gomaos Posted June 5, 2001 I've got some salvia to swap. What I have is: 1 3,5 g packet of Salvia 5x from SAB, unopened (maybe 3 months old, stored in a cool dark jar, should be perfectly allright0 some SAB Salvia leaf, and at least 100 g homegrown Salvia leaf, dried, but not processed any further. Anyone interested for swapping? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PoppymaN Posted June 5, 2001 Yeah! I got heaps of Papaver Somniferum seeds. I f interested please state your varieties. Laterz, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest unified Posted June 22, 2001 Ive got, Syrian Rue, Yohimbe, Ephedra,Lobelia inlata (Indian Tabacco), and some B.Caapi but thats not for trade. Would like 3g of the Salvia 5x. How About; 20grams SR 20grams Yohimbe 20grams Ephedra Sinicas 5grams of Lobelia inlata. How did you homegrown S.D go, was it potent ? How did it rate vs SAB's ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted July 2, 2001 Sorry to take so long to answer, but I've been quite busy lately. Yeah- I've sent everything to Poppyman, and haven't heard from him since. Needless to say, I haven't received anything back yet. To your questions: All your stuff seems very interesting, I'd be interested in buying it, since I haven't got anything left to swap (just email me) And the homegrown salvia d...I tried chewing it but couldn't keep it in my mouth long enough, tasted to gross...But I got a little efeect... Isuppose I won't be much different from SAB's leaf...why should it, it's from SAB cuttings, and I give them all the care I can.. The plants are getting new leaves now... Sorry again for taking so long to answer... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earthalchemist Posted July 2, 2001 the leaf that SAB sells is imported, not harvested from their own plants. there would likely be a qualititative difference. in fact, it has been said that australian-grown salvia is not as active, if not inactive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterdragon Posted July 2, 2001 i just can't be made to understand why the imported is stronger than the domestic. usually imported gear has to be treated and is unlikely to be as fresh, with australias range of climates and conditions (some of which that would mimic salvias homeland) why can't we get our shit together? it's only reasonable that we should be growing stronger than imported for fucks sake. is it a stress issue? drought? ageing? what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Dunkel Posted July 2, 2001 Could it even be the altitude (like in coca) Has anyone found a nice humid/warm highland valley to grow some in? E D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest unified Posted July 2, 2001 ummm, you swapped all that extract for 1 variety of seeds ??? Really ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted July 3, 2001 It wasn't all extract, only 3,5 g. The rest was leaf, partly homegrown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earthalchemist Posted July 3, 2001 i haven't actually verified the difference between homegrown and imported ... i'm as lost as anyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted July 3, 2001 I have verified the difference many times, both as leaf and as extract. The homegrown stuff rarely goes over 20% of good Oaxacan leaf. I believe a warmer climate and lower rainfall will increase potency, as well as harvesting well aged leaves at the end of summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest unified Posted July 3, 2001 What about Hydro or a Glasshouse ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted July 4, 2001 Originally posted by unified:What about Hydro or a Glasshouse ? It introduces new variables. It may work, but would bring us no closer really to determine why the local stuff isn't any good. I think finding the problem would be better than just hitting pot luck so that a reliable supply can be established. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest unified Posted July 5, 2001 but i guess if you were to grow it in a greenhouse you could control those variables that you were talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maddogmorgan Posted July 7, 2001 ok what if you grew indoors or in a greenhouse in an enclosed enviroment that still lets light in with a vaporiser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest vegemite Posted July 12, 2001 Grown under lights will probally yield about only 20% of lums put out by sun (got lum meter and when first purchased the kid in me made me go and test every possible situation I could find) so that one is probally out of the question for increasing potency. However from what I can gather it's not the altitude that increases the potency of coca it's actually the increaase in ultraviolet light spectrum (UV A or UV B, can't remembeer , mmmmhhhh beer, specifics right now) so this being the case greenhouses actually decrease the input of ultraviolet light (passing through glass) so carefull selection of lights in right intensity for inside would be your best chance but I personaly would have doubts about getting any where near the same intensity of ultraviolet light spectrum produced "artificially" compared to naturally. However as with other crops , with continued breeding maybe a strain can be produced that can be successfully grown indoors with excellent results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maddogmorgan Posted July 12, 2001 I heared somewhere if you have half uv light's and half halogen light's you get the full spectrum. I am not sure if it was half halogen though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest vegemite Posted July 12, 2001 You will get the best spectrum from specifically designed horticultural lights with the best lums per watt output. But the point I was making before was that even in a well light room you only come from about 20-33% of light intensity of the great outdoors and that giant globe in the sky. Now referring back to coca, if that is so sensitive that it can tell only a couple of percent difference that there is between the mountains and the plains by responding with a dramatic increase in the psychoactive components then surely the larger decrease of having them under artificial will even further negatively affect these components. One idea that could possibly work though is growing them in a greenhouse with additional artificial lighting to compensate for any light passing through the material of the greenhouse being lost and then make up htat couple of % extra to simulate higher mountain regions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites