sagiXsagi Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) hey hello I think that notes on growth habit, and observations on new shoots and leaves could help us to check out if we have correct IDed plants and seeds. My 3 geradianas are all shooting.. Dont yours? Btw if you transplanted the gerardis, did they have good root system?? remember that one of the things we have as a task is to see the species cycles.. do they all have the same cycle? foeminea + cf fragilis seems to have a different cycle than most reported species, including the greek speceis distachya / major.. even if fragilis is a misnomer, we could figure out what species is our fragilis seed and your fragilis plant. by the way, the new sprouts were not of viridis, they were of nevadensis, got 2 so far. and a "fragilis" sprout today. NOTE: for those who have been following the thread from the begining, to clear out some things.. *at first I thought the seedlings I grew from the seed were foeminea. *then I observed there are two different forms of foeminea in greece *so I began to believe that one of them, the one I grew from seed, are fragilis , as I found myself such a plant different to typical foeminea *afterwards I began doubting again that they are fragilis, so I began calling them "cf fragilis" , which I do call them now... so, the new "fragilis", seed and now a sprout, refers to new fragilis seed bought, but it could be mislabeled, and the "fragilis" could be major/nebrodensis ... so to sum up *cf fragilis is a form that people here regard as foeminea, but a number of different explanations could be true as for what it really is *"fragilis" is seed bought as fragilis but might be mislabeled, hence the brackets *fragilis might not be a good species at all. also the cf fragilis seedlings I have are starting to show a good speed of growth, some are 30cm height and seemingly tend to woodify the base, actually they seem to be passing from pubescence to maturity, I could be wrong, but these are less than year-old seedlings... also the rooted suckers / cuttings are doing fine. I observed two new shoots emerging from the base of a foeminea rooted cutting to grow 45 cm and 25 cm straight up, is some 10+ days.. these shoots are fat and seem ambitious to become the new main trunk of this plant (note that this particular cutting was planted in a pretty big, - 30 liter - pot) PS: Hey horsey did you put all the plants you bought to the ground? thats all for now Edited March 24, 2017 by sagiXsagi 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted March 24, 2017 updates: I am setting the lost date of the sowing 10 days ago, at 14/3/2017 gerardiana, equisetina, viridis, major, fragilis, nevadensis were sown. tray and pots only nevadensis and fragilis have sprouted so far (I have now placed it under light and on heat mat) 24/3 I carefully transplanted the E.chilensis seedlings from the first sowing.. these are 50-65 days old.. In some seedlings the root was exposed, very small rootlets overall, this might be slower than sinica even.. Lets hope they dont all die transplanting so fast is not really advised, but I didnt want to leave them more in the tray.. **** temps are quickly rising here and I am pretty anxious to see the surface soil dries much faster now. 2/3 gerardianas are shooting from the base and 1/3 is shooting from all over the plant. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted March 25, 2017 update: the transplanted chilensis seem ok, even the ones that were bare root seem fine. well its too early to tell but I am super excited. I also transplanted the newly bought gerardianas which where aclimatising to sunnier spots and throughing new shoots. I up-potted the 2 and put the 3rd in a bigger container... also propagation frenzy overtook me, so I took off some rooted suckers off one, thinking it was one single branch/sucker , but it turnt out that they were 4 of them (or I didnt cut it right), so there you go, I have 4 rooted cuttings/suckers , I have higher hopes for the two of them, but lets hope all survive and become plants. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) RAAAWRZ yessss , so happy that one sprouted today !!! - it's about time something went right on the ephedrobial score -first ephedra germinate for me that one *does a lil dance, grows a lil love.., get's down tonight* anyhoo so I got a nebrodensis/major from the SagiX colab round and here it is - finger's x'd for some more eh? Edited March 28, 2017 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) PS: Hey horsey did you put all the plants you bought to the ground? aye when it was winter or the end of winter should i say,... its been really fkn sunny of late so i can see the gera's are about to shoot but nuthn worth photographing yet second to sprout from the seeds though are 2 chilensis Edited March 28, 2017 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted March 28, 2017 moar plates/ close ups!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) updates: so happy today! the sinica cutting showed proof to have established in its deep tube-type pot, as today I noticed a new shoot, shooting from the edge of the pot.. These shoots seem pretty ideal for taking pics of the leaves and for ID purposes! Remember the foeminea shoot that went to 50 cm pretty fast? This main shoot has branched, at about the mid-length.. the 7 types of seed we bought with horsey I am begining to thing they were not so good. it seems only nevadensis & fragilis/major have sprouted so far ("fragilis" might be the same as major) and I had one awkward shot of viridis at the edge of the tray, I am seeing no eye, just a baby leaf. EDIT/PS: I took 5 of the ephedra pots that I had placed in the fridge back in the heating mat. I thought I could try a bit of a cold shock to those seemingly not so viable seeds. on a further note, I hope I didnt sow the gerards too deep, as they are half the size of most others... Edited March 30, 2017 by sagiXsagi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) transplanted sinica + chilensis babies to deepers pots, finger crossed they survive the transplanting at such an early age, especially sinicas that were younger. sinica plant new shoot branching also! Edited April 1, 2017 by sagiXsagi 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted April 4, 2017 transplanted this one a few days ago and been watching closely to see so far it didn't mind and maybe it's another plant that likes me I feel so blessed having so many reliable and true friends in the plants , what perfect replacements for the terrible humans on my island , maybe they could all be swapped for plants that might use the minerals more wisely 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 3/4/2017 1st major to sprout.. what would we do without the internet, huh? Hey horsey did the foemineas and cf fragilis sprout? Edited April 7, 2017 by sagiXsagi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) 8~9 months "cf fragilis" foeminea seedlings.. 