herbalistics wink wink . 5g seeds is 50 seeds, 10g is 100 seeds. They are grown all over the world, but originate in India, just as my book explains in the chapter on SOMA.

 

See post #1: 

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I have taken 40 seeds converted to LSI + LSV + LSCr 60ml brew (equivalent to 160ug of LSD) x twice now, spaced 1 month apart, and she is my all time favorite psychedelic, that I will respect for the rest of my life:
She is even better than LSD imho: No anxiety, hours and hours of closed eye colored visions just like LSD, extreme mescaline like euphoria all night, just as colorful and music enhancing as mescaline, tracers as powerful as lightning strikes, whereas LSD can have choppy visuals, the visuals are flowing with LSI, continuous diamond like shimmering of all visuals, LSI is the most bad ass psychedelic equal to mescaline and Ayahuasca that I've ever had the pleasure of trying, yes, she is that good, and she is super cheap to make, with no nastiness to the 2oz brew, down in 2 gulps.

As there is zero or no anxiety with LSI + LSV, I plan on even taking her at 40 seed dose converted to LSI + LSV and walk down the street and trip all morning and early afternoon long at one of the world's largest waterparks, which we live down the street from. I know this will be absolutely incredible! As I used to take zero nausea bridgesii cactus tea at least 20 times at the waterpark. This LSI + LSV is just as incredible as mescaline, my other all time favorite psychedelic.

 

This time I stirred for only 10 minutes for each of the 2 stirring steps (instead of 20 minutes each) and it worked just as well as before, it shortens the procedure time in half. Instructions in chapter 5, 3 super simple steps illustrated. You can use 40mg pure ascorbic acid (pure vitamin C powder) for the 1st stirring step, and 20mg pure vitamin C powder for the last stirring step, works just as well as DL tartaric acid or citric acid.

The LSA residue scraped up from the pyrex dish (40 seeds) LSA weighed 180mg, took this LSA residue and stirred it in 60ml water with the 3g of aojiru for only 10 minutes, and drank, just incredible.

 

The most amazing part of all of this is that AFTER I discovered LSI and LSV (same chemical formula, both forming with stirring in acidic water) as I mentioned to Dr. Mckenna towards the end of the broadcast, is that I cracked open the book "SOMA and the Indo-European Priesthood, Cereal Cultivation and the Origins of Religion" to provide additional references for my book, and discovered by accident that Shelley (also the author of the book "The Elixir" about the Eleusis kykeon) said at least 5 times in his book that SOMA (likely the Indian originating HBWR seeds) is mixed with barley. Dr. Mckenna also found this very fascinating, so much so that he is providing a link to Shelley's book attached to the Brainforest podcast on LSI going up next week on Feb 14 Valentines day: https://mckenna.academy/mka-podcast/

 

(SHELLEY, 2018):

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SOMA is mixed with barley, and SOMA is the color of barley

Which is exactly what I am doing when I am mixing the LSA with barley (source of aldehydes) to form LSI + LSV + LSCr. Similar to the cover of my book, the women poured the psychedelic elixir for the men seated or reclining before the fire.

 

(RATSCH, 2005) On page 65 of the “The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants”, Christian Ratsch said:

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The baby Hawaiian wood rose is a strong possible candidate for the SOMA plant, which was described as a vine.

 

The Secret herb or cereal grain: This Aojiru or 100% Japan domestic grown Young Barley Grass Powder comes available in individual 3 gram nitrogen sealed packets with a golden green color very high in the 3 aldehydes. Barley was one of the most respected cereal grains of the Rigveda. Barley (yara) was ground, cooked into meals, and even offered during rituals. The SOMA was said to be a golden green color, just like my Kykeon or SOMA brew when this 3 gram herb from the packet is mixed together with the LSA extract (extracted from the Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds in 2 super easy steps), see post #1 of this thread for a list of over the counter few materials needed.

 

(BAKELS, 2003) The Soviet archeologist Viktor Sarianidi wrote that he had discovered vessels and mortars used to prepare SOMA in Zoroastrian temples in the Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex. He said that the vessels have revealed residues and seed impressions left behind during the preparation of soma. The HBWR seed originates in India, but is now grown all over the world.

 

I also used vessels, mortars and pestles in Chapter 5 to prepare a combo of LSI + LSV + LSCr from the extract of HBWR seeds combined with a single packet of AoJiru or 100% Japan domestic grown young barley grass cereal grain drunk in the highly successful experiments. SOMA is a Vedic Sanskrit word that literally means “distill, extract, sprinkle”, often connected in the context of rituals. Which is what I do in the book in 3 simple illustrated steps. 

