BedOSpines Posted September 29, 2015 Hi guys, I received these loph seeds. One is advertised as normal Lophophora williamsii the other is Lophophora williamsii texinsis. Is there differing sizes with these seeds? Or is one a different thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tipz Posted September 29, 2015 One is either a different thing or once were loph seeds, before being pulverised into tiny pieces in the post 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 BedOSpines Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Well the tiny little pieces have sprouted into this. Not anything much yet. And the bigger seeds are this. Edited September 29, 2015 by Bedofspines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 tipz Posted September 29, 2015 something else it is then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 BedOSpines Posted September 29, 2015 Hehe lucky me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Derkshaman Posted September 29, 2015 The smaller 'seeds' are surely just crushed up particles From what I know, Texenis is the OG variety of L.W... a very slow grower! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 BedOSpines Posted September 29, 2015 If so, the crushed particles are sprouting. Under my 20x magnifier they are very triangullar. Time will tell I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Berengar Posted September 29, 2015 You sure they are actually sprouting? The only thing I can see in the first picture is cobweb mold. Do you see any green in there at all? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 BedOSpines Posted September 30, 2015 Now that you mention it no green at all u pulled 'em out and your right seems to just be mold lol. On the plus side it shall not spread to the rest cheers mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Spanishfly Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) US postal machinery can and will crush seeds to dust. It is essential to use at least a padded envelope - I add an additional liner of bubblewrap to that. Also, the description Texinsis probably means it comes from Texas - it is no more a different variety of Lophophora williamsii than a Texan is a different variety of Homo sapiens. But the taxonomy of Lophophora is a total mess, with loads of non-existent ´varieties´ being invented and sold. Edited October 19, 2015 by Spanishfly 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 BedOSpines Posted October 19, 2015 These were in australlia, still I'm not surprised tho, is there anything to the Lophophora williamsii var pentagona and Lophophora williamsii var pluricostata from what I can tell it's different rib habits but am I likely to get seed that would keep the 5 rib habit, or could it happen to any lw seed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Señor Corrochio Posted October 19, 2015 Also, the description Texinsis probably means it comes from Texas - it is no more a different variety of Lophophora williamsii than a Texan is a different variety of Homo sapiens. But the taxonomy of Lophophora is a total mess, with loads of non-existent ´varieties´ being invented and sold. http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34935&p=452194 These were in australlia, still I'm not surprised tho, is there anything to the Lophophora williamsii var pentagona and Lophophora williamsii var pluricostata from what I can tell it's different rib habits but am I likely to get seed that would keep the 5 rib habit, or could it happen to any lw seed? Yeah all lophs start with 5 stable ribs. I wouldn't put any stock in those names though. The second one is just redundant and there is no known origin for pentagona. Really the main question is are they self-fertile or not. According to this link they aren't, but there are so many ifs and buts, grow them and see.. http://www.magicactus.com/lw_pentagona.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Spanishfly Posted October 20, 2015 I read that article - with a LARGE pinch of salt. IMHO var. pentagona has no real validity - the International Cactaceae Systematics Group recognise only two true species of Lophophora with just a handful of taxa. As has been stated all Lophophora williamsii start with just 5 ribs and produce more later - although one of mine has retained its original five to quite a large size - but that is just natural variation that occurs in any species of plant or animal. And all Lophophora williamsii that I have grown have been self fertile. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Señor Corrochio Posted October 30, 2015 Yeah all lophs start with 5 stable ribs. I wouldn't put any stock in those names though. The second one is just redundant and there is no known origin for pentagona. Really the main question is are they self-fertile or not. According to this link they aren't, but there are so many ifs and buts, grow them and see.. http://www.magicactus.com/lw_pentagona.html Taken from "The Biogeography, Ecology, and Taxonomy of Lophophora (Cactaceae)", by Edward F. Anderson (1969): Lophophora williamsii var. pentagona Croizat, Desert Plant Life 16: 44. 1944, was based on a photograph by Y. Wright in Cact. Succ. Jour. 3: 55. 1931, titled "Anhalonium sp. undetermined.'' It is an illustration of a young 5-ribbed plant that commonly occurs in populations having plants with branches bearing 7-14 ribs. Rib number alone is an insufficient basis for establishing a separate taxon. Lophophora williamsii var. pluricostata Croizat, Desert Plant Life 16: 9. 1944, was proposed because Croizat believed specimens of peyote having 13 ribs and forming clusters were worthy of separate taxonomic rank. He offered as a type an illus- tration by Schultes in Cact. Succ. Jour. 12: 178. fig. 1. 1940. As stated earlier, rib number is highly variable, depending on the age and health of the plant. More- over, clusters of heads are also common, especially if the plants have been injured. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hi guys, I received these loph seeds. One is advertised as normal Lophophora williamsii the other is Lophophora williamsii texinsis. Is there differing sizes with these seeds? Or is one a different thing?
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