1-3 plantlets per pot .... Edited April 7, 2017 by sagiXsagi 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted April 10, 2017 not yet man but I got a nice little surprise today cheered me up a treat ! a french nebrodensis off of ebay sprouted 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) distachya equisetina fragilis gerardiana v'sikkimensis nebrodensis NL chilensis nebrodensis FR transplanted that ^^ french nebrodensis to a pot and found another had sprouted in there.. sowed some (5) sinica seed from chilterns england (i think) , and some (5) nice sinica seed from scotland Edited April 12, 2017 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 12, 2017 hey awesome shots! very cool plants! that distachya is crazy with sprouts! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 20, 2017 some updates: boy cf fragilis are doing really fine I am all curious about the 3 foeminea VS 3 cf fraglis sown later, but both 2 / 4 of the rooted suckers of gerardiana I took seems to have taken and actively growing.. one of them was an unlike anyways, and has no green over ground. All other seem fine, I keep promising myself to fertilise the ebay-sinica which seems a little yellowy I am hesitant to take the more established plants like the geradianas or the cf fragilis to a full sun position... am I being a pussy? lots of E.chilensis seedling seem to be going nice and liking their new pots. I think 1/2 the nevadensis seedlings is going down... still havent sowed more/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 26, 2017 news: the sinica sucker seems to be withering but today I saw another one at another side of the pot 3/4 gerardiana suckers rooted - I am bit worried about watering the mothers too much, but its getting pretty sunny and warm here. the mother gerardianas new spouts/tips are reaching older terminated tops in height 1 sinica seedling seems to go fast and nice 1 nevadensis and 1 "fragilis' seedlings only left from that sowing, will propably sow another take next days. chilensis still pretty slow PS: received some new suckers/cuttings today from an awesome friend, they are I think distachya and equisetina. ciao 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted April 27, 2017 a few humidity dome seedling progress pics to add Also added these two beauty's to the family thanks to a a good friend too 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 28, 2017 I dont think the humidity dome is a good idea actually, at least after sprouting but hey, you got another climate and style and all.. do you use fungicide in the dome, how do you keep it clean? the reasoning behind this is that the seedlings early stage is at risk to rot as its at its most vulnerable then. one would want the opposite, that is to acclimatise to drier air, summer coming and all.. Of course my summer is much drier and hotter than yours, so maybe I am just talking from my perspective 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted May 2, 2017 *new sucker branch from the ebay sinica, this time central and not at the side of the pot *one chilensis dead and one damaged from snail attack *1 nevadensis and 1 "fragis" (major?) repotted as young seedling to a deep tubelike pot *distachya and equisetina root divisions seem to have taken! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martyh64 Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) Found 2 studies on increasing alkaloid content in different ephedra species via feeding plants L-Phenylalanine. This could also be helpful for increasing Cathinone and Cathine levels in Khat considering they also require L-Phenyalanine for biosynthesis - same goes for Sida Cordifolia. Worth a read, will definitely be looking into this more. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/207183256_L-Phenylalanine_increased_ephedrine_and_pseudoephedrine_production_in_E_Procera_suspension_culture http://www.idosi.org/aejaes/jaes11(1)11/5.pdf Edited October 10, 2017 by Martyh64 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted May 6, 2017 humidity domes removed for a week-ish now thanks man , they had no probz drying off one humidity dome was because I'd accidentally planted over some duboisier hopwoodii that had one germinate and i figured why not use them to harden off the others in their transitional period (slight gaps for air by raising humidity dome in pot's grip) - it's very dry in the dry tank - it used to house lophs 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) placed one gerardiana in an even sunnier place today after some tidying and rearranging... fertilisation seems to helped the ebay sinica, which was rather in a "tired" soil. I recommend, planthelper tip seems to be spot on, when a plant seems yellowy and weak.... two sinica seedlings seem to be doing faster than chilensis actually, one branched too. I potted two chilensis in a biggy pot where I transplanted a crested polasia.. I also put a chilli pepper in another corner. check some update-pics (tags in each photo.. ehm orange tags that say E chin actually mean chilensis lol ) Edited May 12, 2017 by sagiXsagi 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) oh man I just scored the last 5 seeds of malinka distachya from Russia.. , they'd better germinate when the postie brings them eh? - will be able to sing kalinka to em :3 Ephedra distachya var. "Malinka" - 5 seeds, exp. date 12.2018 Also , looks like my only chilensis seedling is drying out and dying ... : / new ephedra babies from SagiX are now in full sun outdoors ... - I forgot their name, I should've labelled them upon receipt but ,.;... what were they called again please SagiX? Also ... I ordered some E' minima / monosperma for 3 olde groats Edited May 22, 2017 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted May 22, 2017 brought most of my ephs in full sun, they seem to be loving it, ferted them all a bit too. the distachya and equisetina suckers you sent are doing pretty fine my chilensis are doing pretty well, so I think I will eventually be able to send you one at some point. the seedlings I sent are the "cf fragilis" , most would call this kind of material foeminea but these are different from typical foeminea. Name them "cf fragilis" but remember they might be a ssp of foeminea 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) update, all is well, I think they like the sunny spot and warm and feed so far... I sowed some more of the pretty dud seed of 7 species we bought with horsey... plenty of it in some occasions ... I filed slightly some of them... I remember that I filed most as I sowed from the right, but as I was getting to the left I was getting bored and tired with my back to file all seeds, so I didnt file the last ones I sowed.... 26/5/2017 sowing intermedia weber - none sprouted before gerardiana - oz - especially shallower sowing this time - none sprouted before equisetina weber - none sprouted before equisetina usa viridis weber - only one seemed to sprout but it did very awkwardly and it died nevedensis weber - I got one such seedling left going hey and I am pretty optimist about it, it being the only one I got from northern america no pic this time Edited May 26, 2017 by sagiXsagi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