 

Mycotopia thread: download 2022 paper on the sky high levels of the 3 important aldehydes in Aojiru young barley grass from post #21 here: https://mycotopia.net/topic/112442-lsi-ancient-lsd-secret-of-the-eleusis-kykeon/page-2 

 

2022, see PAGE 5, ALDEHYDE TABLE: Isovaleraldehyde, Valeraldehyde & Crotonaldehyde (2-Butenal) levels eclipse the levels of the other 10 aldehydes in young barley, resulting in a triple action LSI, LSV and LSCr experience when simulating the Sacred Eleusis Kykeon & Vedic SOMA 2oz (60ml) brew or Elixir. 

 

I would suggest reading the 5 star book review from "Elizabeth" to understand how the discovery works as it is related to a Lysergamide discovery by Dr. Nichols (LSD scientist Purdue University): LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA eBook : Stahl, Matthew : Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

 

 

Edited February 9 by tregar

[saguaro]

Planting of barley crops would have traditionally occurred approx. one month after the Eleusinian Mysteries. As you say these young barley sprouts are rich in aldehydes around the Z21 stage.

 

I guess there's no reason to rule out the possibility of the ancients growing seedlings separately for this purpose 2 months before traditional farming cycles.

Edited February 10 by saguaro

[Micromegas]

 

The Corroboree lives! Epic post tregar.

[Alchemica]

A psychiatrist asked me about this very concept after it was mentioned to him and below was my reply. We're on the same page for the gist of it @tregar ?

"Yeah the concept of adding aldehydes to enhance the potency of LSAs has been a fringe thing for a long time. Even things as wild add peppermint to condense with the LSAs before consuming etc etc. It's not all totally without some slight merit It's been proposed that the LSH and LSA (LSA is actually a decomposition product of LSH in the seeds) is converting to the 1-aldehyde condensation products (with the bottom of the NH group on the indole), see my sketch.

 

"For 2 decades people have been thinking that LSA is turning into LSH, but no such thing can happen without a catalysts and long chemical procedure."



I'd agree that in my mind, it's probably not likely the -CONHR amide at the top of the LSA molecule is being modified to give new amides that are more active, rather something simpler? The amides that are already formed in the seeds are unlikely to undergo chemical reactions at that -CON- region simply by adding an aldehyde The formation of condensation products (such as the aldimine) at the 1-indolic N position seems to occur on structurally related molecules and one could speculate that these substitutions could impact potency, compare to ALD-52/1P-LSD etc if they are stable. It's been studied on simple tryptophan derivatives like indole-3-acetic acid, IAA in:

"Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone: Possible role in ethanol toxicity" https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.89.18.8439

"...condensation with the primary aldehyde took place, followed by that with the alcohol to produce stable derivatives" IAA + CH3CHO (acetaldehyde) --> IAA>N-CH(CH3)-OH (indole N- 1-substituted aldimine) Thing is, these compounds are quite unstable and hydrolyse easily and would probably rapidly be destroyed in vivo but the N-acyl hemiaminal in combination with an alcohol might be more stable. On adding ethanol, a stable derivative could be formed: IAA>N-CH(CH3)-O-C2H5

Tryptophan analogues require both an aldehyde and an alcohol to form stable adducts.

LSA is an ergoline alkaloid with an indole structure as its core, and aldehydes (such as isovaleraldehyde, valeraldehyde, and crotonaldehyde) could possibly form a stable adduct with LSA in vivo via a simple condensation reaction forming LSI, LSV, and LSCRr etc

See more: https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/hkieqc/alchemy_conversion_of_lsh_lsa_in_morning_glory_to/ https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/lsi-ancient-lsd-secret-of-the-eleusis-kykeon-and-vedic-soma.950819/

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Saguaro said:

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Planting of barley crops would have traditionally occurred approx. one month after the Eleusinian Mysteries. As you say these young barley sprouts are rich in aldehydes around the Z21 stage.I guess there's no reason to rule out the possibility of the ancients growing seedlings separately for this purpose 2 months before traditional farming cycles.

Yes!

 

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The Corroboree lives! Epic post tregar.

Thanks for the kind words Micromegas. I would love to contribute to this valuable site to keep her running forever, which I plan to do once every 3 months. Search my user name to see that I contributed many years ago on subject Myristicin. 

 

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more: https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/hkieqc/alchemy_conversion_of_lsh_lsa_in_morning_glory_to/ https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/lsi-ancient-lsd-secret-of-the-eleusis-kykeon-and-vedic-soma.950819/

 

Nice research there Alchemica, yes I wrote the paper at reddit you dug up there ages ago with the pics of LSA and LSH. I write about my earlier discovery of LSH in the book, however LSI is WAY, WAY, WAY beyond LSH. LSI is like a combination of ALD-52 (anxiety free version of LSD also discovered by Dr. Hoffman) combined with mescaline, just as powerful as LSD but no anxiety! I love, love, love her!

