AbleKay Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 0:30 PM, ThunderIdeal said: Remember how botanika used to talk about a redheaded race existing at all these different locations? I'm not sure of the original context but there are pockets of freckled, redheaded natives around the world, including northern Australia. I'm pretty sure the consensus around these groups is that they were the result of shipwrecked Spanish sailors. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted October 22, 2017 Yeah thats quite likely, but not what botanika was talking about. I recall accusing him of some kind of white supremacist angle, yes thats how much of a dumbass i was. Again this is early human not origin of humans, but im convinced there was a previous civilisation to the ones we know and if @botanika was right, they were predominately ranga and either post or pre catastrophe they travelled around the globe leaving traces of higher technology Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted October 23, 2017 please enlighten us what you're talking about thunder, you link is very interesting and consistent with otehr recent findings of hominids other than Homo found in europe .... and you wondered why they called it the old world... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AbleKay Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) On 10/23/2017 at 10:17 AM, ThunderIdeal said: Again this is early human not origin of humans, but im convinced there was a previous civilisation to the ones we know and if @botanika was right, they were predominately ranga and either post or pre catastrophe they travelled around the globe leaving traces of higher technology Have you read The Atlantis Blueprint? if not you probably should ,-) "A spellbinding blend of history and science, scholarship and speculation, this landmark work presents startling new evidence that traces archaeology's most enduring mysteries back to the lost civilization of Atlantis.... The Great Pyramid. Stonehenge. Machu Picchu. For centuries, these and other sacred sites have inspired wonder among those who ponder their origins. Conventional science tells us they were constructed by local peoples working with the primitive tools of a fledgling civilization. But these megaliths nonetheless continue to attract pilgrims, scholars, and adventurers drawn by the possibility that their true spiritual and technological secrets remain hidden. Who could have built these elaborate monuments? How did they do it? And what were their incomprehensible efforts and sacrifices designed to accomplish? Now comes a revolutionary theory that connects these mysteries to reveal a hidden global pattern -- the ancient work of an advanced civilization whose warnings of planetary cataclysm now reverberate across one hundred millennia. International bestselling author Colin Wilson and Canadian researcher Rand Flem-Ath join forces to share startling evidence of a fiercely intelligent society dating back as much as 100,000 years -- one that sailed the oceans of the world, building monuments to preserve and communicate its remarkable wisdom.The Atlantis Blueprint is their term for a sophisticated network of connections between these sacred sites that they trace to Atlantis: a sophisticated maritime society that charted the globe from its home base in Antarctica ... until it was obliterated by the devastating global changes it anticipated but could not escape. Here is adventure to realms beyond our imaginings ... to shifting poles, changing latitudes ... into the world of ancient mariners who recharted the globe ... to astonishing discoveries about our ancestors. Here are the great mysteries ... the incredibly complex geography of the Temple of Luxor ... the startling sophistication of Egyptian science and math ... and tantalizing similarities among the Hebrew, Greek, and Mayan alphabets to the Chinese lunar zodiac.The Atlantis Blueprint opens up a Pandora's box of ancient mysteries, lost worlds, and millennial riddles. It is a story as controversial, fascinating, dangerous -- and inspiring -- as any ever told. and theres another book by the same author relating theories of Atlantis to Neandethals, just in case the above is a tad off topic ,) https://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Kingdom-Neanderthals-Years-History/dp/1591430593/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3P9SP32FG0YZ1FJENE8M&dpID=51yo3vps37L&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=detail Edited October 26, 2017 by AbleKay add link 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Condor man Posted November 8, 2017 This is taking it back a fair way but I thought it was interesting to hear that mammals were originally nocturnal. Can we still attribute some of our nocturnal quirks to our distant past. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/11/mammals-literally-came-out-of-the-dark-once-the-dinos-were-gone/ Mammals Literally Came Out Of The Dark Once The Dinos Were Gone The first mammals emerged during the reign of the dinosaurs, adopting a nocturnal lifestyle to stay safe. It was only until the dinosaurs were wiped off the face of the planet that certain mammals began to assert themselves during the daylight hours, according to new research. Both of the phylogenic timelines constructed by the researchers pointed to the same conclusion: mammals switched over into diurnal mode only after the dinosaurs were gone. The change was gradual, however, requiring millions of years of evolution; the "big switch" happened at some point between 52 to 33 million years ago (that's a big window, even for evolutionary biology). "We were very surprised to find such close correlation between the disappearance of dinosaurs and the beginning of daytime activity in mammals, but we found the same result unanimously using... alternative analyses," explained lead author Roi Maor in a statement. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insequent Posted November 19, 2017 http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/11/ancient-skull-from-china-may-rewrite-origin-of-humans/ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Well even though it was mentioned before in this thread I had forgotten about it and re-discovered it these days. Homo naledi is so exciting, especially after the 2017 dating and finding of a second site like the first one. I expect those that are interested in the topic must have read up on this by now, but the research is ongoing, so maybe not all of you are up - to - date well here's the wiki article again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_naledi "So where does H. naledi fit within the overall picture of human evolution in Africa? It’s still unresolved. Berger et al. suggested three scenarios: First, H. naledi belongs to one of the lineages leading to H. habilis, H. rudolfensis, H. floresiensis, and A. sediba. Alternatively, H. naledi is younger - a sister lineage to the clade that contains H. erectus and the big-brained later hominins (including H. sapiens). The final scenario is that H. naledi is even younger still - a sister lineage to H. sapiens. Another possibility is that H. naledi is the result of hybridisation between two or more lineages, perhaps one related to humans and one related to Australopithecines." https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/may/23/homo-naledi-genome-will-we-ever-find-this-elusive-key-to-human-evolution I aso want to thank the dude that pointed me to John Hawks, I suggest you guys check out his blog, he is very actively connected to all the naledi research, I am so glad this very scientist is involved.. but he got articles on anything related allaround. He is open and he is sharing lots of cool stuff in the blogs posts.. John Hawks is THE site to follow http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/early_modern/africa/african-origins-three-insights-2019.html How smart naledi was? a paper on cranium https://www.pnas.org/content/115/22/5738 on the new paradigm that rising star project brings to the science "“The success of Rising Star’s policy of open access means that it will be harder for paleoanthropologists in the future to not be more open with their data,” Throckmorton said. “They might not be open to the same level as the naledi project, but they will be more open. There’s been a shift in expectations about publishing fossils.” https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/12/the-cradle-of-open-access-rising-star-digs-for-more-than-fossils-with-its-work/ I was also reading the wiki page on neanderthals extinction these days. wow origins or homo related pages in wiki are changing with an impressive pace! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_extinction Keep it up, what exciting times! Edited February 7, 2019 by sagiXsagi 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) more on the consequences of Dali man being a sapiens, not erectus, like Insequents above link: https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2154934/how-fossils-found-asia-could-rewrite-history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dali_Man Edited February 7, 2019 by sagiXsagi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted February 7, 2019 And this is an excellent retrospective of the whole origin thing https://medium.com/@johnhawks/three-big-insights-into-our-african-origins-3fa01eb5f03?sk=1d44a1e2a218a60314361ceec4af3e38 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thoth Posted July 2, 2019 Men are from the stars, before the flood reduced us to the stone age Again, eh eh Evolution is not upward, its like a wave, up n down we need to be calm to see the truth, Evolution of spirit is the goal 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) How the neanderthals might have gone extinct due to pathogens carried by sapiens (possibly viral) Quote Parasites and pathogens[edit] Another possibility is the spread among the Neanderthal population of pathogens or parasites carried by Homo sapiens [15][16]. Neanderthals would have limited immunity to diseases they had not been exposed to, so diseases carried into Europe by Homo sapiens could have been particularly lethal to them if Homo sapiens were relatively resistant. If it were relatively easy for pathogens to leap between these two similar species, perhaps because they lived in close proximity, then Homo sapiens would have provided a pool of individuals capable of infecting Neanderthals and potentially preventing the epidemic from burning itself out as Neanderthal population fell. On the other hand, the same mechanism could work in reverse, and the resistance of Homo sapiens to Neanderthal pathogens and parasites would need explanation. However, there is good reason to suppose that the net movement of novel human pathogens would have been overwhelmingly uni-directional, from Africa into the Eurasian landmass. The most common source of novel human pathogens (like HIV1 today) would have been our closest phylogenetic relatives, namely other primates, of which there were many in Africa but only one known species in Europe, the Barbary Macaque, and only a few species in Southern Asia. As a result, African populations of humans would have been exposed to, and developed resistance to, and become carriers of, more novel pathogens than their Eurasian cousins, with far-reaching consequences. The uni-directional movement of pathogens would have enforced a uni-directional movement of human populations out of Africa, and doomed the immunologically naïve indigenous populations of Eurasia whenever they encountered more recent emigrants out of Africa, and ensured that Africa remained the crucible of human evolution in spite of the widespread distribution of hominins over the highly variable geography of Eurasia. This putative "African advantage" would have persisted until the agricultural revolution 10,000 years ago in Eurasia, after which domesticated animals overtook other primates species as the most common source of novel human pathogens, replacing the "African advantage" with a "Eurasian advantage". The devastating effect of Eurasian pathogens on Native American populations in the historical era gives us some idea of the effect that modern humans may have had on the precursor populations of hominins in Eurasia 40,000 years ago[16]. An examination of human and Neanderthal genomes and adaptations regarding pathogens or parasites may shed further light on this issue. A link on hybridizations between baboons + geladas http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/primates/genomics/baboon-gelada-hybridization-2020.html and another really interesting article from john hawks site http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/history/history-of-paleoanthropology/broom-ancestors-fossils-2020.html 2020 paper on juvenile naledi fossils https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32236122 Edited April 15, 2020 by sagiXsagi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites