MushroomMan73 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I've done the research and know it's one of the best options, but I also have seen how hard it's going to be to get seeds or cuttings here in Aus for some Kratom. Wondering if there is a reliable way to get some to grow or if anyone else knows other plants that are good for pain relief, she doesn't want to be on opioids her whole life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) There is evidence for the following in treatment of fibromyalgia: Chlorella (and/or spirulina?) in high doses Valerian Vitamins D, E, magnesium, thiamine Cannabis for chronic pain, often recommended. Edited June 20, 2021 by fyzygy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rainbow Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) I recommend using the forum search engine and messaging people privately, this is a bit of a sketchy topic. Search terms like 'speciosa' are likely more handy than the K word. For this reason you might also have more luck if you edit that word out of the thread title and your post. If you don't find anyone it does seem like XXX often stocks it under the counter, but you might need to find someone on good terms with the vendor to ask. I've heard their XXX store only sells small quantities for people looking for OST, but I've also seen them selling huge bags of the stuff at a festival in XXX quite recently. Worth keeping in mind that as well as being illegal this plant still works on the opioid receptors, and withdrawal, dependence and tolerance are still real risks for everyday consumers. Could be a shitty situation if you ran out of supply, but if someone is on opioids anyway I can definitely see the appeal. Edited September 12, 2021 by Wile E. Peyote 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenjonny Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 there is one user here who has mastered the art however its super difficult in australia. you will get this kind of green tea sent successfully from overseas though. pm me for details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Yeh the quality of said 'XXX under the counter vendor' that is well known here is not great by comparison. I have read very recently that there are talks about an outright international ban coming from the UN (coerced by the US FDA as per usual !), so getting it in even from US vendors may prove increasingly difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Dragon Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 20/06/2021 at 10:09 PM, Wile E. Peyote said: I recommend using the forum search engine and messaging people privately, this is a bit of a sketchy topic. Search terms like 'speciosa' are likely more handy than the K word. For this reason you might also have more luck if you edit that word out of the thread title and your post. If you don't find anyone it does seem like XXX often stocks it under the counter, but you might need to find someone on good terms with the vendor to ask. I've heard their XXX store only sells small quantities for people looking for OST, but I've also seen them selling huge bags of the stuff at a festival in XXX quite recently. Worth keeping in mind that as well as being illegal this plant still works on the opioid receptors, and withdrawal, dependence and tolerance are still real risks for everyday consumers. Could be a shitty situation if you ran out of supply, but if someone is on opioids anyway I can definitely see the appeal. Comment from a friend in the US where this stuff is available and still legal (for how long?): I have used it for treating pain and know others who have as well. I haven't heard of anyone who has tried this plant as a pain treatment report any "withdrawal, dependence and tolerance" issues at all. I am VERY VERY sensitive to addictive substances. I've had my problems with them and give them a wide wide berth. I have never had any addictive feelings with this plant pain medicine. It works for me instantly and I never even think about using it again until there is another experience of significant pain. The thought to take this medicine when there is moderate or transient pain does not even arise. Certainly not when I have no pain. But it is something I know I can rely on at times when serious pain may arise. In my opinion the amount of international money behind the efforts to ban and discredit the effectiveness and harmlessness of this plant medicine is astronomical and so, efforts to eliminate this plant from the face of the earth will continue and probably gather in intensity. It is near insanity to me that this plant has been made illegal in one or more of its countries of origin: Thailand. Farmers there, who have been growing it for untold generations, must be quite perplexed at the whole situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Scarlet Dragon's post reminded me that Hamilton's Pharmacopeia includes an excellent episode on Kratom. From memory, Hamilton talks to scientists studying the behavioural differences (in mice) under opioids, versus kratom. And he treks into the jungle (under armed paramilitary escort), finding a strand of increasingly rare kratom trees to film. Sad, bizarre, true. He meets farmers, kids mixing kratom with cough syrup (take that, Big Pharma) and so on, well worth checking out. It's hard to believe that nobody in Australia would be growing this threatened species. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLSD Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 im sure there are. but the amount of time that it would take to grow enough plants large enough to get usable amounts of leaves off them without killing them would be extremely difficult. Im sure there are people here that grow one for conservation reasons. But I'm guessing it would take a dozen ten year old trees to have a self sufficient medical supply for you wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The thing is growing a tree will take 5-7 years to produce any useful relief and that's in a tropical environment. Its probably better worth your time to seek our a vendor that ships to Oz either form the US or Indo...and even then go money on recommendations as a few are probably dodgy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withdrawl clinic Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 it's a very virgorous plant, you could haverest it after 3 years. there is a saying, in thailand, if your boyfriend smokes weed, don't marry him, if he chews kratom, marry him, he will work! and don't worry there are a few trees growing, in oz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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