 

I can feel this extra carbon donated from isovaleraldehyde and valeraldehyde are hitting all the extra adrenal receptors (A2A, A2B, A2C) and beyond that mescaline and DMT both hit with great strength, while LSD only hits one adrenal receptor (A2A). No other herb on the planet has this magnificent  very high levels of all 3 aldehydes forming LSI, LSV, and LSCr for a triple psychedelic combo that feels exactly like a combo of ALD-52 and mescaline at the same time to me. 

 

LSI is forming from LSA + isovaleraldehyde with stirring at ph=4, but is also forming in the liver via an in-vivo condensation reaction, isovaleraldehyde is an 
aldehyde, these aldehydes are attracted to the "NH" amide of LSA like a magnet, and condense onto LSA forming LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldamide, where it reaches the brain from the liver. 

 

Under specific acidic conditions involving catalysts to speed up the reaction, chemists can force amides and aldehydes to form new condensation products. Aldehydes and the N-H group of amides such as our LSA are attracted to each other primarily through hydrogen bonding and dipole-dipole interactions. These intermolecular forces influence the physical properties and potential chemical reactions between the two types of molecules.

 

In the 1992 paper titled "Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone: Possible role in ethanol toxicity," researchers James E. Austin and Heinz Fraenkel-Conrat demonstrated that while some tryptophan analogues require both an aldehyde and an alcohol to form stable adducts, others—specifically unsubstituted indole (our LSA)—can form adducts with aldehydes alone in vivo (in the liver) or with stirring in acidified water to form LSI, LSV and LSCr.  pnas01092-0040.pdf

 

Yes, since LSA from the HBWR seeds (makes up 83% of the seed alkaloids) is an indole ergoline, it easily forms adducts WITHOUT THE USE OF ALCOHOL with isovaleraldehyde, valeraldehyde, and crotonaldehyde to form LSI + LSV + LSCr. No alcohol is required when forming adducts with indole, just incubation or stirring in acidified water for 10 minutes (hence the use of the cheap magnetic stirrer from amazon). 

 

My brew is 60ml (2oz) and is non-alcoholic, no nastiness to the brew, just a slight herbal taste from the 3grams of Aojiru young barley grass powder (available worldwide from amazon or auction or stores) which supplies the 3 aldehydes in sky high amounts, which is what we need to form LSI + LSV + LSCr, for a triple psychedelic action when the Sacred Elixir is consumed. 

 

My discovery (isovaleraldehyde) and Dr. Nichol's discovery (3-aminopentane) are both extremely similar, see how Dr. Nichol's has a paper on line about his discovery called "LSD and it's Lysergamide Cousins" from the Heffter institute, link below. 

My discovery of isovaleraldehyde relates directly to Dr. Nichols discovery:

1) This aldehyde: isovaleraldehyde discovery that works has 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogens just like 3-aminopentane which was found by Dr. Nichols to have activity very similar to LSD in the rat assays, as the rats reacted to it as if they had been given LSD. Anything beyond this, like cinnamaldehyde with a very high molecular weight has way too many carbons and hydrogens (almost double) and will result in weak effects, as it does not fit into the receptor.

2) The important thing to note from the Dr. Nichol's table, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16. Entry 16 is 3-aminopentane, and has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight.

3) Isovaleraldehyde looks identical to the tail end of DMT and psilocin once it condenses onto the amide (NH) of LSA with the exact same number of carbons and hydrogens with the same chemical formula of CHO CH2 CH2 2(CH3). 

4) BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.

 

See table 3, entry 16 for 3-aminopentane which is extremely similar to my discovery of the aldehyde: isovaleraldehyde and valeraldehyde in young barley grass:

 

chap6.pdf

 

I promise everyone, this LSI + LSV + LSCr is the most incredible psychedelic that I plan to respect once a month for the rest of my life, she is absolutely incredible:

 

I have taken 40 seeds (equivalent to 160ug of LSD) x twice now, spaced 1 month apart, and she is my all time favorite psychedelic, that I will respect for the rest of my life: She is even better than LSD imho: No anxiety, hours and hours of closed eye colored visions just like LSD, extreme mescaline like euphoria all night, just as colorful and music enhancing as mescaline, tracers as powerful as lightning strikes, whereas LSD can have choppy visuals, the visuals are flowing with LSI, continuous diamond like shimmering of all visuals, LSI is the most bad ass psychedelic equal to mescaline and Ayahuasca that I've ever had the pleasure of trying, yes, she is that good, and she is super cheap to make, with no nastiness to the 2oz brew, down in 2 gulps.

 

As there is zero or no anxiety with LSI + LSV, I plan on even taking her at 40 seed dose converted to LSI + LSV and walk down the street and trip all morning and early afternoon long at one of the world's largest waterparks, which we live down the street from. I know this will be absolutely incredible! As I used to take zero nausea bridgesii cactus tea at least 20 times at the waterpark. This LSI + LSV is just as incredible as mescaline, my other all time favorite psychedelic.

 

-->I started out with just 5 seeds converted to LSI + LSV + LSCr and noticed it felt about like 20ug LSD, then I went up to 25 seeds which felt like (25 x .04mg per seed) = 100ug LSD, then I moved up to 30 seeds which felt exactly like (30 x .04mg LSA per seed ) = 120ug LSD, then I moved up to 40 seeds (40 x .04mg LSA per seed) = 160ug LSD.

 

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Does HBWR come in different strains, or is there just the one variety? 

The authentic argyreia nervosa seeds can be smaller like the ones I use from Hawaii (a mix of black and brown color) or bigger and rounder and tan in color like the ones from India where they originate. I have tried both of them, and they both work exact same in the recipe. If using the bigger India round seeds, just count them out similar to the way I count them out in Chapter 5 of the book, with illustrated pictures. My publisher is Sacred Forest Botanicals, see their trademark copyright logo on 1st page of book when viewing sample of book on-line. 

 

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Very Interesting, I cannot wait for other to replicated your method. If it turns out to be verified by others, @tregar would have contributed significantly to resolving two great mysteries in psychedelic history. And shortly afterwards to having your book banned by the government, under new emergency legislation.

Thanks Starward for kind words. Search the USA Amazon for "LSD", the paperback and very inexpensive kindle (opens on a phone or pc with the free kindle app) are consistently in the #1 or #2 best selling book under "LSD" search. I highly recommend getting the kindle or paperback before it could possibly one day get banned in Australia like Starward mentioned. Au herbalistics has 5g (50 seed) and 10g (100 seed) for growing purposes, I have searched and located a few botanicals in Australia that offer the seeds for growing.

 

All of the psychedelic discoveries in the book (5 of them) were given to me by an ancient dead Aztec Shaman who visited me for 20 minutes during a profound very high dose LSD trip around 20 years ago. I take no credit for these discoveries, as they all originated from the Shaman in the Spirit world, this is all recounted in Chapter 1 of the book "Shaman on the Wall". I have had 5 near death experiences in my life, and after each one of these profound very close encounters with death, a discovery he gave to me would rise to the front of my consciousness in detail in the form of a vision, all recounted in Chapter 1. The Shaman uses my chemical background to "expose" these discoveries to the rest of the world. We may only have 50 years left on this planet before earth's population takes a serious nosedive due to extreme climate disasters and events, there is way too much carbon in the atmosphere, and no way to remove it. 

 

My Interview with Dr. Mckenna (Terrence Mckenna's older brother) goes up around Valentines day Feb 14: Podcast McKenna Academy of Natural Philosophy | Archives New paper on LSI goes up at Graham Hancock's site in month: The Official Graham Hancock Website - Graham Hancock Official Website

 

Attached scientific papers backing up my discovery of LSI, LSV and LSCr, several more papers backing up discovery in the book. Notice last paper from School of Health Sciences, University of South Australia. Just remember that cinnamaldehyde from the paper has too many carbons and hydrogens for it to work: 1) This aldehyde: isovaleraldehyde discovery that works has 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogens just like 3-aminopentane which was found by Dr. Nichols to have activity very similar to LSD in the rat assays, as the rats reacted to it as if they had been given LSD. Anything beyond this, like cinnamaldehyde with a very high molecular weight has way too many carbons and hydrogens (almost double) and will result in weak effects, as it does not fit into the receptor. But pay close attention to reference 6: [6] Mehra, R. K., & Pandya, K. C. (1938). The condensation of aldehydes with amides - Part II. The condensation of cinnamaldehyde. Proc Natl Acad Sci India - Phys Sci, 7(6), 376-380.

 

The 3 super simple steps from HBWR seeds to LSI + LSV + LSCr are illustrated with pictures and full trip reports in Chapter 5 of my book: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA eBook : Stahl, Matthew : Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store In the USA, we are able to purchase 400 seeds very cheap (around the price of a few movie tickets) from various botanicals for growing. As mentioned in post #4, we absolutely love Australia and the people, the friendliest and most gorgeous people, beaches & nature in the world. My beautiful wife and I constantly watch Australian TV and movies on Netflix and 4k walking of Australia on you tube. I am a former beach and deep water waterpark lifeguard, so you know I love your beaches. 

 

pnas01092-0040.pdf 1-s2.0-S2212429222000074-main-2 (34).pdf chap6.pdf

Paper+1+(2022.1.1)+The+Theoretical+Synthesis+and+in+silico+Modelling+of+Lysergic+Acid+Biscinnamylidene+Amide+from+the+Adduct+Formation+of+d-Lysergic (1).pdf

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Learning engaged! Can't remember which Brissy member I got my HBWR cutting from, but it went bonkers up here on the Sunny Coast, usually giving me a yield of around 20 -30 pods a year (which would be about 5 to 6 times that in seed terms - each pod containing a variable quantity of viable seeds, depending on time of harvest).

 

Interested to hear your thoughts on Rivea corymbosa as a substitute for HBWR? It grows even more prolifically, and would yield thousands of seeds per year once established.

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Learning engaged! Can't remember which Brissy member I got my HBWR cutting from, but it went bonkers up here on the Sunny Coast, usually giving me a yield of around 20 -30 pods a year (which would be about 5 to 6 times that in seed terms - each pod containing a variable quantity of viable seeds, depending on time of harvest).

 

Interested to hear your thoughts on Rivea corymbosa as a substitute for HBWR? It grows even more prolifically, and would yield thousands of seeds per year once established.

 

Thanks so much RC for your VERY valuable post on growing from cutting. Note: Morning glory seeds (Rivea) did not work, only HBWR seeds worked to simulate the kykeon and Vedic SOMA in the experiments in the book...my results with up to 150 morning glory seeds were extremely disappointing (even below threshold effects), I believe the mg seeds are mainly 75% clavine alkaloids with less than 25% LSA, the levels of LSA in mg seeds being probably around .001mg per seed vs HBWR seeds at .04mg per seed. The morning glory seeds resulted in zero entheogenic effects, no euphoria, no stimulation, no visuals, and even no physical symptoms like wildly dilated pupils. I included above post on MG seeds on post #1 in middle or so for others to see. Book and ebook distributions are good, around 1 book or ebook distributed per day on average, so it's helping to get the word out. I am donating a portion of proceeds to the few remaining forums left to help keep them operating. It might work at 600 morning glory seeds plus (600 seeds x .001mg LSA per morning glory seed = 0.6mg LSA converted to LSI + LSV + LSCr 2oz brew = around 1/2 hit of acid (60ug LSD equivalent: not very much), but have not tried. I would stick with HBWR seeds only. Happy Valentines day, romantic date nights are fun. 

 

Update: 2.14.26: 

There are 13 aldehydes in young barley grass Z21 growth stage highest levels, all of these aldehydes can condense with LSA to form LSI, LSV, LSCr and 10 other Lysergamide cousin compounds which in combination can hit an extreme multitude of brain receptor sites that will rock your world. Propionaldehyde is just one example of the 13.

 

This Valentines night, Trippin on a 42 seeds weight is 3.5g, crushed weight = 3.5g, LSA extract residue scraped up from brownie dish = 189mg LSA extract residue (approximately .04mg per seed x 42 = 1.7mg LSA), converted to LSI + LSV + LSCr 2oz brew in record time, equivalent to 170ug LSD. 2oz brew is sitting in fridge, ready to drink at 3pm for an incredible Valentines date night. Zero side effects, zero anxiety. 

 

She is even better than LSD imho: No anxiety, hours and hours of closed eye colored visions just like LSD, extreme mescaline like euphoria all night, just as colorful and music enhancing as mescaline, tracers as powerful as lightning strikes, whereas LSD can have choppy visuals, the visuals are flowing with LSI, continuous diamond like shimmering of all visuals, LSI is the most bad ass psychedelic equal to mescaline and Ayahuasca that I've ever had the pleasure of trying, yes, she is that good, and she is super cheap to make, with no nastiness to the 2oz brew, down in 2 gulps. Book distribution is averaging one book per day distributed worldwide, so people are going to eventually find out.

 

Update 2.15.26: The Valentines LSI trip last night was absolutely incredible, of all the trips of my life, this was at the very top, just as sacred, visual, euphoric, colorful, and music enhancing as any of my highest dose mescaline trips, I will always use this dose elixir brew, had the time of my life with wife, best valentines day ever. 

 

42 seeds converted to LSI + LSV + LSCr (3 simple steps as shown with illustrations from chapter 5) just as bad ass as 550mg mescaline. See post #1 for link to paperback and kindle, or search USA amazon for "LSD", book shows up on 1st row.

Edited February 18 by tregar

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Important updates: The author at bluelight and Shaman Australis forum (ethnobotany section) provided updates to his chapter 5 relaying the following:
 
LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA: Stahl, Matthew Ray: 9798218881634: Amazon.com: Books
 
1) The 2 stirring steps illustrated in Chapter 5 can be reduced from 20 minutes, to only 10 minutes each. It shortens the overall procedure time nearly in half. 
 
2) and that DL tartaric acid powder or just "plain TARTARIC acid powder used in wine making available worldwide" (not citric acid) should be the only acid powder used that the author used over 5 years ago during the Eleusis kykeon and Vedic SOMA highly successful experiments, so it is very helpful to read about the progression of theoretical simulation steps updated later. Citric acid does not work, only tartaric acid powder works (available worldwide), as described in book. 
 
Again, the author notes process only worked extremely well every time when using tartaric acid powder ONLY, not citric acid. He notes it does not have to be DL tartaric acid but can be just plain tartaric acid powder used in wine making, available worldwide. 
 
In the book is described how the LSA from 25 HBWR seeds LSA converted to LSI felt exactly like 100ug LSD, and how 40 HBWR seeds LSA converted to LSI felt exactly like 170ug LSD or 550mg mescaline. The experience is noted as being even better than LSD as LSI incorporates an extra carbon molecule which makes it much more like mescaline than LSD, even more euphoric, colorful, and music enhancing than LSD. 
 
Brian Muraresku's book "The Immorality Key" also relates directly to not only the author's book on LSI but also William Scott Shelley's book at amazon called "SOMA and the Indo-European Priesthood".

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Everclear is 95% ethanol, so there is ZERO nausea once the 30ml everclear is evaporated from the brownie dish, and the LSA extract scraped up, this is all done in 3 simple steps from seeds to LSI. I have never ever experienced any nausea or any side effects whatsoever in any of my 7 highly successful experiments.

More info here, (the nausea causing seed mush is left behind at bottom of shot glass and thrown away, so there is zero nausea): please read entire thread: https://www.shaman-australis.com/fo...e-steps-a-more-euphoric-colorful-musical-lsd/ see post #1 on how nausea is 100% eliminated.

Yes, tartaric acid should be the only acid used (not citric acid) as we found out recently it participates in hydrogen bonding and is an important catalyst for the reaction that takes place during the two 10 minute stirring steps. As a matter of fact, I updated the book and ALL forums to reflect this very important update. The only error in the book is that I assumed citric acid could take the place of tartaric acid, so I wrote that it could possibly substitute, but again citric acid does not work. I used DL tartaric acid for all 7 very successful experiments, my all time favorite psychedelic, 40 seeds converted to LSI just as bad ass and exactly like 550mg heavenly mescaline, equivalent to 170ug LSD.

Plain tartaric acid (used in baking and wine making available worldwide) substitutes just fine for the DL tartaric acid I used in all my experiments in book and beyond, as I learned recently self experiment, absolutely no difference.

Ask google in AI, response is:

Yes, DL-tartaric acid can interact with and bind to the NH group of indole, particularly through hydrogen bonding [4.4, 4.6].

• Interaction Mechanism: Tartaric acid acts as a hydrogen-bond donor (via its hydroxyl and carboxylic acid groups), while the indole NH acts as a hydrogen-bond donor itself, or more commonly, the interaction is mediated through the acidic, polar, and hydrogen-bonding environment created by the tartaric acid, often forming stable complexes [4.4, 4.6].

Plain tartaric acid used in baking and wine making (available worldwide) thankfully is the D-isomer dextrorotary form of tartaric acid (found in high amounts in grapes), it is dextrorotary (reflects light to the right) just like D-LSD (the only form of LSD that works), as the L-isomer reflects light to the left and is inactive.

Chemical formula for tartaric acid is C4 H6 06, and according to AI it can indeed bond to the NH amide of LSA in acidic environments with stirring. Notice acetaldehyde has the formula of C2 H5 O which binds to the NH amide of LSA to form the psychedelic LSH or Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide (see the molecular picture of LSH I posted in green color here):

 

 

TARTARIC ACID has many more carbons and hydrogens and oxygen molecules than acetaldehyde, perhaps explaining the incredible potency of my Kykeon and Vedic SOMA 2oz brew, this raises many questions and is actively being investigated. Recall mescaline has many oxygen molecules, perhaps explaining why my 40 HBWR seed converted to 2oz kykeon and SOMA brew feels identical to me as 550mg of the Heavenly mescaline, much more euphoric, colorful, and music enhancing than LSD.

Ask google in AI, response is:

• Dextrorotatory (+): This natural form of tartaric acid is indeed dextrorotatory, meaning it rotates plane-polarized light to the right.

-->over 5 years ago during the theoretical experiments, I started out with just 5 seeds converted to LSI + LSV + LSCr and noticed it felt about like 20ug LSD, then I went up to 25 seeds which felt like (25 x .04mg per seed) = 100ug LSD, then I moved up to 30 seeds which felt exactly like (30 x .04mg LSA per seed ) = 120ug LSD, then I moved up to 40 seeds (40 x .04mg LSA per seed) = 160ug LSD <--

As you can see, I started out low as cautionary approach with this new discovery over 5 years ago.

Tartaric acid is found in very high amounts in grapes. I read once the kykeon when drunk left a purple stain on beard and gown of priest drinking it...so this could explain if grapes were used in kykeon to provide the high levels of tartaric acid mixed with the LSA from the non toxic claviceps paspali that infects paspalum grass that grows adjacent to Eleusis in the famous Rarian plain then bingo: tartaric acid could indeed be bonding to the NH amide of LSA, explaining the incredible psychedelic potency of my 2oz brew.

LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA: Stahl, Matthew Ray: 9798218881634: Amazon.com: Books

Search USA amazon for "LSD" book is often #1 selling book under LSD, on first row.

 

Update 3.4.26: This past Sunday, I converted 40 HBWR seeds to LSI in record time (50 minutes) and used plain tartaric acid in place of the DL tartaric acid I have used the past 7 times, and it worked just the same...absolutely no different...I tripped strongly for 8 hours...felt identical to 550mg mescaline. Citric acid does not work, and I updated book, ebook and all forums to reflect this very important point. Since the plain tartaric acid found in high amounts in grapes is dextro rotary, thats all that matters, its available worldwide, used in wine making. This post above explains the important role tartaric acid plays in the process, participates in hydrogen bonding and a catalyst for the aldehyde condensation reaction. Never substitute any other acid in its place.

 

Plain tartaric acid was actually known as d tartaric acid back in the day, old nomenclature I researched and found out.

I tripped my ass off using plain tartaric acid I got for 8 dollars on-line...40 seeds converted to LSI sunday felt identical to 550mg mescaline, same exact potency as 160ug LSD. I tripped on Sunday as I had Monday off.

 

 

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VERY IMPORTANT: beware fake HBWR seeds.
 
fake HBWR - indian? what to do? - The Ethnobotanical Garden - Shroomery Message Board
 
The main difference between varieties is that the speciosa variety is used medicinally in ayurvedic medicine and the nervosa strain has high LSA alkaloid content. It makes little difference where the strains are grown, but most seed originating from India and Africa is of the speciosa variety and thus low in LSA. Do not use seeds from India, very low on LSA.
 
LOW LSA seeds will not work, just like morning glory seeds will not work as they have only 25% lsa and 75% clavine alkaloids.
 
Only authentic Authentic Argyreia Nervosa works as they are .04mg LSA per seed. They are black and brown in color and slightly triangular in shape. 
 

 
I use only authentic Argyreia Nervosa from Hawaii, A+ organic hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, I get 400 seeds per order, and have hid away literally thousands of the seeds, as the conversion of 40 seeds to LSI is exactly like 550mg of the heavenly mescaline. My all time favorite psychedelic. Zero side effects, zero vasoconstriction, zero sedation, zero nausea when my easy 3 step procedure is followed.
 
Tartaric acid used in wine making and baking available worldwide (30mg on 1st stirring step) and 10mg on 2nd or last stirring step works perfectly, no difference from DL tartaric acid. I tripped my ass off on 40 seeds converted last sunday to LSI using plain tartaric acid I bought for $8 on line used in wine making, took only 55 minutes to prepare as illustrations show. Only two 10 minute stirring steps, and 35 minutes waiting during evaporation step. Most of time is spent waiting between the 3 simple steps.
 
Felt identical to 550mg mescaline, out of this world neon colors all night, extreme euphoria, hours of way beyond 4k closed eye colored visions, infinite music enhancement, a pleasant stimulation all the way from 3pm when drank till midnight when I fell asleep. Intense healing and profound spiritual insights, profound shifting of colors and textures, powerful tracers, far better than LSD imho, no choppiness to the visuals but rather the visuals are flowing, magical open eye visuals, swimming in euphoria all night.Same exact power as 160ug LSD.
 
When you performed these experiments, why didn’t you go above the equivalent of 160ug of LSD?
I did not feel the need to exceed the equivalent dosage of 160ug LSD (subsequent experiments) as I found the resulting psychedelic experiences to go above and beyond anything I could have ever hoped for. I give a trip report after each experiment forming a combo of LSI, LSV and LSCr.
 
1) The experience lasts 8 strong anxiety free hours with a 10 hour duration. I have experienced x 9 times now, each profoundly psychedelic trip spaced apart by 1 month. Just as powerful as LSD but even beyond LSD, like a combination of ALD-52 (anxiety free version of LSD also discovered by Dr. Hofmann) & mescaline combined.
2) There is a pleasant stimulation all night long, just like ALD-52 or mescaline exerts, when taken at 3pm, I was always able to fall asleep by midnight, much easier to fall asleep after than LSD.
3) The strength becomes stronger and stronger until she reaches a peak 3.5 hours in
4) There are profound Spiritual revelations, insights and intense healing, she is a feminine teaching spirit.
5) A brilliant diamond like shimmering of all visuals, infinitely fascinating
6) Tracers with open eyes as powerful as lightning strikes, none of the choppiness of LSD visuals, rather the visuals are flowing.
7) Intense, bold neon-like colors are seen all night, just like a combo of ALD-52 + mescaline, far, far more colorful than LSD. I have seen neon colors like purple-yellows, red-greens, and orange-blues that don't belong on this earth
😎 Infinite way over the top euphoria felt all night (just like a combo of ALD-52 + mescaline). Anyone who has ever had cactus understands the mescaline euphoria I am talking about.
9) The beauty seen with open eyes is infinite and divine, no words to describe. This was one of the main reasons I took this psychedelic, the enhancement of beauty is just so over the top, extreme and heavenly.
10) The closed eye-colored geometrics seen which progress to real visions the longer the eyes are kept closed are just like what you see on a combination of LSD + mescaline, hundreds and hundreds of way beyond 4k visions many of them playing as if in a movie.
11) The music enhancement is just incredible and heavenly. I've felt more with this LSI, LSV and LSCr combo than with any traditional psychedelic except for mescaline that I was an extraterrestrial being, immersing myself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. Where LSD heightens and clarifies the sense of hearing, this Eleusis kykeon brew simulation produces auditory hallucinations, heightening the hearing sense but also causing sounds to be quite different than normal. I am a music lover and always listened to house music most of the night during the experiences, as on LSI, LSV & LSCr combo, every instrument and beautiful voice stands out on its own, every song is "epic". Like hearing a song for the very first time.
12) As for aphrodisiacal use of LSI, LSV & LSCr combo, wow! it brought energies out of me that I never knew I had.
13) There is zero or no anxiety with this potent 3 psychedelic combo, just like with ALD-52. This would explain why there were no bad trips reported in the Eleusis Kykeon literature.
14) There are no physical side effects: no body load, no nausea, no vasoconstriction, no cramping, just pure psychedelic bliss.
15) The next morning (I would typically get 6 hours sleep after the experience) I felt re-born with a massive serotonin "reset". I would go walking in nature with my shih tzus the following morning and all of nature looked as if brand new with a curiosity of nature's divinity.
 
Note: Morning glory seeds did not work, only HBWR seeds worked to simulate the kykeon and Vedic SOMA in the experiments in the book ages ago...my results with up to 150 morning glory seeds were extremely disappointing (even below threshold effects), I believe the mg seeds are mainly 75% clavine alkaloids with less than 25% LSA, the levels of LSA in mg seeds being probably around .001mg per seed vs HBWR seeds at .04mg per seed. The morning glory seeds resulted in zero entheogenic effects, no euphoria, no stimulation, no visuals, and even no physical symptoms like dilated pupils.
 
Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA theoretical simulation Materials list:
 
1) 25 genuine real HBWR seeds, approximately .04mg LSA per seed. Authentic Argyreia Nervosa from Hawaii, A+ organic hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, I get 400 seeds per order. Beware fake HBWR seeds.
2) 0.001g scale
3) One oversized shot glass for the spinning of the seed dust, and one regular shot glass for the fridge, and a 6 ounce half pint tall canning jar 4" tall x 2.75" wide.
4) magnetic stirrer with 3/8" x 1" long stir bar that can spin easily and fast inside the shot glass or canning jar.
5) everclear (95% grain alcohol or similar high proof alcohol)
6) coffee grinder
7) mortar and pestal
8. long pyrex brownie dish (9" wide x 15" long)
9) 2 razor blades
10) a fan, and a hair dryer to use for last 5 minutes of water evaporation from the pyrex dish (optional)
11) 3 grams of the secret herbal substance Aojiru young barley grass that comes in a nitrogen sealed 3g pack, 46 to a box, very high in isovaleraldehyde, valeraldehyde & crotonaldehyde.
12) distilled or spring water
13) For the chapter 5 three super simple steps with sketch illustrations: DL tartaric acid powder can be used or plain tartaric acid used in wine making (available worldwide). I give amounts of DL tartaric acid or PLAIN TARTARIC ACID powder to use, 30mg in beginning, and 10mg on last step. The 2 stirring steps can be condensed down from 20 minutes each, down to 10 minutes each, shortening the overall procedure time. Plain tartaric acid powder is available for $8 used in wine making available worldwide, which works just as well as DL tartaric acid, I tripped my ass off using plain tartaric acid powder. Plain tartaric acid is actually known as D-tartaric acid (old nomenclature) and is dextrorotary, which is all that matters. Tartaric acid powder is the only acid to be used, period. Tartaric acid participates in hydrogen bonding to LSA and is an important catalyst for the aldehyde condensation.
 
Dr. Mckenna said the author's 1 hour interview is being released on April 20, 2026 on Brainforest Cafe on you tube. The author's 7-page paper on LSI is being released on Graham Hancock's official site during the April to June timeframe.
 
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Or see here: LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA: Stahl, Matthew Ray: 9798218881634: Amazon.com: Books
 
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